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Cars, quo warranto, and Obama (Donofrio update)
Examiner.com ^ | 12-06-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 12/05/2009 10:43:07 AM PST by Danae

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Leo Donofrio has not gone quietly into the night!
1 posted on 12/05/2009 10:43:08 AM PST by Danae
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2 posted on 12/05/2009 10:43:58 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
Don't tell me the cash for clunkers program went south again!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

3 posted on 12/05/2009 10:46:41 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Danae

Very cool. Thank you for updating us too! My heart sank when I saw his web site/blog is pretty much done.

Anyone know what happened with Hawaii? It seemed like Leo and Mick Trickly had them boxed in. She sort of disappeared because I think she was concerned about herself and family. Leo is a good guy. He has real passion and he really cares.

If the Chrysler dealers need to start a fund to finance the lawsuit - I bet many people would contrtibute. Nathan Deal in GA is getting 10 House members to ask O for his BC. Sarah is asking about it. It is not going away.


4 posted on 12/05/2009 10:47:08 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Danae

Quo Warranto is the only means to remove a Sitting President other than impeachment by congress. Congress gave the D.C. District court the QW as a remedy for the people to challenge a sitting president, and it can only be done there. This is a real live case folks.

Talk about hugh and series, this is a freight train comin down the Rockies with no brakes.


5 posted on 12/05/2009 10:48:25 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
Yeah, baby! We have standing, we have lift off!!!

BUMP!!!

6 posted on 12/05/2009 10:52:55 AM PST by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: Frantzie

Its been pretty well proven that Obama was born there. Hawaii has admitted that they have documents dating within a week of his birth there.

It was never really an issue of where he was born! What matters is the fact that he was born to a British foreigner, and Obama inherited that Nationality as well as American at his birth. You can’t AT BIRTH have two Nationalities and be a Natural Born Citizen.

The Birth certificate was a smoke screen. Obama wanted people looking at THAT rather than looking at the fact he was a dual citizen AT BIRTH. Natural Born Citizenship is ONLY ever decided in that one instant, and can never be changed, it is a circumstance of birth. Either you have two American Citizen Parents or you don’t. Obama doesn’t. He is a citizen yes indeed, but not a Natural Born one because he ws ALSO born British due to his father.

THAT is the issue. NOT his Birth Certificate. Obama wants people to keep thinking about THAT rather than the real issue: what his dad was.


7 posted on 12/05/2009 10:53:25 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: circumbendibus

Damn straight we do.

This is nuclear hot.


8 posted on 12/05/2009 10:54:02 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: goldstategop

No, its a quo warrento filing in the DC district court. That is the only way for the people to kick out an usurper president when congress is unwilling to impeach.


9 posted on 12/05/2009 10:55:02 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Frantzie

correction - Miss Trickly. She posted here a few times. She is a neat lady.


10 posted on 12/05/2009 10:57:14 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Danae

Keep everyone here in the loop. I think money could be raised to fund this if need be. Americans around the country are fed up with this illegal coup.

The GW scam blowing up may be part of the piece that tumbles this corrupt and evil people.


11 posted on 12/05/2009 11:00:16 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Danae
What matters is the fact that he was born to a British foreigner, and Obama inherited that Nationality as well as American at his birth. You can’t AT BIRTH have two Nationalities and be a Natural Born Citizen.

Under Italian law, I have Italian nationality. My great grandfather immigrated here in 1913 and my grandfather was born before my great grandfather renounced his Italian citizenship and became a US citizen. Therefore, under their law, Italian citizenship was passed to my grandfather, my mother and me. If I fill out some papers and provide some documentation, I can get an Italian passport.

If, on the other hand, my great grandfather had come from, say, Spain, which doesn't have a law passing nationality down for generations, I would not have that status.

So, am I a natural born US citizen, since I was born here, both my parents were born here, and all four of my grandparents were born here, or do the vagaries of foreign law control who is or isn't a natural born citizen?

