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Obama did his part, now conservatives have to do ours (Frum on knees for President Present again)
Hot Air ^ | 12/02/09 | David Frum

Posted on 12/02/2009 8:38:24 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Having urged the president to honor his commitment to the Afghan war, we Republicans must honor our commitment to support him as he fights it. Given the public unenthusiasm for the conflict, there will be political temptations to “go rogue” on the president, if not now, then in the summer of 2010. That will be our test, for us to pass as the president has passed his. I know many Republicans and conservatives will say: “Hey – the Democrats did not give President Bush support when he most needed it.” Correct. They didn’t. And the country suffered for it. The right way to react to that dereliction of duty is not by emulating it, but by repudiating it. “For it before I was against it” has deservedly become an epithet for shameful wavering. Let’s not inflict it upon ourselves.

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1 posted on 12/02/2009 8:38:27 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: rabscuttle385

Ping


2 posted on 12/02/2009 8:38:58 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

somebody PLEASE buy this man a one-way ticket back to Toronto...


3 posted on 12/02/2009 8:40:03 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

(of course, just like Ogie Ogelthorpe, the Canadians just might refuse to take him...)


4 posted on 12/02/2009 8:40:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The best support that Republicans can give to Obama is to thwart his efforts to impose draconian Cap and Tax energy regulations on American Enterprise and also thwart his efforts to impose a disastrous transformation of our health care system into a government-run debacle. I just hope that a republican revolution in 2010 doesn’t turn things around so much that people give credit in 2012 to Obama and reelect him.


5 posted on 12/02/2009 8:42:10 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Someone tell that windbag that GOP elitism is frikin’ DEAD!!! There's a new sheriff in town and she don't like RINO ass kissers.
6 posted on 12/02/2009 8:42:38 AM PST by avacado
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Having urged the president to honor his commitment to the Afghan war, we Republicans must honor our commitment to support him as he fights it.

The only commitment I see is a delayed cut and run.

7 posted on 12/02/2009 8:43:09 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Was Frum ever a conservative? I consider myself well read and very tuned into opinion leaders on both the right and the left. However, I must confess that I never even heard of the guy before he started doing Lewinskys for ObaMao.
8 posted on 12/02/2009 8:43:37 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The right way to react to that dereliction of duty is not by emulating it, but by repudiating it. “For it before I was against it” has deservedly become an epithet for shameful wavering. Let’s not inflict it upon ourselves.

How does one walk with no spine?


9 posted on 12/02/2009 8:44:31 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Socialism is hip until somebody loses a paycheck)
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To: avacado
There's a new sheriff in town and she don't like RINO ass kissers.

Yup! ;)


10 posted on 12/02/2009 8:45:21 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Obama showed a stunning grasp of the obvious yesterday, and started channeling G W Bush

And he had a straight face too! So I think he actually thinks he was insightful

He reminds me of the college kids we get in to work every year- to whom every new experience is a revalation

Didn’t he run his whole campaign stating how wrong this was?


11 posted on 12/02/2009 8:46:49 AM PST by Mr. K (Deathly afraid my typos become a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Frum kissing Obama’s arse again I see.


12 posted on 12/02/2009 8:48:05 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Clyde5445

Check out who Hot Air is pimping now.


13 posted on 12/02/2009 8:49:32 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Frum assumes that we are going to attack the President on committing troops. That is not the case. The things that hinder our troops are still in place — the terrible Rules of Engagement that are getting our service members killed — the halfhearted dithering that has been going on is going to embolden the enemy and the artificial withdrawal date — those are problems I have with his policy!


14 posted on 12/02/2009 8:50:33 AM PST by Londo Molari
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To: Buckeye McFrog
somebody PLEASE buy this man a one-way ticket back to Toronto...

My sentiments, exactly. David Frum is one of the phoniest, pseudo-intellectual poseurs on the contemporary scene. As always, he is trying to sound profound & rational. I was already tearing up his type in debates by my freshman year in College.

What is really pathetic, about David Frum, is that he doesn't even get the fact that for a "Conservative" at least, it is not entirely fitting that he, as a transplanted Canadien, should be lecturing American Conservatives on what to believe and how to act. Moreover, I doubt if he even understands my point.

William Flax

15 posted on 12/02/2009 8:52:23 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

He’s already preemptively surrendered. He’s just backdated it to 2011.

The speech was frighteningly eminisenct of LBJ. LBJ tried to fight a war and not fight a war at the same time. The problem with Vietnam was that it was a no-win war. “The purpose of war is victory, not the endless prolongation of hostilities.” No-win wars are about the most immoral policy a leader can implement.

Nobody wants another Vietnam, but with BO’s timetable for withdrawal in place, that is exactly what we have. BO gave McChrystal only 3/4 of what he said he needs to win the war.

I’d like to support his troop surge as I supported the surge in Iraq. It worked magnificently. And if we withdraw, the Taliban will most likey come back into power and we’ll be in the same situation that we were in before 9/11.

