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Legislation Still Under the Radar Would Devastate U.S. Gun Ownership Rights
PERSONAL LIBERTY DIGEST ^ | 9-30-09 | Bob Livingston

Posted on 09/30/2009 9:29:20 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark

While high profile issues (snip) are getting front page headlines, (ship) be very wary of stealth legislation slowly working its way through Congress to restrict gun ownership. Passage of either of two bills, HR 45 (also known as Blair-Holt Firearm Licensing and Record Sale Act of 2009) and S 1317, would be a devastating blow to Second Amendment rights.***** HR 45, introduced by Rep. Bobby Rush, would make it illegal to own a gun unless you are fingerprinted and can provide a driver’s license and Social Security number. ***** Additionally under HR 45, a person buying a gun would have to...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: ammendment; assaulton; banglist; donttreadonme; second; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed

1 posted on 09/30/2009 9:29:21 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark
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To: Jo Nuvark
would make it illegal to own a gun unless you are fingerprinted and can provide a driver’s license and Social Security number.

That's already the case in CT in order to get a pistol permit, which is required to purchase a hand gun.

2 posted on 09/30/2009 9:31:25 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: GOPJ; Current Occupant; Baynative; mnehrling; eeevil conservative; Repub4bush; andyk; defconw; ...

SECOND AMENDMENT PIMP PING!


3 posted on 09/30/2009 9:31:42 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I love DavidH’s reply in that column:

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
The first step in gun-control is registration.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
With guns, we are ‘citizens.’
Without them, we are ’subjects’.


4 posted on 09/30/2009 9:34:51 AM PDT by Chattering Class of 58
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To: Jo Nuvark

I don’t own any firearms. Or ammo. No, really, I don’t. Honest.


5 posted on 09/30/2009 9:35:59 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Not this $hit again. HR45 has NO sponsors and is DOA. Worry about the other anti-gun legislation out there. This has been hashed 1,000 times already.
6 posted on 09/30/2009 9:36:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Just shut up about any guns you own. Even if they pass legislation that guns must be registered I will NOT comply.


7 posted on 09/30/2009 9:37:51 AM PDT by jslade (People that are easily offended OFFEND ME!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I share your pain....


8 posted on 09/30/2009 9:39:58 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Go to thomas.loc.gov and look up the bills...
No cosponsors, no action, both items.

might as well be in the ‘dead letter office’


9 posted on 09/30/2009 9:40:00 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Jo Nuvark
H.R.45, the “Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009” is going nowhere. The Dems won’t move this out of committee or even hold any hearings on it this year. This is something they know will put them out of the House in 2010.

It doesn’t hurt to write your Congress Critter and express your opposition to this. But don’t panic. This law is going nowhere right now.

It’s also questionable whether SCOTUS would uphold this law. In light of the Heller decision, I think this bill, if it became law, would face certain constitutional problems in the court.


From the desk of
cc2k:

10 posted on 09/30/2009 9:41:37 AM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: jslade
Meanwhile, in Newark, NJ; Bronx, NY; East Los Angeles, CA;
et. al. street punks will continue to buy, sell, and use to kill, illegal weapons. Only the law abiding citizens of the USA will be subject to these restrictions and limitations.
11 posted on 09/30/2009 9:42:04 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Jo Nuvark

Isn’t Bobby Rush a CONVICTED FELON? Why does he care, he can’t carry a gun anyway. Maybe he just wants to disarm the rest of us so “he” can be safe?


12 posted on 09/30/2009 9:49:10 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (The Patriot's Flag at http://www.thepatriotsflag.com/ - Starbucks or McDonalds)
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To: Psalm 73
I don’t own any firearms. Or ammo. No, really, I don’t. Honest.

Wow. Same as me, FRiend.

I gave all mine away to friends whose names I can't recall now.

