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N.J. Court Says Americans Have No Right To Buy Handguns
CBS ^ | 10/28/2009 | CBS

Posted on 11/05/2009 9:03:07 AM PST by mikelets456

A New Jersey appeals court has concluded that Americans have no Second Amendment right to buy a handgun.

In a case decided last week, the superior court upheld a state law saying that nobody may possess "any handgun" without obtaining law enforcement approval and permission in advance.

That outcome might seem like something of a surprise, especially after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year in the D.C. v. Heller case that the Second Amendment guarantees "the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation."

But New Jersey Appellate Division Judge Stephen Skillman wrote on behalf of a unanimous three-judge panel that Heller "has no impact upon the constitutionality of" the state law.

That's because, Skillman said, the Supreme Court did not strike down the District of Columbia's de facto handgun ban but instead simply ordered the city to issue a permit. In other words, while Americans may have the right in general to possess arms, the exact contours of that right have not been mapped, especially as the Second Amendment applies to state laws. (The court's majority opinion last year said: "We therefore assume that petitioners' issuance of a license will satisfy respondent's prayer for relief and do not address the licensing requirement.")

Look for the Supreme Court to revisit this question in a few months when it hears a case called McDonald v. Chicago. It's a constitutional challenge to Chicago's restrictive gun laws, which prohibit anyone from possessing firearms -- even in their homes -- "unless such person is the holder of a valid registration certificate for such firearm."

New Jersey's laws are similar. They say: ......

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; handgun; laws; nj
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New Jersey Brain Trust / 2A ping


21 posted on 11/05/2009 9:18:15 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: mikelets456
The Supreme Court will sigh, roll their eyes, and strike it down.

Again.

22 posted on 11/05/2009 9:18:29 AM PST by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: mikelets456
The Big Wee Wee's only accomplishment to date.

I fearlessly predict the Feds will have a difficult time enforcing any SCOTUS
ruling which tries to limit the Wee Wee in this regard.

23 posted on 11/05/2009 9:18:45 AM PST by Zakeet (Central Park Zoo vs. White House -- one has an African Lion -- other has a lyin' African)
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To: mikelets456

I guess the people would have to rent or borrow them when they need to keep and bear them.


24 posted on 11/05/2009 9:20:09 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: mikelets456

So if NJ wanted to ban a church or a newspaper, that would be permissible?


25 posted on 11/05/2009 9:21:13 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Jerrybob

Those European courts do not recognize God Given Rights because they do not believe in God.

The joke is going to be on those fools.


26 posted on 11/05/2009 9:22:44 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: mikelets456

Then the NJ court has NO right to be a court.

When the judiciary of this country STEALS the foundational rights of the citizens AND the politicians DON’T do anything to IMPEACH those judges, then that court needs to be stopped by the citizens. Period. Our foundational documents prescribe this just solution.


27 posted on 11/05/2009 9:23:31 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: VR-21

28 posted on 11/05/2009 9:23:59 AM PST by libh8er
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To: kellynla

ping


29 posted on 11/05/2009 9:24:31 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Sgt_Schultze

The 1st Amendment has been incorporated against the states. They cannot ban a church or a newspaper in violation of the 1st Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment has not been incorporated against the states. States can regulate ownership as guns how they see fit. Only the Federal government has to comply with the 2nd Amendment.

A case to incorporate the 2nd Amendment against the states is on the Supreme Court docket this term.


30 posted on 11/05/2009 9:27:06 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: TurtleUp

*If “shall not be infringed” isn’t clear enough, it’s because they are trying to misunderstand the law of the land.*

You give them to much credit. They aren’t trying to MISunderstand the law of the land.

They are trying to DESTROY this land. Our country.

I will NO longer give them the benefit of the doubt.
They don’t deserve it.


31 posted on 11/05/2009 9:29:00 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: neverdem

x


32 posted on 11/05/2009 9:30:25 AM PST by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Maverick68

The key here is not the 2nd amendment, but the 14th. No state govt may deprive a citizen of the US of any right without due process, meaning a trial for a crime not an act of a legislature.


33 posted on 11/05/2009 9:32:24 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: mikelets456

Liberal Fascism in all it’s glory.


34 posted on 11/05/2009 9:34:28 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: mikelets456

if you need a permit, you have no rights.


35 posted on 11/05/2009 9:40:13 AM PST by sten
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To: mikelets456

The ruling lays bare the dimoKKKRAT agenda on gun control. This may be good in that it exposes the dimoKKKRAT’s for what they are.


36 posted on 11/05/2009 9:45:09 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Logical me

They should be.


37 posted on 11/05/2009 9:47:00 AM PST by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: Maverick68
Being behind enemy lines here in the People's Republic of NJ, I am reminded of this quote:

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."
-Robert A. Heinlein
38 posted on 11/05/2009 9:47:54 AM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: mikelets456

dontcha just love how, at least according to see bs, a new jersey appellate court can rule on a federal issue?


39 posted on 11/05/2009 9:51:58 AM PST by sig226 (My President was President of the week at the Norwegian Slough Academy.)
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To: Mr. Blonde

I thought the 14th amendment was the empowering force that impelled incorporation upon the States.


40 posted on 11/05/2009 9:56:43 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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