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Losing the Latino Vote [former Bush advisor calls amnesty opponents "extremists"] [hurl]
The Washington Post ^ | 2009-10-07

Posted on 10/07/2009 11:26:33 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

In the Long Run, the GOP Must Be Inclusive.

BY MICHAEL GERSON

Mel Martinez's recent resignation from the U.S. Senate was for personal and family reasons. But the departure of the Republican Party's most visible Hispanic leader crackles with political symbolism.

Martinez does not consider himself disillusioned, but he is "frustrated." "There are lots of Hispanics to the right of you and me on immigration," he told me, "but they think, 'Republicans just don't like us.' " Martinez makes clear that a number of his Senate colleagues were "conservative, but not inflammatory." Other elected Republicans, however, made "pretty divisive use of immigration policy. It is more a matter of tone, of how you talk about immigrants. It has made Hispanics feel unwelcome, unwanted."

In ethnic politics, symbolism matters. And recent Republican signals to Hispanics have often been crudely unwelcoming.

. . . . .

Most elected Republicans bring serious arguments and good motives to the immigration debate. Fewer leaders, however, are willing to confront the extremists in their midst.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; hispandering; hispanicvote; idiot; latinovote; mccain; michaelgerson; moron; pandering; rino; rinoparty; tool
Martinez does not consider himself disillusioned, but he is "frustrated." "There are lots of Hispanics to the right of you and me on immigration," he told me, "but they think, 'Republicans just don't like us.' "

Well, that explains why you endorsed Crist over Rubio, you race-baiting RINO traitor.

1 posted on 10/07/2009 11:26:34 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

pendejo, cabron, martinez, hijo de puta, y so fortho


2 posted on 10/07/2009 11:28:28 AM PDT by tumblindice (President 0 mulls hard choices: soft-serve or hand-dipped)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Well, that explains why you endorsed Crist over Rubio, you race-baiting RINO traitor. “

Aw, C’mon............you can do better than THAT!!


3 posted on 10/07/2009 11:29:39 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m sick of hearing this crap. If standing up for America means “losing the Hispanic vote” then so be it! Good bye and don’t let the door hit you in the ash.


4 posted on 10/07/2009 11:29:44 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Yeah! The GOP really kicked butt in 2008 with that "latino" vote. Gimme a break!

sarc/

5 posted on 10/07/2009 11:30:31 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! We're spending our grandchildren's inheritance!)
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To: rabscuttle385

The GOP can’t win the latino vote under any circumstances! How could they? The latinos are entrenched lefties and please don’t tell me they have family values - they say things like “mia familia” and have no regard whatsoever for things outside of their family.

We conservatives are self-reliant and individualistic, latinos are groupthink and most of the immigrants from latino countries aren’t coming here to become “John Wayne” - they are coming here for the easy living and to get something for nothing. They are tax consumers, not producers.

One final note, and the most important one of all, latinos are only 5-7% of the vote. The GOP can live without the black vote, it can live without the latino vote too.


6 posted on 10/07/2009 11:31:41 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: rabscuttle385
"There are lots of Hispanics to the right of you and me on immigration," he told me, "but they think, 'Republicans just don't like us.' "Most Hispanics vote Dem. They did so even after Reagan signed the one-time amnesty in 1986. The crap about them not being welcome is just that. They just want the Reps to support amnesty, which is what they mean be being welcomed.
7 posted on 10/07/2009 11:35:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rabscuttle385

Missing Words [Ramesh Ponnuru]

Reaching out to Hispanics is very important to Mel Martinez and Michael Gerson. So why can’t Gerson bring himself to mention the words “Marco Rubio” in a column about Martinez’s departure from the seat that Rubio is running for? And why is Martinez opposing Rubio’s candidacy?


8 posted on 10/07/2009 11:38:44 AM PDT by roses of sharon ( Reagan said, "When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.")
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To: rabscuttle385

Thankfully, most of the Latinos in this country are inelgible to vote.


