Posted on 11/07/2009 9:35:32 AM PST by pillut48
The House tries to pass Obamacare in a big hurry, breaking how many Constitutional rules/regulations??
FOX news coverage can be seen online at http://www.blinkotv.com/ (select "HD Test")
I do. And I’m not altogether thrilled considering the bailout and the illegal alien scam.
But not long ago I said we all would so I feel okay about that.
That’s 25
I wonder who has been designated to get it up to the 41st vote and then lay down their career for Pelosi?
(need 41 No’s if Pubbies indeed vote as a block...as promised)
What exactly is going on here... 40 dems voted NO?
LOL, that’s an insult to Visitors EVERYWHERE.
So is the vote still on for 6 p.m.? And is it true that the Dems have the votes?
On the “abortion agreement”, which Democrats have crafted, the Washington Post writes:
“Under the agreement, anti-abortion Democrats will be permitted to offer an amendment on the House floor to the health-care overhaul bill. The amendment would prohibit a new government-run insurance plan created by the health-care bill from offering to cover abortion services, congressional sources said. It also would block people who received federal subsidies for the purchase of health insurance from buying policies that offered coverage for abortions. “
If the amendment does as WaPo claims, could it pass? I don’t think it will. When does not pass, remember that you will have RATs who claim they are “pro-life” who will tell voters they “supported” the “pro-life” amendment before they voted to give federal dollars for abortion.
Those RATs, who vote for federal funding for abortion after they vote against it, are lying to you if they say they are “pro-life”. They vote to force Americans to pay for abortions. I think of a sign at Michele Bachmann’s “House Call” this week.
“Abortion is not health care!”
I don’t understand the point of voting on this amendment, which I think would have to be pulled out of the final bill to get liberal votes. It won’t fly politically next year to say they voted against abortion funding before they voted for it. It’s really hard to follow all these political manipulations in Washington. If the bill loses, that’s great, and if it passes then we have to wrap if around the democrats’ necks in the 2010 campaign and use it to help us recapture the House.
The looting of America begins.
The end has begun.
You mean you don’t want to listen to the Screecher of the House?
Post 31 says 25
Chris Murphy D-CT is making me puke (he’s on CSpan)...kids are falling asleep in their beds sick because America sucks (I paraphrase)
There are no conservative Democrats. Just ones scared of re-election.
I remember quite clearly many talk radio hosts breaking with President Bush on a number of occasions. Amnesty for one.
If the public option is included in a bill signed by Obama, that will be the first step towards a complete government takeover of our health care system. If that takeover happens, you’ll see the following results caused by basic economics and Washington politics:
1) If health care becomes free or almost free for everyone because of tax-payer funded government subsidies, then demand for health care services will increase greatly. More people will show up at doctors’ offices with a minor backache or a slight sore throat or just because they’re lonely and they need to get out of the house and talk to someone today. The health care system will quickly become overloaded with people seeking nearly-free health care, and the cost of the government-run health care system will explode to a cost way above all forecasts by the White House and the CBO. (It’s called a demand curve in economics. Do you remember that from Econ 1, Ms. Pelosi?)
2) As the costs explode way beyond all forecasts, just as the cost of medicare has done, congress will be forced to control those costs in some way, and the path of least resistance politically is to attack the health care professionals and owners of facilities for “greed and excessive compensation.” Congress would then cut reimbursements for doctors’ fees and facilities costs, instead of requiring patients to pay more for each visit to Gubmint-run health offices. This would result in lower incomes for doctors and nurses, which cuts the financial incentive for staying in the medical profession and would push many doctors and nurses into early retirement or cause them to quit the medical profession forever. Why be a doctor if your income is limited to $100K for a GP and $200K for a specialist if you can go get an MBA and become a hedge fund manager and make $5 million per year? Why put up with lawyers suing you for malpractice just to make $200K? It might make more sense to join the other side and become a lawyer who makes $2 million a year suing corporations for product liability or patent violations. The end result would be that some of the most talented physicians would quit the profession and the brightest college students would be much less likely to choose medicine as a career and instead would go into business and law and become corporate entrepreneurs. The end result of greater demand for medical services and lower pay for doctors would be a drain of people and talent out of the medical profession, shortages of doctors, somewhat less competent physicians, rationing of health care, long wait times for surgeries and specialty procedures, and ultimately many thousands of unnecessary deaths among the American people and much unnecessary suffering.
So in the end, this is killer legislation that would kill thousands of people, all because Pelosi and other socialists are perturbed by the “immoral profits” made by health insurance companies. She actually did use the term “immoral profits” made by health insurance companies. (Does Pelosi think all corporate profits are immoral? I think that’s likely, which puts her right in there with Lenin politically.)
This is basic economics, and this exact scenario has already happened in Britain and Canada. You just don’t hear much about the end results because these results are covered up by the left-leaning mainstream news media (just as they’ve covered up most of the ongoing horror show in Cuba for fifty years.) We need to hold the line here and stop this public option to save our health care system and save thousands of lives at the same time.
They should all be scared.
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