12 posted on 12/05/2009 11:02:04 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Frantzie

She said her husband was having health problems. She had posted about it.


13 posted on 12/05/2009 11:03:45 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Thank you for clarification as all this has been confusing to me. Now if the state run media can bring this to light...


14 posted on 12/05/2009 11:04:32 AM PST by Achilles Heel
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Same for my wife. Filipino and American at birth. They changed the law in the Philippines and she had to declare one or the other at age 21. Entire family came to the US.


15 posted on 12/05/2009 11:05:21 AM PST by votemout
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To: Danae
THAT is the issue. NOT his Birth Certificate.

How do you know who his father is?...For that matter, does he know?

16 posted on 12/05/2009 11:06:11 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: Danae

Isn’t Natural Born spelled out in the Consitution and if so then does that make him invalid by not being Natural Born?


17 posted on 12/05/2009 11:11:03 AM PST by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Because your parents were citizens of this Nation and you were born here, you would be considered a Natural Born citizen. In some countries, in order to get citizenship you have to meet certain qualifications, so you could apply to become a citizen of Italy, but it isn't something you directly inherited from either of your parents, particularly your father. In Obama's case, his dad was a full on British Citizen, and a Kenyan. Obama inherited both at his birth. His Kenyan Citizenship expired, and Obama ADMITS that on his fight the Smears site.
Just look at what is buried in the code when I copied and pasted it into this post! Free Republic is directly mentioned as well. Anyway, go to the bottom and read the following:
"FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”"

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18 posted on 12/05/2009 11:15:13 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: taildragger

“Isn’t Natural Born spelled out in the Consitution and if so then does that make him invalid by not being Natural Born?”

I’ve seen the statute quoted in other threads. I don’t have it handy at the moment. The problem is that the statute is very short & doesn’t reflect the INTENT - which was to prevent someone with ties to other countries from assuming the presidency. The Framers screwed up on this one.


19 posted on 12/05/2009 11:19:05 AM PST by Twotone
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To: taildragger

Natural Born is not defined anywhere in the Constitution. However, the term comes from the same document that the constitution was largely based on “The Law of Nations” by Emer. Vattel written in the 1750’s. In it Natural Born is described as this:
“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are thofe born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
Vattel, Emerich. “THE LAW OF NATIONS OR PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF NATURE APPLIED TO THE CONDUCT AND AFFAIRS OF NATIONS AND SOVEREIGNS.” 1797.

http://books.google.com/books?id=z8b8rrzRc7AC&dq=vattel+law+of+Nations&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=nTgHS_rdKYeQsgPzy4zACQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Parents%20who%20are%20citizens&f=false

There has been no specific Supreme Court case that has defined it either, but the court HAS made the distinction between citizen and Natural Born Citizen several times, noting that there IS a difference!


20 posted on 12/05/2009 11:19:18 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Twotone

It was simply common knowledge at the time. They didn’t realize that a definition might ever be needed, it was obvious to them. Federilist 68 talks about it. The founders considered it a matter of National Security.
Alexander Hamilton:
“Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention.”


21 posted on 12/05/2009 11:21:43 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

His COLB, which I think is genuine, lists Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as the father. That is what we and Obama have to go on, the official record.


22 posted on 12/05/2009 11:24:02 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Frantzie

gee if i thought a case had any legs at all i would contribute a tidy sum not thousands but hundreds.


23 posted on 12/05/2009 11:25:46 AM PST by mel
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To: taildragger

Here’s another link that shows some of the issues...

http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d15-Obamas-Achiles-heel—Natural-Born-Citizenship


24 posted on 12/05/2009 11:27:04 AM PST by Twotone
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To: Danae
Thank You Danae!

So, if the Supremes decide to take this up, this could be a precedent and put them in defense mode and take up gobbs of team Obama's time like the Lewinsky thing did grinding them to a halt.

If they vote pro Natural Born, does he step down and we are stuck with this bad Borscht Belt Comedian Joe Biden as CIC?

