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Report: Patrick Kennedy barred from communion by bishop
The Boston Herald ^ | 10/22//2009

Posted on 11/22/2009 3:46:19 AM PST by Andy'smom

PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rep. Patrick Kennedy says Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin has barred him from receiving communion because of his support of abortion rights.

The Providence Journal reports on its Web site Sunday that Kennedy said in an interview that Tobin issued the order during discussions with the Democratic lawmaker, further escalating a simmering ideological dispute between the two men.

Under church rules, Tobin can prevent Kennedy from receiving communion within his diocese, which covers Rhode Island. It’s unclear whether bishops outside Rhode Island will take the same path.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicpoliticians; keepowt; kennedy; patches; patrickkennedy; proaborts

1 posted on 11/22/2009 3:46:22 AM PST by Andy'smom
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To: Andy'smom
Finally a Catholic Bishop with something of guts there.
2 posted on 11/22/2009 3:51:59 AM PST by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: Andy'smom

Okay....its reasonable for the Bishop to do this according to the tenets of the faith. But it seems a bit hypocritical as Patrick’s father, Ted, held these positions in congress:

* Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
* Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
* Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
* Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
* Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
* Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
* Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
* Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
* Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
* Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
* Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
* Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
* Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)

Not only the Church presided over a Whopping Funeral Mass to send this reprobate to heaven.


3 posted on 11/22/2009 3:54:00 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Andy'smom

4 posted on 11/22/2009 3:55:58 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Andy'smom

Thank you Bishop Tobin.


5 posted on 11/22/2009 3:56:40 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Andy'smom

That’s nice, but there is little that can be done when he goes to a liberal heretic who calls himself a catholic and feels like giving this jerk communion because the catholic church is loathe to discipline its own officials.


6 posted on 11/22/2009 4:00:09 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Dudoight

Bishop Tobin is not the Archbishop of Boston.


7 posted on 11/22/2009 4:01:46 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a wild-eyed, exclusionist, birther religio-beast -- Daily Kos)
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To: Dudoight

Ted Kennedy and Kerry from Massachuetts would be subject to the authority of the Boston Archbishop and not Bishop Tobin from Rhode Island.


8 posted on 11/22/2009 4:02:18 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Andy'smom
Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin has barred him from receiving communion because of his support of abortion rights.

"I could actually feel the Host twisting and struggling in my hand, every time I got close to him," Bishop Tobin later explained. "And, this one time, I think I maybe actually heard it trying to scream..." ;)

9 posted on 11/22/2009 4:02:34 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: Dudoight
You are correct regarding the perception of scandal over Ted Kennedy's Church funeral. However, we cannot judge the degree of repentance and forgiveness that occurred during the senator's last year of life,

On the other hand, Patrick Kennedy is being called to account for his present rejection of, and public activity against, church doctrine.

Thank you Bishop Tobin.

10 posted on 11/22/2009 4:04:33 AM PST by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: Andy'smom

Hopefully the pope will finally see that his silence on the nonsense going on here in the US, and the church’s support of healthcare, will be responsible for the millions of abortions in the future, not only in the US but around the world since O got into office.

Wonder if the administration in the vatican will hear the screaming of all those aborted dead babies lying at their feet. Wonder what the penance is for causing that kind of genocide? And all those babies without the benefit of last rights.....hope it keeps them up at night.


11 posted on 11/22/2009 4:15:26 AM PST by oldmomster
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To: Andy'smom

Yes decisions have consequences.....just almost never for a Kennedy.

Its high time that politicians actually were made to live with their decisions.


12 posted on 11/22/2009 4:16:24 AM PST by rod1
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To: ADSUM

I don’t care which bishop either Kennedy is subject to....do the tenets of the Catholic faith vary from state to state or city to city?


13 posted on 11/22/2009 4:18:22 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: conservativehistorian

We cannot judge the degree of ‘repentance’, I agree. But Ted’s blatant defiance of the tenets of his faith shown by his voting record was, as far as I know, never called to account by the Church.

There was plenty of opportunity for the Church to take a stand at the time. It’s not the Kennedy’s choices I am questioning, it is the Church’s lack of ‘spine’, historically, in response to those choices.


14 posted on 11/22/2009 4:24:17 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight

I am frankly apalled that some other man thinks he has control of my faith. Not what the Bible teaches.


15 posted on 11/22/2009 4:25:08 AM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: Andy'smom
Not enough.

He needs to be publicly excommunicated from the Church:

Excommunication

16 posted on 11/22/2009 4:40:23 AM PST by Jed Eckert
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To: Dudoight
I agree that the Church, most especially its American bishops, for decades has scandalized millions of Catholics, by its ‘acceptance’ of the legislative behaviors of militantly pro-choice prominent “Catholic” Democrat politicians.

However, this practicing Catholic iv very reassured that at least once American bishop has stood up for the magisterium.

I wonder how the bishops can square their support for Obamacare with its ‘death panels’ and abortion funding.

17 posted on 11/22/2009 4:55:28 AM PST by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: Andy'smom
Patrick Kennedy says Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin has barred him from receiving communion because of his support of abortion rights.

This is a good thing. Why don't people like Kennedy just leave the Catholic church...They could become a member of one of the pro-choice Protestant denominations like the Presbyterian Church of the USA, United Church of Christ, Lutheran, etc...

