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Cars, quo warranto, and Obama (Donofrio update)
Examiner.com ^ | 12-06-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 12/05/2009 10:43:07 AM PST by Danae

With so many lawsuits filed every day in America, one more might seem irrelevant. There is one however that should be watched, but will most likely escape notice. For a little while at any rate…

*snip*

Neil Cavuto welcomed former Chrysler dealer James Anderer to his show on Fox Business News Daily to talk about a case that has been filed by a group of dealers who lost their businesses in the Washington D.C. District Court. Lead Plaintiff Anderer mentioned a team of legal experts while describing the case to Cavuto, and an anonymous source has named Leo Donofrio and Steve Pidgeon as having been retained by a group of Chrysler dealers who lost their franchise in the Chrysler bankruptcy sale. They have been retained to bring two actions:

1. A motion to reconsider the Court's approval of the dealer rejections. 2. A quo warranto in the D.C. District Court pertaining to Obama and his administration.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; chrysler; donofrio; leodonofrio; quowarranto
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To: Twotone

It was simply common knowledge at the time. They didn’t realize that a definition might ever be needed, it was obvious to them. Federilist 68 talks about it. The founders considered it a matter of National Security.
Alexander Hamilton:
“Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention.”


21 posted on 12/05/2009 11:21:43 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

His COLB, which I think is genuine, lists Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as the father. That is what we and Obama have to go on, the official record.


22 posted on 12/05/2009 11:24:02 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Frantzie

gee if i thought a case had any legs at all i would contribute a tidy sum not thousands but hundreds.


23 posted on 12/05/2009 11:25:46 AM PST by mel
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To: taildragger

Here’s another link that shows some of the issues...

http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d15-Obamas-Achiles-heel—Natural-Born-Citizenship


24 posted on 12/05/2009 11:27:04 AM PST by Twotone
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To: Danae
Thank You Danae!

So, if the Supremes decide to take this up, this could be a precedent and put them in defense mode and take up gobbs of team Obama's time like the Lewinsky thing did grinding them to a halt.

If they vote pro Natural Born, does he step down and we are stuck with this bad Borscht Belt Comedian Joe Biden as CIC?

25 posted on 12/05/2009 11:29:40 AM PST by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: Danae
In some countries, in order to get citizenship you have to meet certain qualifications, so you could apply to become a citizen of Italy, but it isn't something you directly inherited from either of your parents,

No. Under Italian law, I inherited Italian citizenship from my mother, who inherited it from her father, who inherited it from his father. I don't have to apply for it. I only need to prove the lineage and I can get an Italian passport.

26 posted on 12/05/2009 11:29:44 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Danae
OBAMA KNOWS HE ISN'T A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He is betting no one figures it out!


August 29, 2008
Q:
Does Barack Obama have Kenyan citizenship?

The Rocky Mountain News has reported (below) that Barack Obama "Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship." Is this true?

The Rocky Mountain News
August 6, 2008

Entered Harvard Law School in 1988, was elected the first African–American editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

Won two Grammys for Best Spoken Word Albums for an autobiography in 1995 “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance” and his second book, “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream,” published in October 2006.

Mother Ann Dunham died of ovarian cancer in 1995. Father Barack Obama Sr. was killed in a car wreck in 1982.

Spent four years in his stepfather’s native country of Indonesia.

Is the fifth African-American senator in U.S. history

Is the first presidential candidate to come from Hawaii.

Favorite movies: “The Godfather” (Parts I and II) and “Lawrence of Arabia.”

In his early years he was known as Barry.

According to his memoirs, he admitted using alcohol, marijuana and cocaine in his youth.

His first name comes from the word that means “blessed by God” in Arabic.

At his wife’s suggestion, he quit smoking before his campaign to win the Democratic nomination began.

Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship.

Named one of Time magazine’s “100 most influential people in the world” list in 2005 and 2007.

Chosen as one of “10 people would change the world” by New Statesman magazine (2005).

Source: biography.com , Internet Movie Database, Atlanta Journal Constitution
A:
No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 23rd birthday.

The Rocky Mountain News did in fact run an online article asserting that Barack Obama holds both American and Kenyan citizenship. The article was incorrect, and the paper removed the item from the article and ran a correction. The paper's editor, John Temple, formally apologized for the error in an Aug. 15, 2007, column. Neither the correction nor the apology has prevented the column from circulating across the Internet as part of the latest set of baseless rumors that Obama is ineligible to run for president.

There was a grain of truth to what the Rocky Mountain News reported, though understanding why requires a brief history lesson.

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Obama's British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963. So The Rocky Mountain News was at least partially correct.

But the paper failed to note that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 23, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1984. 

Corrected (Sep. 3, 2009): Our original article incorrectly stated that then-Sen. Obama lost his Kenyan citizenship on Aug. 4, 1982. The correct date is Aug. 4, 1984. The Kenyan Constitution required Obama to choose whether to keep either his U.S. or Kenyan citizenship upon his 21st birthday, which was in 1982. But we initially missed that the Constitution provided him a two-year window for making that choice. So Obama did not lose his Kenyan citizenship until his 23rd birthday in 1984. We have updated the item to reflect this.