25 posted on 12/05/2009 11:29:40 AM PST by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: Danae
In some countries, in order to get citizenship you have to meet certain qualifications, so you could apply to become a citizen of Italy, but it isn't something you directly inherited from either of your parents,

No. Under Italian law, I inherited Italian citizenship from my mother, who inherited it from her father, who inherited it from his father. I don't have to apply for it. I only need to prove the lineage and I can get an Italian passport.

26 posted on 12/05/2009 11:29:44 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Danae
OBAMA KNOWS HE ISN'T A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He is betting no one figures it out!


August 29, 2008
Q:
Does Barack Obama have Kenyan citizenship?

The Rocky Mountain News has reported (below) that Barack Obama "Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship." Is this true?

The Rocky Mountain News
August 6, 2008

Entered Harvard Law School in 1988, was elected the first African–American editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

Won two Grammys for Best Spoken Word Albums for an autobiography in 1995 “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance” and his second book, “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream,” published in October 2006.

Mother Ann Dunham died of ovarian cancer in 1995. Father Barack Obama Sr. was killed in a car wreck in 1982.

Spent four years in his stepfather’s native country of Indonesia.

Is the fifth African-American senator in U.S. history

Is the first presidential candidate to come from Hawaii.

Favorite movies: “The Godfather” (Parts I and II) and “Lawrence of Arabia.”

In his early years he was known as Barry.

According to his memoirs, he admitted using alcohol, marijuana and cocaine in his youth.

His first name comes from the word that means “blessed by God” in Arabic.

At his wife’s suggestion, he quit smoking before his campaign to win the Democratic nomination began.

Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship.

Named one of Time magazine’s “100 most influential people in the world” list in 2005 and 2007.

Chosen as one of “10 people would change the world” by New Statesman magazine (2005).

Source: biography.com , Internet Movie Database, Atlanta Journal Constitution
A:
No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 23rd birthday.

The Rocky Mountain News did in fact run an online article asserting that Barack Obama holds both American and Kenyan citizenship. The article was incorrect, and the paper removed the item from the article and ran a correction. The paper's editor, John Temple, formally apologized for the error in an Aug. 15, 2007, column. Neither the correction nor the apology has prevented the column from circulating across the Internet as part of the latest set of baseless rumors that Obama is ineligible to run for president.

There was a grain of truth to what the Rocky Mountain News reported, though understanding why requires a brief history lesson.

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Obama's British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963. So The Rocky Mountain News was at least partially correct.

But the paper failed to note that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 23, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1984. 

Corrected (Sep. 3, 2009): Our original article incorrectly stated that then-Sen. Obama lost his Kenyan citizenship on Aug. 4, 1982. The correct date is Aug. 4, 1984. The Kenyan Constitution required Obama to choose whether to keep either his U.S. or Kenyan citizenship upon his 21st birthday, which was in 1982. But we initially missed that the Constitution provided him a two-year window for making that choice. So Obama did not lose his Kenyan citizenship until his 23rd birthday in 1984. We have updated the item to reflect this.

- Joe Miller

Sources

Rocky Mountain News Staff. "Things You Might Not Know About Barack Obama." 6 August 2007. The Rocky Mountain News. 24 August 2008.

Temple, John. "8-word Gaffe Ripples Across Web." 15 August 2007. The Rocky Mountain News. 24 August 2008.


The British Nationality Act, 1948. 1948. 24 August 2008.

"The Constitution of Kenya." 1963 (revised, 2001). The Parliament of Kenya. 24 August 2008.


27 posted on 12/05/2009 11:30:44 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Oops, that is from: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html


28 posted on 12/05/2009 11:31:17 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
“Its been pretty well proven that Obama was born there. Hawaii has admitted that they have documents dating within a week of his birth there.”

It has not been proved. I haven't seen the long form and neither have you.

Hawaii has a history of allowing people who were not born in Hawaii to obtain the short form that was posted by Obama’s website.

