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Posted on 11/08/2009 9:26:47 AM PST by An Old Man
The U.S. Army's top general expressed concern on Sunday that last week's mass shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, blamed on a Muslim Army officer, could fuel a backlash in the military against Muslim troops.
General George Casey, U.S. Army chief of staff, cautioned against jumping to conclusions about whether religious beliefs motivated the accused gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim born in the United States of immigrant parents.
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"I'm concerned that this increased speculation could cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers. And I've asked our Army leaders to be on the lookout for that," Casey told CNN's "State of the Union."
There are about 3,000 Muslims on active duty military service or in the National Guard or reserve forces, Casey said. They remain a small minority within the U.S. military.
A Fort Hood official has said Hasan yelled "Allahu Akbar" -- Arabic for "God is Greatest" -- just before the shooting in which 13 people were killed and 30 wounded. The 39-year-old U.S. Army psychiatrist was shot four times by police. He was hospitalized but no longer needed a ventilator to breathe.
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Those among us who are a danger to society need to be removed. We do that to Japanese Americans during the Second World War. We do it to Murderers and other who commit crimes against society. We even do it to people who water their yards on the wrong day. So, what is the solution for the Muslims?
The only enemy that will come out of this slaughter is a condemnation of conservatives who are seen as "too hard" on Muslims...
When Moslems take the oath to defend the US - they go against their beliefs...because Islam does not allow one to be loyal to a nation - only the so called messenger.
Therefore, since they do take it - it means nothing to them - it’s a lie - no more no less.
Should they be banned from serving?...should we forget about the other Moslem soldier who rolled a hand grenade into a tent of officers in Kuwait right before the launch of Iraqi Freedom in 2003?
I'd say General Discharge from the military and immediate deportation of any Muslim in this country not natively born here. For those, I'd put under surveillance round the clock.
BUT, we all know this is the farthest thing from the minds of the caring, feeling liberal bleeding hearts who now control this country. I'd say they're much much farther down on the list, far behind conservatives and Christians if you as me.
So he'll be addressing all muslim U.S. soldiers and giving them the following message: "You are hereby ordeed to refrain from shooting your fellow U.S. soldiers. If you do not follow this order, their may occur a backlash, and that backlash may be targeted at yourselves."
Who remembers NYC mayor David N. Dinkins, the Crown Heights riots, and "let the crowd vent their rage."
Ya think any American Nazis would have trouble in our army of the 1940’s?
After all, they’re only the ENEMY who are TRYING TO KILL US ALL!
What could be the harm?
What!?! I think we should fear a muslim backlash on ordinary citizens. When will we address those concerns?
Maybe the Army should have been worried about the dangers imposed by Islamist soldiers on Non-Muslim troops.
Can the army be sued for negligence and wrongful death?
If they knew what this guy was about and they didn’t do anything that would be the height of irresponsibility. It would be comparable to have a known child predator teaching kindergarten!
How many Muzzies have been harmed in any backlash? In the same period, how many Americans have been harmed by Muslims? Casey needs to go.
I’m more concerned about the lives of the service men and women.
The general’s time would be better spent reviewing the “doctor’s” the patients. He was in the perfect position to find disgruntled Muslim soldiers, and potential converts and push them towards radical Islam. Security should be checking to see if any began attending radical mosques, browsing Islamic message boards, etc. after being “treated”.
I have yet to hear anyone in the media, even talk radio make this point.
The Army Chief really needs to come out and stand with his troops and demand the discharge of all practicing Muslims.
We do not need practicing Muslims in our ranks, the same as we don’t allow gays to be in the military. Just say thanks but no thanks. (this way the left gets what they want, we treat sexuality the same as religion)
I am really glad I am no longer in the military because I could not handle this crap from my superiors.
It was not "blamed" on a Muslim, it was committed by a Muslim. Any backlash will be against Muslims voicing anti-American sentiments. Why? Because we are at war. This all has gotten beyond the sublime to the ridiculous.
I do not know Old Man.
From one old man to another though I’m about fed up with muslims killing Westerners and nothing being done about the root cause.
The Saudi’s financing these mosques that preach hate.
Homeland chief warns against anti-Muslim backlash
Hussein has given his orders....protect Muslims and terrorists....DO NOT PROTECT AMERICANS.
As well he should.
I have almost zero likelihood of serving in future combat or any other compulsory military service, but --- if I did, I would refuse to serve with or near any muslim in any capacity.
And I would advise any son, daughter, relative or friend to do the same.
They better start building more stockades.
Come to think of it, they better start building more civilian jails, too. No number of laws of any sort can force me to "like" or even tolerate any identifiable group who has either regularly vowed to kill me and my loved ones, to change my culture or to indoctrinate my children.
But that's just me.
How many scores of insiders in the US Army are in on this?