- Joe Miller

Sources

Rocky Mountain News Staff. "Things You Might Not Know About Barack Obama." 6 August 2007. The Rocky Mountain News. 24 August 2008.

Temple, John. "8-word Gaffe Ripples Across Web." 15 August 2007. The Rocky Mountain News. 24 August 2008.


The British Nationality Act, 1948. 1948. 24 August 2008.

"The Constitution of Kenya." 1963 (revised, 2001). The Parliament of Kenya. 24 August 2008.


27 posted on 12/05/2009 11:30:44 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Oops, that is from: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html


28 posted on 12/05/2009 11:31:17 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
“Its been pretty well proven that Obama was born there. Hawaii has admitted that they have documents dating within a week of his birth there.”

It has not been proved. I haven't seen the long form and neither have you.

Hawaii has a history of allowing people who were not born in Hawaii to obtain the short form that was posted by Obama’s website.

The short form is not accepted as proof of citizen for a job or a passport or as I understand it, even to play in little league. We should not accept the short form for President of the United States.

I want to see a verified copy of the long form.

29 posted on 12/05/2009 11:32:33 AM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: FR_addict

It was proven by Donofrio, who got specific legal confirmation from the State of Hawaii that they had documents in their possession dated to within a week of Obama’s birth. It is irrelevant anyway.

What IS relevant is the fact he was born a Kenyan citizen and a British Citizen as well as American AT HIS BIRTH. You cannot be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America and hold the citizenship of ANY other Nation at the instant of your birth.

THAT is the issue. The birth certificate issue is SOLELY there to DISTRACT you from THAT fact!!!!! If you are focused on the stupid birth certificate you ARE NOT thinking about the fact that the usurper was BORN BRITISH KENYAN! Obama isn’t a Natural Born Citizen because of THAT fact, and it doesn’t matter WHERE he was born. The Coffin is already nailed shut! If he wasn’t born in Hawaii that’s just another Nail, but it IS NOT the most important! The coffin is nailed shut by a whole nail gun full of nails and they are all named BRITISH AND KENYAN at birth!


30 posted on 12/05/2009 11:37:32 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Favorite movies: “The Godfather” (Parts I and II) and “Lawrence of Arabia.”

Gangsters, and leading the Arab / Muslims .....


31 posted on 12/05/2009 11:38:36 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: FR_addict

PS: I was born in Hawaii, I know all about what goes on there from a first person experience. You are right about not accepting the short form, but it is irrelevant in the reason as to why Obama is an Usurper.


32 posted on 12/05/2009 11:38:44 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Aha! I KNEW Leo has been busy! Go Leo!


33 posted on 12/05/2009 11:42:17 AM PST by thecodont
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To: Danae

This was pasted fromOrly taitz web site if you want to know more about this issue go to http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/ NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science

major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me.
I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia

. Ever! Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.”
Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.
At the class reunion

, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me.
No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange?

It’s very strange.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Allyn_Root#column-one
NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major (in the same class as President Barack Obama WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN IN)


34 posted on 12/05/2009 11:43:36 AM PST by crawler (Who's got a Greencard for Obama?)
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To: Danae

You make me proud!

Several people had hinted at Obama’s possible dual citizenship but I was the first to dig up and post on Freeper the 1948 British Citizenship Act before the elections last year.


35 posted on 12/05/2009 11:55:12 AM PST by WellyP
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To: WellyP

Well apparently it was seen by Fact Check because they sure do quote it!


36 posted on 12/05/2009 11:58:18 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: crawler

Its damn weird isn’t it?


37 posted on 12/05/2009 11:58:48 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

He isn’t paying millions of dollars to keep his long form birth certificate hidden without a reason.

I want to see the long form, not some weird confirmation from the state of Hawaii. That wouldn’t get you in to Little League, let alone a passport or a job.

In any trial, you introduce the actual evidence in a case, when it is available. You don’t have someone testify that they have seen it.

What was the wording used by the legal confirmation? What were the “documents in their possesion”, A Hawaiian birth certificate, a Kenyan birth certificate, a notarized statement, stating that Barack Obama was born at home (which would be a good way to hide a Kenyan Birth)?

He is spending millions of dollars not to show the birth certificate for a reason. If he really was born in Hawaii, what is he hiding? Was he born in a Hawaiian hospital, was his father listed as Barack Obama? If he isn’t even listed as his father, then your Kenyan theory isn’t pertinent. What passport did he use when he traveled abroad — American, Kenyan, Indonesian? Was he adopted by his step father and actually should be considered an Indonesian citizen?


38 posted on 12/05/2009 12:10:04 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: Danae

I hope she and her husband are doing well. She seems like a nice lady. I also am hoping for the best for Leo and the Chrysler dealers.


39 posted on 12/05/2009 12:11:03 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Danae

We don’t need no stinking brakes!!!


40 posted on 12/05/2009 12:13:56 PM PST by jarofants
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