But as it is now, all that figures to happen after July 2011, but with many more American lives lost between now and then. If that is the case, then we should just withdraw now ad save thousands of lives.

Prior to the surge, I was referring to Dubya as “Lyndon Baines Bush”, not only for his no-win policy (up until then) in Iraq but for the biggest entitlement program since LBJ. BO makes both of them look like pikers in entitlements and like brilliant sages in foreign policy.


16 posted on 12/02/2009 8:52:24 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
This is the last time I will post on anything David Frum has anything to do with. I am putting him on ignore. I am putting anyone who brings up his name on ignore.

If David Frum speaks (writes), and no one hears (sees) him, will he even exist?

In my world he won't

17 posted on 12/02/2009 8:55:02 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: TBP
He’s already preemptively surrendered. He’s just backdated it to 2011.

TBP wins the thread.

18 posted on 12/02/2009 8:55:11 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Having urged the president to honor his commitment to the Afghan war, we Republicans must honor our commitment to support him as he fights it. Given the public unenthusiasm for the conflict, there will be political temptations to “go rogue” on the president, if not now, then in the summer of 2010.


He's packed in quite a number of straw mans and presumptions in this sentence. Fool.
19 posted on 12/02/2009 8:55:49 AM PST by Since 2009-07-21
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I will always support the troops, I will never support obie won.


20 posted on 12/02/2009 8:56:41 AM PST by WhatNot ( Healthcare Bill-the other man-made object large enough to be seen from outer-space.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

*snicker*

Is there someone, somewhere, that takes this guy seriously? I know he gets play on the State-Sponsored Media but that is just because he is a pretend right-sider who “dares to go against the flow”.

Thanks frumpy for proving once again that there truly are people running about whose feet don’t quite touch the ground...


21 posted on 12/02/2009 8:59:04 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Frum wants us to support a half-assed job by Osama?


22 posted on 12/02/2009 8:59:15 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

WE should help this fraud continue to destroy our country?

Destroy our military?

Destroy the economy?

Destroy health care?

Frum, put down the crack pipe and get back to Canada, if they’ll have you.


23 posted on 12/02/2009 8:59:20 AM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Our part? Personally, I feel that the Taliban and Al Qaeda should be totally defeated and put in a position where they can never hurt anybody again. Similar to the Nazis in World War II.


24 posted on 12/02/2009 8:59:26 AM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Oh shut up Frum, you aren’t a conservative. What a fool he is.

Obozo will get no support from me. He has designed a formula for deaths and no victory.

Might as well come home from this farce now.


25 posted on 12/02/2009 9:03:15 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Frum identifying himself as a conservative reminds me of those liberal trolls that show up here in FR with screen-names like "ReaganLover" or "UltraConservative".

He's a seminar pundit.
26 posted on 12/02/2009 9:03:25 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“There was a Duke of York,
he had 30,000 men,
he marched up to Afghanistan,
and he marched them down again;
When you’re up, you’re up,
and when you’re down, you’re down,
But when you’re only half way up,
You’re neither up nor down.”


27 posted on 12/02/2009 9:04:24 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This is BullStalin.

Mr. President needs to put on his big man pants and step up as COMMANDER IN CHIEF. He still is not providing the resources that were asked for and is offering it long after the request.

Too little, too late.

With the announcement of a cut and run date, the men on the front lines are serving as cannon fodder.

The wimp in chief was unwilling to act before the 2009 election.

I will call him out on it. He needs to crap or get off the pot on Afghanistan. What is the mission? Capture Bin Laden, as he pledged in the campaign? Fight the “Right war in the Right place”? We already know that he will not permit us to declare “victory”.

So what are we fighting for?

I do not oppose the war. I oppose the pantywaisted efforts to tie our soldiers arms behind their backs and telling them to “march onward”.

How many legal persecutions of our own troops have there been already?

The REAL war criminals are the Islamonazi terrorists yet they are given CIVILIAN COURTS in AMERICA when they never set foot here and were captured on the battlefield.

The shadow government is tearing down our institutions.


28 posted on 12/02/2009 9:05:12 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Question authority!Who is the University of East Anglia to drive the 'Global Climate Change' agenda?)
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To: WhatNot

I think this author is confused. We all support the troops, at least I think we do. However, I am not sure what about President Obama’s speech we are supposed to support. The 30,000 heros? Victory (no mention of that)? The strategy and time line? both of which shouldn’t be revealed to the enemy.

There was nothing that President Obama said that would require any new support from the Republicans.

I think it will go down as the most worthless speech a CIC ever said in regards to leading a nation at war.