.. Abledanger ignored
terrorist receives training from same Imam that trained 911 terrorists. ... check
FBI informed of Hasan. They did nothing. .... check
terrorist worked for DHS. Tip-of-iceberg-Alert ... check
terrorist showed signs for YEARS at the Army. Everyone laughed, did nothing ... check
terrorist gives medical lectures in the Army on beheading Jews and Christians. Everyone laughed, high fives him ... check
terrorist continuestraining from same Imam that trained 911 terrorists. ... check
terrorist told everyone what was coming. They did nothing but cheer... check
terrorist obtained penetrating bullets. Flight school, sir? ... check
terrorist determined locus of maximum humanity. Handy access to Everything. ... check
terrorist poisons whatever vaccines, meds of dhimmis he can Smiles to himself. ... check
terrorist gave away Koran and said goodbye. Party at whorehouse. ... check
terrorist poses with others embedded and elsewhere. Pictures taken ... check
terrorist used Army connections to enter locus. Everyone smiled . ... check
terrorist screamed "Allah is great" ... check
terrorist murders at least 14 in cold blood ... check
US Coverup Begins. Target: Conservatives, real reporters, Anyone demanding answers.
Islamism and Christian Identity.
Islamists believe in dominance of their god by violence if necessary. Ditto CI; to wit, "We are going to build the Kingdom of our God on this continent if we have to turn it into a Bosnia first! Death may find you [anywhere] you worship your devil god."
Christians do not wait until a Christian Identity follower commits a violent act. Christians repeatedly denounce and shun CI.
Why do American Muslims wait until an Islamist murders? Then it's "the event was horrible, don't pick on Muslims, let us teach you about Islam." Learn about Islam from American or Arab Muslims? No thanks!
Yeah General, when you have a radical Mooselip threatening Jihad you should just look the other way. I suppose you are giving this dirtbag special diet and Koran readings. You don’t want him to feel bad about himself after killing 16 of your troops.
General, you have their blood on your hands.
Pray for America and Ft Hood
In two of your examples, people are removed from society or penalized for something they did. In the third case, the Japanese-Americans, they were removed from society merely for who they were. Are you suggesting the same for Muslims?
I don’t believe any ‘church’ or ‘mosque’ leaders should be advocating violence from the pulpit (or in any other manor). If Muslim leaders are preaching about what violent things need to be done to the infidels, then the Mosque should be closed. At the very least, the leader trying to incite should be charged with incitement and placed in prison.
I have some pretty strong thoughts on this, but I find myself having to modify the thoughts based on the fact that we more wigged out people than Muslims doing some of this stuff.
One day a Muslim causes death and mayhem at Fort Hood in Texas, the next a White guy in Florida. One of our largest terrorist attacks on U.S. soil was committed by White Guys.
I believe we put an end to the incitement and then handle criminals in the same manner we always have.
I have also said that it is just plain nuts to allow people to immigrate to the U.S. who have been raised their entire lives to hate the U.S. I still believe that to be a very valid concern, and that at least during the conduct of war in the region, we must rethink our immigration policies from that region.
No matter what our leaders think, some people around the world think we are at war with Islam. The time for being an Ostrich is over.
There SHOULD be a backlash, especially with all of these Muslim groups now yammering about how Major Jihad was justified in his actions.
If you are a Muslim in this country and you support the mass murder of Americans, you should not expect a pat on the head and a “there, there”. You should not expect tolerance or understanding. And you should not expect to keep pulling a paycheck from the US military.
If Muslim soldiers in the US military are attending mosques preaching destruction of the infidels, then they need to be bounced the hell out. Keeping them ensures that tragedy will indeed happen again. And again. And again.
Or, the military needs to change its policy and allow soldiers to carry weapons freely.
Perhaps Muslims in the Military and in America society will do something to waylay any fears the rest of us have, such as outing those in their midsts who express anti-American sentiments, Imams who preach hatred of America on American soil, something besides hollow statements of they are “peaceful?”
Perhaps they will openly condemn Sharia and begin helping end terror acts in greater numbers than we barely see today.
With three decades of Jihadism how can they expect people not to be nervous?
It is up to the Muslim community as a whole to stand up to those from their numbers who cause the problems, not to protect them from within.
Good, he should. I am sick of Muslims.
Should we also forget about the 8 or 9 Muslim soldiers like this one?
Most were relocated and some were interned, if I recall -- though I was way too young to actually remember the event.
Those relocated were done so in part for their protection.
Hassan was born here.
When more people in the United States have had family members and friends murdered just because they were American (like the Israelis), perhaps more people in the United States will be willing to stand up and say, "Look, they may be, individually, very nice people but as a culture and as a religion, they are dangerous. I want NOTHING more to do with them. I will not buy anything from them. I will intereact with them ONLY to the extent that I am required to by law BUT I WILL NOT BE FRIENDS WITH THEM!!!" ONLY THEN WILL THINGS BEGIN TO CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY.
I don't know the answer either. I was just attempting to probe the depth of the waters.
Stay well and stay safe.
An Old Man
Potential Muslim violence against the troops = ignore, stick head in sand, hope somebody else can deal with it, try not to get blamed for anything
Potential troop violence against Muslims = code red, prepare the stockades, etc.
