Its been pretty well proven that Obama was born there. Hawaii has admitted that they have documents dating within a week of his birth there.
It was never really an issue of where he was born! What matters is the fact that he was born to a British foreigner, and Obama inherited that Nationality as well as American at his birth. You can’t AT BIRTH have two Nationalities and be a Natural Born Citizen.
The Birth certificate was a smoke screen. Obama wanted people looking at THAT rather than looking at the fact he was a dual citizen AT BIRTH. Natural Born Citizenship is ONLY ever decided in that one instant, and can never be changed, it is a circumstance of birth. Either you have two American Citizen Parents or you don’t. Obama doesn’t. He is a citizen yes indeed, but not a Natural Born one because he ws ALSO born British due to his father.
THAT is the issue. NOT his Birth Certificate. Obama wants people to keep thinking about THAT rather than the real issue: what his dad was.
Under Italian law, I have Italian nationality. My great grandfather immigrated here in 1913 and my grandfather was born before my great grandfather renounced his Italian citizenship and became a US citizen. Therefore, under their law, Italian citizenship was passed to my grandfather, my mother and me. If I fill out some papers and provide some documentation, I can get an Italian passport.
If, on the other hand, my great grandfather had come from, say, Spain, which doesn't have a law passing nationality down for generations, I would not have that status.
So, am I a natural born US citizen, since I was born here, both my parents were born here, and all four of my grandparents were born here, or do the vagaries of foreign law control who is or isn't a natural born citizen?
Thank you for clarification as all this has been confusing to me. Now if the state run media can bring this to light...
How do you know who his father is?...For that matter, does he know?
Isn’t Natural Born spelled out in the Consitution and if so then does that make him invalid by not being Natural Born?
It has not been proved. I haven't seen the long form and neither have you.
Hawaii has a history of allowing people who were not born in Hawaii to obtain the short form that was posted by Obama’s website.
The short form is not accepted as proof of citizen for a job or a passport or as I understand it, even to play in little league. We should not accept the short form for President of the United States.
I want to see a verified copy of the long form.
This was pasted fromOrly taitz web site if you want to know more about this issue go to http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/ NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
Looking for evidence of Obamas past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science
major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, I dont know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me.
I dont have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia
. Ever! Nobody recalls him. Im not exaggerating, Im not kidding.
Root adds that he was also, like Obama, Class of 83 political science, pre-law and says, You dont get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, dont know anyone who ever met him.
At the class reunion
, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me.
No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, whos kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange?
Its very strange. Obamas photograph does not appear in the schools yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.
NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major (in the same class as President Barack Obama WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN IN)
You make me proud!
Several people had hinted at Obama’s possible dual citizenship but I was the first to dig up and post on Freeper the 1948 British Citizenship Act before the elections last year.
If they had been serious they would have used the words **original long form birth certificate**!!!! ( note singular)
Fukino did not! She instead referred to “vital records” ( note the plural. These could be anything at all. They could even have been amended records submitted by Obama himself!
PULEEZ! This is getting old. You really should know better.
But...I DO agree with you about his father. Nothing would please me more than to have the Supreme Court make a decision on this.
This all leads to the question of how can Obama be an Article II natural born Citizen if he was at birth both a U.S. citizen (assuming he was born in the U.S.) and a British citizen which alone disqualifies him from having that status? But to make matters worse, Obama continues to be a British citizen at a time that he is currently the President of the United States. Can we reasonably conclude that the Founding Fathers, who had just fought a war with Great Britain and who did not want a foreigner to occupy the Office of President, would have allowed a British citizen born after 1789, who carries that status not only from birth but also to the time he occupies the Office, to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Military? Another question is how can a would-be President and Commander in Chief of the Military with current dual citizenship obtain a security clearance which he should have to access classified U.S. government information needed by him to carry out the sensitive functions of that Office?
That's not quite right. British law could have it that he was not a British national at birth, and he still would not be a natural born citizen, because he did not have citizen parents, plural.
I read all the replies to your comments before commenting myself, so as not to repeat anyone elses statements. Nobody has proven that he has legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro, as he was adopted and had a legal name change, and nobody (including Obama/Soetoro) has ever proven that he is infact a citizen at all. The last we know is that he is a british subject, then an indonesian one. He has not offered proof that he is even a naturalized citizen, lot less a Natural citizen. Which of course, he cannot be, as his father in Kenyan Born, hence a British Subject at the time of his birth, and the US/British law at the time did not provide for Dual Citizenship.
What happens if it turns out his father is really Frank Marshall Davis? That would make him a NBC and a red diaper baby. Would Quo Warranto work in that case?