18 posted on 11/22/2009 5:08:29 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: NYer; Salvation

ping


19 posted on 11/22/2009 5:27:47 AM PST by clockwise
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To: Andy'smom
I haven’t noticed Nancy receiving communion since her meeting with B-16.
20 posted on 11/22/2009 5:31:18 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Andy'smom

Many Churches Support Abortion so I recommend that Patrick Kennedy and other democrats attend one of them. These websites have lists of pro-choice churches.

http://www.standforlife.net/2009/11/atrocity-many-churches-support-abortion.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_hist1.htm


21 posted on 11/22/2009 5:35:25 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Andy'smom

That’s about 60 years too late for that family.


22 posted on 11/22/2009 5:52:03 AM PST by BigLittle
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To: Andy'smom
Add this to the long list of things I don't understand.

How can a Kennedy or anyone else brag about being a Catholic and support abortion?

23 posted on 11/22/2009 6:08:58 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: Andy'smom

Thank You Bishop Thomas Tobin.


24 posted on 11/22/2009 6:15:38 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: HiramQuick
I am frankly apalled that some other man thinks he has control of my faith.

Huh? Nobody's controlling Kennedy's "faith" (whatever it might be!) -- the bishop is just saying he can't receive Communion in his diocese unless his faith conforms to the what the Church teaches. In fact, since he apparently doesn't believe what the Church teaches, one wonders why he bothers to go to Mass and receive anyway (if indeed he does).

25 posted on 11/22/2009 6:15:38 AM PST by maryz
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To: Andy'smom
Outstanding...!!!
26 posted on 11/22/2009 6:18:49 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Dudoight
Kennedy as all Catholics (human beings) are subject to God's judgment upon death.

A Bishop or Archbishop is the authority of the Church as the successor to the Apostles of Jesus Christ for a specific geographic area or diocese.

A Bishop has the authority to control the practice of Catholic Faith within that geographic area and can deny Communion, one of the Sacraments of the Catholic Church and could excommunicate a Catholic from the Church.

Why some Bishops do not exercise such authority is above my pay level.

27 posted on 11/22/2009 6:45:02 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: HiramQuick

The Bishop as a successor to the Apostles of Jesus can certainly deny the Sacraments to someone who so publicly stands against the Catholic Church and encourages and allows others to commit a mortal sin with respect to the life of another human being.

He is not denying his right to Faith in God.

He will face his judgment from God when he dies.


28 posted on 11/22/2009 6:59:12 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Dudoight
Not only the Church(sic) presided over a Whopping Funeral Mass to send this reprobate to heaven.

The Archdiocese of Boston, not the Church, was involved in that circus masquerading as a funeral Mass. Whether or not Ted Kennedy spends eternity in hell or heaven is the providence of Almighty God and that judgment was made at the moment of death, just as Scripture teaches. Your comprehension of Catholicism and Sacred Scripture leaves a lot to be desired.

29 posted on 11/22/2009 7:11:42 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“Your comprehension of Catholicism and Sacred Scripture leaves a lot to be desired.”

I agree. But I do not confuse the miscreant priests or lay participants with the actual theology of the Catholic Church.

However, Bishop Tobin is finally one of the first of the clergy to take a stand on what the Church teaches in regard to a Catholic legislator.

With the blatant voting record of Ted Kennedy, the Church never made a public, individually pointed ‘peep’ as to the Senator’s political record which was antithetically against the tenets of The Faith.

‘splain that to me!


30 posted on 11/22/2009 8:12:17 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: HiramQuick
I am frankly apalled that some other man thinks he has control of my faith. Not what the Bible teaches.

Nobody is exercising any "control" over anyone's faith in this situation.

Someone who claims to be Catholic while taking the disgraceful public stands that these public figures in the Kennedy family have taken over the years is like an Israeli Jew supporting Hamas or Hezbollah.

31 posted on 11/22/2009 8:12:54 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well said, Alberta’s child!


32 posted on 11/22/2009 8:40:02 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: A.A. Cunningham

What about all the people who were led astray by Ted Kennedy because he was a “pro-choice Catholic”? The blame falls squarely on his liberal confessor, and on the Church, which gives such power of absolution to men.


33 posted on 11/22/2009 8:51:08 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

The Archbishop of Boston may have counciled Ted Kennedy privately, as Bishop Tobib did for Patrick Kennedy.

When Patrick Kennedy went public, only then did the Bishop go public to set the record straight.


34 posted on 11/22/2009 1:29:04 PM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Dudoight

unfortunately, this bishop is in another state and diocese than the one deadTed frequented. looks like this bishop was not a fan of deadTed and wants to save patrick.


35 posted on 11/22/2009 1:31:41 PM PST by tioga
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To: jws3sticks

and they are few and far between.


36 posted on 11/22/2009 1:59:53 PM PST by cubreporter (.)
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To: jws3sticks

and they are few and far between.


37 posted on 11/22/2009 1:59:55 PM PST by cubreporter (.)
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To: ADSUM
A friend of mine from Boston has said that he knows Ted Kennedy's confessor and the priest is a liberal.

If either his confessor or the bishop counseled him not to be pro-abortion and he didn't obey, then I guess the blame would fall on Kennedy. My own personal view is that if he believed he was absolved, then he was absolved, but not if he disobyed the counsel he professed to have faith in.

Nonetheless, I'm not trying to judge the deceased--just bringing all this up for other reasons.

38 posted on 11/22/2009 6:36:41 PM PST by firebrand
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