They damn sure will be watching their backs.
You are a lucky man, if I were in charge your resignation would have been on my desk already. Your job general is to protect the troops, a job you have completely failed at.
And the problem with that would be?
If they do keep them in, then they should be in unimportant roles, and they should be followed and tracked.
That's what I have heard also. Do you believe it?
There is a pattern that the Army apparently refuses to acknowledge.
And until they do, this pattern will continue.
With more soldiers paying the price.
This is just from 2003.
” A small number of U.S. troops were injured Sunday when an unidentified man drove a pickup into a crowd waiting to shop at the field exchange at Camp Udairi.”
” On Jan. 21, Islamic extremists were blamed for killing a San Diego computer contractor and injuring another American close to Camp Doha, where U.S. forces are based.”
” A Kuwaiti policeman faces trial on charges of shooting and seriously wounding two U.S. soldiers on Nov. 21 after allegedly stopping their car on a highway.”
” In October, Muslim fundamentalists killed one U.S. Marine and injured another on a Kuwaiti island. Other Marines killed the gunmen, who were religious extremists.”
Besides the Muslim plot to kill soldiers at Ft Dix,
the shooting at the Little Rock recruitment center,
the Ft Hood murders and Sgt. Asan Akbar killing one and wounding 15 of the 101st Airborne in Kuwait.
In an unusual coincidence to Hasan ...Sgt Akbar’s mother in 2003 told reporters, without corroboration , that her son was picked on
“ because he was a Muslim .”
And in yet another coincidence to Hasan -
in 2003 the military said Sgt. Asan Akbar was “ recently reprimanded for insubordination “
Akbar had also been having “an attitude problem.”
The motive in the attack “most likely was resentment,”
said Max Blumenfeld, another U.S. Army spokesman.
he Hasan Akbar case covers an event in the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, where US Army sergeant Hasan Karim Akbar (born Mark Fidel Kools in Watts, Los Angeles, California) was convicted for the double-murder, or “fragging”, of two officers of the 327th Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division.
The victims were Army Captain Christopher Seifert and Air Force Major Gregory Stone. Fourteen other soldiers were also wounded in the incident, which took place on 23 March 2003. The sentence of death, affirmed by the commander of the 18th Airborne Corps, is due to be heard[when?] by the Army Court of Criminal Appeals under an automatic appeal.
Military officials attributed Akbar’s motive to resentment. In a diary entry dated 4 February 2003, Akbar referred to mistreatment by his fellow soldiers:
I suppose they want to punk me or just humiliate me. Perhaps they feel that I will not do anything about that. They are right about that. I am not going to do anything about it as long as I stay here. But as soon as I am in Iraq, I am going to try and kill as many of them as possible.
Akbar wrote prior to the attack “I may not have killed any Muslims, but being in the Army is the same thing. I may have to make a choice very soon on who to kill.”
Prosecutors alleged that his diary entries and his actions (stealing hand grenades and turning off the generator that lit the camp) showed that the attack was premeditated.
Akbar’s mother, Quran Bilal, did tell reporters that she believed intolerance for his race and his Muslim faith created tensions within his unit as it prepared to invade a Muslim country. Akbar’s father has said that his son was the only African American and only Muslim in his company, the other members of which subjected him to constant harassment.
Akbar himself reportedly said, just moments after his arrest, “You guys are coming into our countries, and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”
I know, but the immediate discharge part would hold, as well as round-the-clock surveillance part. Basically, if you’re affected with the Islam disease, you need to be watched, period. Some more than others.
The Army may have possessed compelling evidence this person posed a security risk, but downplayed it.
If he advocated doing violence to infidels — as he appears to have, to colleagues and patient(s) — the shooter should have been confined, and given no access to massed troops.
Maybe what we need is more “backlash” and fewer group hugs.
You are correct. And I love your screen name. How many radicals or dormant cells who have been lying in wait are now ready to crawl out from under their rock to do us harm? Wasn't some other jihadist recently picked up for plotting to shoot inncoent shoppers at a mall? What happened at Fort Hood was straight up Islamic terrorism. And no official or politician is going to convince me otherwise. I was in the city on 9/11 and my heart goes out to the people at Ft. Hood. Unfortunately, all of this has brought my inner anger out. This administration is failing to protect the citizens. It's just a matter of time until the next attack. And what happens then? Bring on the analysts...... that's the playbook.
As always, an excellent reply. Thanks for responding.
Nuts are nuts, it does not make any difference where they were born, put them in the chair and throw the switch. Roasted nut, end of that nuts problem.
Level the place, and turn the property into a pig farm.
“Army chief fears backlash for Muslim U.S. soldiers”
Army chief should fear Muslim U.S. soldiers
This is what the Army’s top general sits around and publicly frets about?
Good lord...makes me sick to my stomach how far a great nation could fall so fast over catering to every minority whim that strikes a damned fancy.