Posted on 11/13/2009 4:34:36 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
U.S. F-22s versus Chinese F-35s
Posted by David A. Fulghum at 11/12/2009 2:25 PM CST
A new Chinese fighter with stealth and supercruise is in development and may soon make its first flight with predictions of operational fielding by 2017-19, says PLA Air Force deputy chief, Gen. He Weirong.
The new Chinese fighter aircraft could come from Avic Defense’s Chengdu facility, which developed China’s latest J-10 fighter, or from Shenyang. He says the PLAAF will emphasize development of reconnaissance/early warning; strike; strategic airlift, and air and missile defense. The J-10 began large-scale service in 2006.
While replicating the F-22 seems unlikely, aerospace officials with insight into the stealth fighter programs contend that building an F-35-like aircraft (with larger signature and less aerodynamic performance than the F-22) could be a threat to the U.S. if they are built in large numbers.
“Even 4th generation fighters, when pitted in large numbers against 187 F-22s, will eventually wear [the stealth fighters] down,” an aerospace industry official says. “They only carry eight air-to-air missiles. They don’t have to match Raptor capabilities if they build an advanced fighter in F-35 numbers.”
But many remain unconvinced about China’s timelines for an advanced design.
“But we’ve yet to see a real organic design [emerge] from China. So far they’ve leveraged Russian or Israeli technology. They don’t have a lot of radar engineering capability, nor experience in integrating a complete structure.”
Those are two big obstacles.
“You can paste on some [signature-lowering] capabilities but changing a very large target to a large target doesn’t buy you too much operational advantage,” the Air Force official says. “You need very small stealth signature numbers.”
The F-22 met a -40dBsm all-aspect requirement while the F-35 came in at -30dBsm with some gaps in coverage.
“You need a combination of the right shape, structural design, surface coatings, aerodynamic performance and flight control system designs,” the Air Force official says. “It’s not magic, but there’s still a lot of art in it.”
The idea that the J-10 will serve as a technological springboard is considered unlikely.
“I believe the Chinese have a difficult road if their design is tied to the J-10,” he says. “As you know, significantly reduced signature requires more then coatings. The J-10 has many features which may produce the desired aerodynamic effects but would be a negative for signature reduction. I am sure they can somewhat reduce the signature with a few design tweaks and coatings but the operational relevance would be questionable.
“They can certainly refine their composite structure competency – Boeing’s been helping them with that through the commercial airliner programs – and basic [stealth] coatings are widely known and available,” the Air Force official says. “The milestone will be when we see more refined shaping.”
Gee, I wonder which DemonRAT TRAITOR sold the ChiComs the specs for Stealth and other advanced technologies?
I hope it’s better than chinese toothpaste.
No need to sell it, they were being paid to be on the team. A prominent engineer for the B2 was a chinese spy.
We have aircraft superior to even the F-22 that is still in development but operational, I’m not joking and I’m also not saying a damm thing more about this.
“I hope it’s better than chinese toothpaste.”
Not if we have to fight them. I hope it falls apart in the air.
Still in development but operational? Was that a misstatement or do we have a test aircraft out there doing operational missions?
For a long time South Africa was great at taking a design and recreating it but the Chinese excell at this. It’s a mistake to sell them short.
Any sketches of pix of this fighter available?
The Japanese Zero was a nasty surprise 68 years ago. It would be unwise to assume the Chinese incapable of building a surprisingly good fighter, too.
Alot of the other things the Chinese build is EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD.
Note to all: Germany had technical superiority over American planes and tanks in WW II.
Only American superiority in numbers made victory possible.
Thanks to traitors in both parties, we are now well down the path to repeating the German doctrine.
To expect different results from repetitive behavior is a definition of insanity.
To borrow a phrase from the Germans, “Traitors Raus!”
Maybe they will loan us more $$ so we can build a better one, and free health care too.
Translation: A pig with lipstick on it is still a pig.
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Too late, and being as I am your supervisor on this project, you are FIRED.
By 44 we had technical and numerical. Our industrial base will never be able to output like ww2 again.
“A new Chinese fighter with stealth and supercruise is in development and may soon make its first flight.”
The first F-35 (Chinese F-35)hasn’t even f;own yet.
TC
What we do have in abundances is the joystick Xbox generation.
The future of dogfighting will most likely not have pilots in the aircraft. An aircraft with a human pilot is limited in its G factors, an unmanned aircraft can be more maneuverable and expendable.
“A new Chinese fighter with stealth and supercruise is in development and may soon make its first flight with predictions of operational fielding by 2017-19..........”
Compliments of Bill & Hillary!!!!
Better than the F-22 at what, being a fighter? I hope you’re right, but I think we would have heard about it.
Does the Chinese military have enough strength of diversity to be a threat to us?
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