9 posted on 10/07/2009 11:39:01 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: thethirddegree
Thankfully, most of the Latinos in this country are inelgible to vote.

Au contraire! They may be ineligible, but they do vote, in large numbers. Illegal alien Latino votes put Al Franken and Jim Webb in the Senate.

And ACORN was one of the most productive organizations in registering illegal Latinos to vote in Minnesota and Virginia.

10 posted on 10/07/2009 11:43:31 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: thethirddegree
Thankfully, most of the Latinos in this country are inelgible to vote.

Hah....that only slows em down, doesn't stop them, at least not in SoCal.

Just ask B-1 Bob Dornan who got his seat stolen from him by Loretta (Brixey) Sanchez and the illegals who voted in the OC.

BTW "Loretta" dropped her "Brixey" so she could win using Sanchez after she switched form Rep. to Dem.

11 posted on 10/07/2009 11:46:17 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: rabscuttle385
"but they think, 'Republicans just don't like us.' "

Hispanics voted as a bloc for Democrats in 2008 (and 2006) in spite of the fact that a sitting Republican President (Bush) and a Republican Presidential candidate (McCain) were the leading proponents of amnesty and a path to citizenship for 20 million plus illegals.

What more could a Republican do to make these Hispanics happy? This shows the folly and stupidity of people like Martinez, McCain, Graham and their like in the stupidity of pandering to Hispanics. Even if they gave them $10000 cash to vote Republican, they would vote Democrat. It's in their DNA, just like with African Americans.

Republicans would have a better chance educating Hispanics that voting for Democrats would place them into a permanent poverty and welfare class like what happened to the African Americans, who after 70 years of Democrat fealty find their status worse than ever and their family structure destroyed.

12 posted on 10/07/2009 11:54:32 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: thethirddegree
Illegals vote! All they need is a drivers license.

From John Fund's book Stealing Elections: (via PolitickerMD.com)

“Perhaps no piece of legislation in the last generation better captures the ‘incentivizing’ of fraud… than the 1993 National Voter Registration Act…Examiners were under orders not to ask anyone for identification or proof of citizenship.

States also had to permit mail-in voter registrations, which allowed anyone to register without any personal contact with a registrar or election official. Finally, states were limited in pruning ‘dead wood’ - people who had died, moved or been convicted of crimes - from their rolls. … Since its implementation, Motor Voter has worked in one sense: it has fueled an explosion of phantom voters.”

13 posted on 10/07/2009 11:55:51 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: rabscuttle385

What the F**K???

The Republicans ARE inclusive. Wasn’t it Republicans who pushed hard for Amnesty? And despite this, they lost the Hispanic vote anyway.

If there is anyone the Republicans are trying to exclude its conservatives. We’re just not welcome in that party.


14 posted on 10/07/2009 11:59:19 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: rabscuttle385
"but they think, 'Republicans just don't like us.'"

I think that's putting it mildly for many of us.

15 posted on 10/07/2009 12:01:23 PM PDT by RC one
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To: rabscuttle385

Hmmm . . . maybe Republicans should announce they are for “comprehensive reform” or the drunk driving laws, to shore up the Irish vote. Or for repealing anti-organized crime laws, to gain Italian votes. Or for a more lax law on usury, to attract Jewish voters.

See how ugly and awful that sounds? That’s how I hear people who complain that the GOP is “anti-Hispanic” to the extent it fights for enforcement of immigration laws. It basically says that all H9iapanics are criminals, or support criminal activity. it is very, very demeaning - to Hispanics! I know many who are fed up with the pandering and race-baiting from the left, and who want the immigration laws ENFORCED.

But my educated guess is that both parties see a demographic trend and are trying to go after the votes . . . whether or not the country survives in the process.


