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The Demise of Another Evolutionary Link: Archaeopteryx Falls From Its Perch
Evolution News & Views ^ | October 26, 2009 | Casey Luskin

Posted on 10/27/2009 8:11:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

The Demise of Another Evolutionary Link: Archaeopteryx Falls From Its Perch

A few days ago we saw Ida fall from her overhyped status as an ancestor of humans. Now some scientists are claiming that Archaeopteryx should lose its status as an ancestor of modern birds. Calling Archaeopteryx an “icon of evolution,” the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) borrows a term from Jonathan Wells while reporting that “[t]he feathered creature called archaeopteryx, easily the world's most famous fossil remains, had been considered the first bird since Charles Darwin's day. When researchers put its celebrity bones under the microscope recently, though, they discovered that this icon of evolution might not have been a bird at all.”

According to the new research, inferences about growth rates made from studies of Archaeopteryx’s ancient fossilized bones show it developed much more slowly than modern birds. While the WSJ is reporting these doubts about Archaeopteryx’s ancestral status as if they were something new, those who follow the intelligent design movement know that such skepticism has been around for quite some time. In his 2000 book Icons of Evolution, Jonathan Wells discussed differences between Archaeopteryx and modern birds and the implications for Archaeopteryx's place as an alleged link between dinosaurs and birds:

But there are too many structural differences between Archaeopteryx and modern birds for the latter to be descendants of the former. In 1985, University of Kansas paleontologist Larry Martin wrote: “Archaopteryx is not ancestral of any group of modern birds.” Instead it is “the earliest known member of a totally extinct group of birds." And in 1996 paleontologist Mark Norell, of the American Museum of Natural History in New York, called Archaeopteryx “a very important fossil,” but added that most paleontologists now believe it is not a direct ancestor of modern birds.

(Jonathan Wells, Icons of Evolution, p. 116 (Regnery, 2000).)Archaeopteryx isn’t the only evolutionary icon losing its claim as the ancestor of birds. In recent months we’ve seen paleontologists increasingly arguing that the entire clade of dinosaurs should no longer be considered ancestral to birds. As the WSJ article states:

There are lingering doubts that birds today are descendants of dinosaurs. Researchers at Oregon State University recently argued that the distinctive anatomy that gives birds the lung capacity needed for flight means it is unlikely that birds descended from dinosaurs like archaeopteryx and its kin. Their findings were published in June in the Journal of Morphology.
As paleontologist John Ruben of Oregon State was quoted saying when his article was published:
But old theories die hard, Ruben said, especially when it comes to some of the most distinctive and romanticized animal species in world history.

"Frankly, there's a lot of museum politics involved in this, a lot of careers committed to a particular point of view even if new scientific evidence raises questions," Ruben said. In some museum displays, he said, the birds-descended-from-dinosaurs evolutionary theory has been portrayed as a largely accepted fact, with an asterisk pointing out in small type that "some scientists disagree."

"Our work at OSU used to be pretty much the only asterisk they were talking about," Ruben said. "But now there are more asterisks all the time. That's part of the process of science."

("Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links," ScienceDaily, June 9, 2009.)While "museum politics" seem to dominate now more than ever when it comes to evolution, it's nice to at least see some of those asterisks getting a little attention in a major media outlet like Wall Street Journal.



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1 posted on 10/27/2009 8:11:34 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

That clinches it! The Earth is only 6000 years old and God must have created the fossils already in place in the rocks.


2 posted on 10/27/2009 8:13:25 AM PDT by AUH2O Repub ( SPalin/Hunter 2012)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Convolution News... yeah right.

Seems they’ve never once looked at the leg of a large bird.

However, they pick more cherries from questionable sources than an entire immigrant labor force.


3 posted on 10/27/2009 8:14:44 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: AUH2O Repub
Your logical thought process seems to be along the lines of "I think the Earth is more than 6000 years old. Therefore, everything the evolutionists say, must be true. QED."

How about addressing the issue that Evolution seems to have a lot of unproven assumptions and involves some very questionable science?

4 posted on 10/27/2009 8:17:41 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

How timely—I was just reading my son a chapter in Dinosaurs of the Land, Sea, and Air about Archaeopteryx.


5 posted on 10/27/2009 8:22:23 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: ClearCase_guy

Weren’t there BC comic strips featuring this fossil? (I love and miss that comic strip oh so dearly...one of the best comic strips ever!)


6 posted on 10/27/2009 8:23:15 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


7 posted on 10/27/2009 8:24:11 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: AUH2O Repub

You embarrass yourself by insinuating the majority of creationists are “young earthers”.

Try defending the pitiful “science” on the evolution side of the debate.


8 posted on 10/27/2009 8:24:12 AM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

On the flip side of that argument,
evolution REQUIRES huge amounts of time.

This is why “b/millions of years” is defended so vehemently.


9 posted on 10/27/2009 8:28:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Ev Reeman

Johnny Hart was a great cartoonist! But actually, his strip did not feature this fossil — “B.C.” was graced with the Apteryx (kiwi), a “wingless bird with hairy feathers” (as he invariably introduced himself).


10 posted on 10/27/2009 8:30:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Be not deceived. G-d is not mocked. Galatians 6:7.
11 posted on 10/27/2009 8:30:54 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who would have thought.......?


12 posted on 10/27/2009 8:36:15 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
When researchers put its celebrity bones under the microscope recently, though, they discovered that this icon of evolution might not have been a bird at all.”

"recently"????

How long has that fossil been around and someone is just getting around to examining it that closely?

Shades of Piltdown Man.

13 posted on 10/27/2009 8:38:01 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AUH2O Repub
That clinches it! The Earth is only 6000 years old and God must have created the fossils already in place in the rocks.

It doesn't *prove* creation, but this discovery sure weakens the evo position and leaves them with a lot less to lean on than before.

14 posted on 10/27/2009 8:39:13 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: G Larry

Try finding any science on the other side.


15 posted on 10/27/2009 8:43:12 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts
Convolution News... yeah right. Seems they’ve never once looked at the leg of a large bird. However, they pick more cherries from questionable sources than an entire immigrant labor force.

Do you have any intelligent comments or observations to make about the article or are you going to just continue to use these threads as a platform for attacking GGG, creationists, and Christians, as per your usual MO?

I've yet to see you actually contribute anything in support of evolution but rather you tip your hand that all you're interested in is tearing down anything you don't like, Christianity in particular, just like the majority of evo supporters on this forum.

16 posted on 10/27/2009 8:44:04 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: FormerRep; G Larry
(Jonathan Wells, Icons of Evolution, p. 116 (Regnery, 2000).)Archaeopteryx isn’t the only evolutionary icon losing its claim as the ancestor of birds. In recent months we’ve seen paleontologists increasingly arguing that the entire clade of dinosaurs should no longer be considered ancestral to birds.

Is this inaccurate?

17 posted on 10/27/2009 8:45:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

OK, sorry, my bad.


18 posted on 10/27/2009 8:56:46 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: metmom

You support postings of junk science to support a fairy tale. What else would expect?

My simple and terse comment was 100% accurate. Sorry you don’t like it.


19 posted on 10/27/2009 8:56:47 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: MrB

“On the flip side of that argument,
evolution REQUIRES huge amounts of time.

This is why “b/millions of years” is defended so vehemently”

You, my friend, have hit the evolutionary nail squarely on the head!
Without those millions of years evolution is dead. UNLESS....the evos find a new, quicker way for evo to happen and trust me they would!


20 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:12 AM PDT by MGBGUN (Freedom is not free.)
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