The short form is not accepted as proof of citizen for a job or a passport or as I understand it, even to play in little league. We should not accept the short form for President of the United States.

I want to see a verified copy of the long form.

29 posted on 12/05/2009 11:32:33 AM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: FR_addict

It was proven by Donofrio, who got specific legal confirmation from the State of Hawaii that they had documents in their possession dated to within a week of Obama’s birth. It is irrelevant anyway.

What IS relevant is the fact he was born a Kenyan citizen and a British Citizen as well as American AT HIS BIRTH. You cannot be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America and hold the citizenship of ANY other Nation at the instant of your birth.

THAT is the issue. The birth certificate issue is SOLELY there to DISTRACT you from THAT fact!!!!! If you are focused on the stupid birth certificate you ARE NOT thinking about the fact that the usurper was BORN BRITISH KENYAN! Obama isn’t a Natural Born Citizen because of THAT fact, and it doesn’t matter WHERE he was born. The Coffin is already nailed shut! If he wasn’t born in Hawaii that’s just another Nail, but it IS NOT the most important! The coffin is nailed shut by a whole nail gun full of nails and they are all named BRITISH AND KENYAN at birth!


30 posted on 12/05/2009 11:37:32 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Favorite movies: “The Godfather” (Parts I and II) and “Lawrence of Arabia.”

Gangsters, and leading the Arab / Muslims .....


31 posted on 12/05/2009 11:38:36 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: FR_addict

PS: I was born in Hawaii, I know all about what goes on there from a first person experience. You are right about not accepting the short form, but it is irrelevant in the reason as to why Obama is an Usurper.


32 posted on 12/05/2009 11:38:44 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Aha! I KNEW Leo has been busy! Go Leo!


33 posted on 12/05/2009 11:42:17 AM PST by thecodont
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To: Danae

This was pasted fromOrly taitz web site if you want to know more about this issue go to http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/ NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science

major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me.
I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia

. Ever! Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.”
Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.
At the class reunion

, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me.
No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange?

It’s very strange.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Allyn_Root#column-one
NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major (in the same class as President Barack Obama WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN IN)


34 posted on 12/05/2009 11:43:36 AM PST by crawler (Who's got a Greencard for Obama?)
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To: Danae

You make me proud!

Several people had hinted at Obama’s possible dual citizenship but I was the first to dig up and post on Freeper the 1948 British Citizenship Act before the elections last year.


35 posted on 12/05/2009 11:55:12 AM PST by WellyP
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To: WellyP

Well apparently it was seen by Fact Check because they sure do quote it!


36 posted on 12/05/2009 11:58:18 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: crawler

Its damn weird isn’t it?


37 posted on 12/05/2009 11:58:48 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

He isn’t paying millions of dollars to keep his long form birth certificate hidden without a reason.

I want to see the long form, not some weird confirmation from the state of Hawaii. That wouldn’t get you in to Little League, let alone a passport or a job.

In any trial, you introduce the actual evidence in a case, when it is available. You don’t have someone testify that they have seen it.

What was the wording used by the legal confirmation? What were the “documents in their possesion”, A Hawaiian birth certificate, a Kenyan birth certificate, a notarized statement, stating that Barack Obama was born at home (which would be a good way to hide a Kenyan Birth)?

He is spending millions of dollars not to show the birth certificate for a reason. If he really was born in Hawaii, what is he hiding? Was he born in a Hawaiian hospital, was his father listed as Barack Obama? If he isn’t even listed as his father, then your Kenyan theory isn’t pertinent. What passport did he use when he traveled abroad — American, Kenyan, Indonesian? Was he adopted by his step father and actually should be considered an Indonesian citizen?


38 posted on 12/05/2009 12:10:04 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: Danae

I hope she and her husband are doing well. She seems like a nice lady. I also am hoping for the best for Leo and the Chrysler dealers.


39 posted on 12/05/2009 12:11:03 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Danae

We don’t need no stinking brakes!!!