16 posted on 10/07/2009 12:08:59 PM PDT by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The illegal aliens cum legal citizen are not going to vote for republicans anyways. Why help them? Better to drive them all back from whence they came. Make undocumented presence in this country a felony. Deport them on the first offense and ban them from ever returning for any reason. If they are found a second time, try them and execute them.


17 posted on 10/07/2009 12:18:56 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: rabscuttle385
former Bush advisor?

I thought only O blames everything on Bush.

18 posted on 10/07/2009 12:21:27 PM PDT by anita
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To: BertWheeler

The GOP can and should get the Latino vote. Latinos, like blacks, are socially conservative, prolife and anti gay marriage. I also believe them to be less likely than blacks to just blindly throw their vote to the Dems. The GOP should use the San Joaquin Valley water issue, and social issues to get the hispanic vote the Republican way. Not just pander to them with affirmative action or open borders.


19 posted on 10/07/2009 12:24:38 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Is endorsing illegal activity the only way to attract Hispanics?


20 posted on 10/07/2009 12:38:45 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Martinez does not consider himself disillusioned, but he is "frustrated." "There are lots of Hispanics to the right of you and me on immigration," he told me, "but they think, 'Republicans just don't like us.' "

I'm not Hispanic and I don't think Republicans like me either.

21 posted on 10/07/2009 12:40:06 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: sportutegrl

Nope. Sure, latinos are pro-family but only to their very own extended family. You could be starving in front of the tall wall that surrounds every single home in Mexico and they’d only want you moved somewhere else. Never lift a hand to help.

Sad but true.

And they do start their own businesses and hire only among themselves - it’s good to see enterprise and WE ALL CRAVE Mexican food!!!!! - but they hide their income so as not to pay taxes and they underreport their income SO AS TO RECEIVE EIC and other aids from our taxpaying funds.

There’s a reason heavily latino states (California) see a lot of hospital closures and are heavily indebt - it ain’t an accident.

If you read the article, Sen. Martinez talks and uses the same ethnocentric pabble wabble that one usually hears from the latino working minimum wage - up and down the socio-economic ladder the same language is used.

Hey, maybe in a generation or two some (10%) of latinos will become independent minded but the millions from Mexico every year will drown out that voice and quick.

I’m a fan of Mexico and I like Mexicans but I also accept the truth.


22 posted on 10/07/2009 12:50:52 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: rabscuttle385
It is more a matter of tone, of how you talk about immigrants. It has made Hispanics feel unwelcome, unwanted

well, when all the major networks (including a few commentators on FOX), all the major newspapers, and darn near 90% of elected officials on both sides of the aisle calling those who oppose open borders racist, that gonna happen.

And during the campaign, the media and many "conservative" talk-radio folks would only talk to and give air time to the RINOs.

The only Reagan conservative in the bunch (IMHO), Duncan Hunter, couldn't even get more than token air-time on conservative talk radio, and in the debates, the mods kept giving the mike McPain, Ramney and Julie.

23 posted on 10/07/2009 12:59:51 PM PDT by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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To: BertWheeler
One final note, and the most important one of all, latinos are only 5-7% of the vote. The GOP can live without the black vote, it can live without the latino vote too.

That is correct. I Married a Latina. Their are legitimately conservative latinos that vote Republican, but they are on par with those blacks that do. They are derided within their community and make up a small minority. But as a group they do tend to get active and vote, which makes their influence seem greater than it really is. And the ones I know are vehemently anti- open borders and anti-amnesty. They abhor the attitudes of those that come here illegally.

So there vote is not lost because of the immigration issue. They want the borders enforced.

24 posted on 10/07/2009 1:07:05 PM PDT by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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To: rabscuttle385

btt


25 posted on 10/07/2009 1:40:36 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: oldbill
It's in their DNA, just like with African Americans.

It's in my DNA?

I learn something new everyday!


26 posted on 10/07/2009 4:15:21 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: rdb3

Political DNA, not biological.


27 posted on 10/07/2009 4:17:57 PM PDT by oldbill
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