29 posted on 12/02/2009 9:06:50 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
BS ... he's got us "negotiating" an "uncommitted war." I'm not about to commit myself to support this! If he would have come out and said, we're going to be VICTORIOUS regardless of the cost ... then I'd be with him. But I'm not about to "commit" to a "politically correct" war. This is insanity.
The Patriot's Flag: Obama's Uncommitted War
30 posted on 12/02/2009 9:06:57 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
BS ... he's got us "negotiating" an "uncommitted war." I'm not about to commit myself to support this! If he would have come out and said, we're going to be VICTORIOUS regardless of the cost ... then I'd be with him. But I'm not about to "commit" to a "politically correct" war. This is insanity.
The Patriot's Flag: Obama's Uncommitted War
31 posted on 12/02/2009 9:07:06 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Watch out guys, if Frum says it, then expect McCain to do it. Deep thoughts for short people. I think our best bet is to call the strategy a political charade and make the dembots defend it. Helping them is a lose-lose situation for us. This be bammy’s war - and every dembot needs to support their candidate, conservatives and independents can now clearly state that there is nothing to win so lets get out. You don’t conduct a counterinsurgency on an 18-month schedule. It doesn’t work that way. So bammy wants the window dressing of C-in-C without any tough decisions, it is our duty to call him out on his mediocrity and make his supporters defend the indefensible. After 8 years of the dembots saying Afghan was the right war and Iraq the unwinnable one, lets put it to them to defend their beliefs and deep thoughts.


32 posted on 12/02/2009 9:09:26 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
No, not the arse.... Frum has the kneepads firmly placed on the ground Bambi walks on.....
33 posted on 12/02/2009 9:10:38 AM PST by sentient
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“That will be our test, for us to pass as the president has passed his.”

“Passed his”? Not hardly. A half measure is no measure at all. It’s almost like providing our military with guns without ammo and then making a big deal out of how you armed them for war....a half measure.

Obama has failed yet again. I see this entire thing as little more than a delayed “cut & run”. The Troops he is now reluctantly sending, are going to be there to help the others pack for the pullout. Sending these Troops is no less of a show than the manipulative show trials he has personally blessed against the Bush administration.

I support our Troops and I support the war against terrorism. I support killing every last one of them.

I will support Obama as CIC, (even though I hate his guts) the very moment that he supports our Troops and fights this war as a war. He has not done this with his political gamesmanship and he shows no signs of changing.

Obama is Americas First Failed Black Pres-dent.....


34 posted on 12/02/2009 9:14:25 AM PST by Gator113 (Obama is Americas First Failed Black Pres-dent.....)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

But we conservatives are doing our part, we are, as William F. Buckley, Jr. put it “stand[ing] athwart history, shouting ‘Stop!’”

I seem to recall that he made the remark in response to a question about what the “program of conservatism is” and that continued by saying, “That is program enough to annoy the left and keep the nation free.”


35 posted on 12/02/2009 9:16:19 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“That will be our test..”

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Frump, your elitist, condescending ass is certainly not part of any “our” of which I am a member.


36 posted on 12/02/2009 9:17:41 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: castlegreyskull
I think it will go down as the most worthless speech a CIC ever said in regards to leading a nation at war.

I agree, just as this man will go down as the most worthless CIC ever to lead, this greatest free nation on the face of the earth.

37 posted on 12/02/2009 9:17:44 AM PST by WhatNot ( Healthcare Bill-the other man-made object large enough to be seen from outer-space.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Having urged the president to honor his commitment to the Afghan war, we Republicans must honor our commitment to support him as he fights it.

Can Frum actually point out significant Republicans who are not supporting any effort to fight the war? The only objection I've seen is due to Obama's setting a withdrawal timetable. Otherwise, GOP support is FAR more solid than Dem support.

38 posted on 12/02/2009 9:20:55 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

What a pantload.


39 posted on 12/02/2009 9:31:44 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Dear FISHLIPS FRUM--

You disgust me. Go away. Find honest work and leave us ALONE...

40 posted on 12/02/2009 9:44:12 AM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The President is 6 months late in making a decision and still provides only a partial number of troops and we’re supposed to celebrate?

and what about those new RoE’s? We have had troops die because they weren’t allowed to return fire or because airstrikes and artillery were denied them.

We’re supposed to support this?

NO WAY!!


41 posted on 12/02/2009 10:39:41 AM PST by GeronL
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To: a fool in paradise

Well-stated, I agree with every point you made. God bless our troops.


42 posted on 12/02/2009 10:47:12 AM PST by jim35 (A racist is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
If Obama isn't in it to win, we need pull our troops out immediately. To do otherwise is to lead us into another Vietnam meat-grinder.

So far Obama’s only strategy is to time the withdrawal to coincide nicely with his reelection campaign. Presidential leadership like that we can do without.

43 posted on 12/02/2009 3:03:25 PM PST by RJL
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I will support Obama, but will start to draw down my support in exactly 18 minutes. I will NOT tell him exactly when I expect to withdraw the last of my support...

Fair is fair, and Frum is a dunce!


44 posted on 12/02/2009 3:05:55 PM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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