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It's Alive! End-of-Life Counseling In Health Bill [Government Death Panels Resurrected!]
AP Report ^ | October 29th 2009

Posted on 10/29/2009 9:43:29 PM PDT by Steelfish

It's Alive! End-of-Life Counseling In Health Bill

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR WASHINGTON – It's alive. The Medicare end-of-life planning provision that 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said was tantamount to "death panels" for seniors is staying in the latest Democratic health care bill unveiled Thursday.

The provision allows Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex and painful decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death.

For years, federal laws and policies have encouraged Americans to think ahead about end-of-life decisions, and make their wishes known in advance through living wills and similar legal documents. But when House Democrats proposed this summer to pay doctors for end-of-life counseling, it touched off a wave of suspicion and anger.

Prominent Republicans singled it out as a glaring example of government overreach. Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, at the time a lead negotiator on health care legislation, told constituents at a town hall meeting they had good reason to question the proposal. "I don't have any problem with things like living wills, but they ought to be done within the family," he said. "We should not have a government program that determines you're going to pull the plug on grandma."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bhohealthcare; constitution; cultureofcorruption; deathpanels; dollar; education; elections; government; healthcare; military; obama; obamacare; palin; pelosi; politics; publiceducation; sarahpalin; veterans

1 posted on 10/29/2009 9:43:29 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I never thought the end of life counseling was what Palin was referring to as “death panels”. I thought it was the cost effectiveness studies that determined who could get treatment based on age and current health.

I thought the counseling was just what the Democrats tried to deflect the criticism to.


2 posted on 10/29/2009 9:46:20 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Steelfish

And everyone kept saying “Never Again.” Well, gang, Hitler is back.


3 posted on 10/29/2009 9:46:38 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Steelfish

Amazing how two words have had a lasting impact.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 9:46:51 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A good Blue Dog is an unelected Blue Dog. Ditto Rino's!)
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To: Steelfish
"Old people never seem to die, they just get in the way."

Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative (PELOSI): We can help.

Obamacare in the words of Democrats:

President Obama: At that age just a pill might be better than expensive cures.

Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle has praised Europeans for being more willing to accept "hopeless diagnoses" and "forgo experimental treatments," and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm: Seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way.

When curative care is just too damn expensive.. PELOSI

5 posted on 10/29/2009 9:47:26 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
"And everyone kept saying “Never Again.” Well, gang, Hitler is back."

Those who forget history are doomed to reapeat it.

6 posted on 10/29/2009 9:53:15 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
"Former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm: Seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way."

I hope he gets old and sick. One less turd out of the punch bowel.

7 posted on 10/29/2009 9:55:49 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: DannyTN

You are right. The MSM have reading comprehension problem.
Its more like rationing.


8 posted on 10/29/2009 10:00:13 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: Steelfish

AP??? wwaahhh??

Is this a little blowback for the intimidation attempt with FNC last week??


9 posted on 10/29/2009 10:00:18 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative (PELOSI): We can help.

Lololololol you’ve invented a new one!


10 posted on 10/29/2009 10:01:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: DannyTN

Your right about that. Tom Daschle wanted the fedgov to determine what treatment people got based on cost and not on whether it worked.


11 posted on 10/29/2009 10:01:19 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: DannyTN
I never thought the end of life counseling was what Palin was referring to as “death panels”. I thought it was the cost effectiveness studies that determined who could get treatment based on age and current health.

I thought so too. People who think Obama would not do such should remember, he voted twice to throw babies into closets to die.

12 posted on 10/29/2009 10:09:23 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Well, gang, Hitler is back.

He's not only back, but he has a dedicated bunch of henchmen (known as czars), ready to serve at his command. There will be deaths of loved ones (and potentially ourselves) long before those deaths should have occurred. Of course, the democrats who so casually dismiss our loved ones as not worthy of further medical treatment in a move to save money (dispatching them by not treating them or withholding nourishment) will not have their beloved family members subject to the same heartless and frugal dictates. This is just diabolically evil.

13 posted on 10/29/2009 10:09:58 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

President O. B. Noxious only wants to preside over “viable” human life... That excludes those who cannot walk, speak, feed themselves, clothe themselves, perform personal hygene in either the first four years, or the last four years of human life!!!


14 posted on 10/29/2009 10:22:25 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Homeland Defense" begins at HOME!!! He who hesitates, is LOST!!!)
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To: DannyTN

That would be too complicated for the peoens to understand!


15 posted on 10/29/2009 10:28:06 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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