13 posted on 09/30/2009 9:51:06 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: TChris

I had all my guns in my boat, the darn thing sank and there went all my guns...to bottom. Don’t recall which lake,or was it a river, could have been the ocean...just don’t recall.


14 posted on 09/30/2009 9:59:33 AM PDT by crowkiller (Crowkller)
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To: Jo Nuvark

bump!


16 posted on 09/30/2009 10:01:13 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Jo Nuvark


17 posted on 09/30/2009 10:03:38 AM PDT by Iron Munro (You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat - Claire Wolfe)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Isn’t Bobby Rush a CONVICTED FELON? Why does he care, he can’t carry a gun anyway. Maybe he just wants to disarm the rest of us so “he” can be safe?””

Since when can a convicted Felon be in Congress???

They cannot vote in elections- How can they be making laws?


18 posted on 09/30/2009 10:05:45 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Read this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2212748/posts


19 posted on 09/30/2009 10:08:08 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (The Patriot's Flag at http://www.thepatriotsflag.com/ - Starbucks or McDonalds)
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To: Chattering Class of 58
"A LITTLE GUN HISTORY The first step in gun-control is registration. In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! With guns, we are ‘citizens.’ Without them, we are ’subjects’."

Bears constant repetition...

20 posted on 09/30/2009 10:19:09 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
Bears constant repetition...
21 posted on 09/30/2009 10:22:14 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Futility: trying to slam a revolving door!)
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To: xcamel

Glad to hear that. Thanks for taking the time to check this out. I’m so tired of the govt trying to take rights away.


22 posted on 09/30/2009 10:25:08 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Sunshine Sister

Love your screen name...


23 posted on 09/30/2009 10:28:21 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

Thanks. I wanted a happy bright screen name. Most days are sunshiny for me and I’m glad. Beats the heck out of being depressed.


24 posted on 09/30/2009 10:40:50 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Jo Nuvark

will never happen....they tried it in Canada...it was a joke of a failure....gun owners falsified records, etc....how stupid can people be? Well...that’s kind of a rhetorical question.


25 posted on 09/30/2009 10:43:55 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Democrat party has always been the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism and surrender)
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To: Chattering Class of 58
With guns, we are ‘citizens.’
Without them, we are ’subjects’.

Pithy, brilliant, true.

26 posted on 09/30/2009 11:50:21 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: crowkiller
I swapped my gun for a bottle of whiskey and some Junior Mints. I mean, who's gonna turn down a Junior Mint? It's chocolate, it's peppermint-- it's *delicious*!

Anyway, I don't who it was, he just disappeared into the night.
27 posted on 09/30/2009 12:12:54 PM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Liberals are terrible at math.)
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To: xcamel
might as well be in the ‘dead letter office’

For the last seven or eight months I've been getting at least one email a week about this bill.

It's dead, Jim!!!

Let's spend bandwidth on stuff that is a real threat!

28 posted on 09/30/2009 12:21:23 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I have a rocket chainsaw.
With a swizzle stick and hello kitty image projector.
What?
Rocket chainsaws don’t exist?
Well, then I don’t have anything of interest.


29 posted on 09/30/2009 1:22:46 PM PDT by Darksheare (Tar is cheap, and feathers are plentiful.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Additionally under HR 45, a person buying a gun would have to undergo both a physical and mental evaluation before making a firearm purchase. It also would require guns be secured from access by children under age 18, and would empower law enforcement officers to come into your home to check compliance

My home is my castle, no one enters without an invite (and you, Jo have a standing invite ;~).

Thanks for the ping!

More reasons to run the Un Constitutional, Un American, Un Documented Alien out of OUR Country!!

Send him to keep that Zapato character company in the Brazil embassy's pokey!

30 posted on 09/30/2009 3:25:37 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Facts are like fried eggs - just give 'em to me hot off the griddle, I'll add my own seasoning.)
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To: 4woodenboats

Love you Boats!!!


31 posted on 09/30/2009 3:32:52 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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