40 posted on 12/05/2009 12:13:56 PM PST by jarofants
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To: Danae
Fact Check is part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center, which is connected to Obama and Bill Ayers.

Google the connection between Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, and the Annenberg Foundation

41 posted on 12/05/2009 12:16:15 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: FR_addict
http://digg.com/politics/Annenberg_Gate_The_Truth_About_Barack_Obama_And_Bill_Ayres

Here’s one about the connections. There are plenty more. I know the connections have been on Free Republic.

I am surprised anyone wouuld use FactCheck.org for facts.
It says right on their site that they are the Annenberg Political Fact Check.

42 posted on 12/05/2009 12:22:16 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: Danae
“PS: I was born in Hawaii, I know all about what goes on there from a first person experience.”

PS: I lived in Hawaii. So what? Unless you worked in the state government sorting through the birth certificate records, I don't think you are anymore an expert than I am.

There had been some research done on actual cases where the state of Hawaii gave out the short form for people not born in Hawaii. It's on Free Republic somewhere.

43 posted on 12/05/2009 12:30:12 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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“What was the wording used by the legal confirmation? What were the “documents in their possesion”, A Hawaiian birth certificate, a Kenyan birth certificate, a notarized statement, stating that Barack Obama was born at home (which would be a good way to hide a Kenyan Birth)?”

Hawaii DoH replied to Leo Donofrio that he was denied access to documents dating on or about Aug, 1961, which statutorily admits that they do have them. Otherwise they would have replied, the documents do not exist.

Obama is spending millions of dollars to make it look like he IS hiding something. The truth is already Public, he just wants people looking at what they think he is hiding. The information that is going to remove him from office is the fact he was born British, Kenyan, and American and was therefore never a Natural Born Citizen. THAT is what makes him unconstitutional. The Birth Certificate, as long as people think it is some smoking gun, is being used to distract people from looking at what MAKES a person a Natural Born Citizen or not. He does not have parentS who were citizenS when he was born. Thats the issue.


44 posted on 12/05/2009 12:36:56 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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I can tell you a for a FACT that they issued birth certificates, it was done all the time because of the number of foreign immigrants to the islands as migrant workers back then. Hawaii didn’t have the resources to FEED all those welfare cases, so they gave them birth certificates so they would qualify for FEDERAL WELFARE. I posted the article on it.

This is the full article:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697


45 posted on 12/05/2009 12:40:15 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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I know that Fact Check is an Obama stooge site. But it STATES that he was a British Kenyan, shows the law that governed the status conferred upon Obama at his birth, and is EVIDENCE that he KNOWS he isn’t a Natural Born Citizen and WHY. He is just doing all he cam to make it seem that his BIRTH CERTIFICATE is the issue. It isn’t. The issue is what he admits to publicly. People are so damned busy chasing the birth certificate they aren’t LOOKING at what is right out in the open. He was born Kenyan and British, and THAT makes it impossible for him to EVER have been a Natural Born Citizen.


46 posted on 12/05/2009 12:42:57 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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Weird posters today. Where is LorenC and the other troll bait today?


47 posted on 12/05/2009 12:45:57 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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48 posted on 12/05/2009 12:48:03 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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The short form is not accepted as proof of citizen for a job or a passport or as I understand it, even to play in little league.

Abstract (short form) BCs with a raised seal from all states except California and Texas are acceptable with the State Department as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for passport purposes. Pretty sure if you can use it for a passport, you can play little league with it as well.

49 posted on 12/05/2009 12:50:34 PM PST by Drew68
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To: FR_addict; Danae

And you are the expert to challenge anything Danae says?

I gently called Danae on an issue, which was very important as she brought it up. Never called her a liar or attempted to insult her.

She, after several months, got down to the business of learning more about what seemed to be an improbable story.

She pleaded that she was innocent the whole time and then learned that she had some erroneous information and how it came to be.

It was a big deal and I never insulted or questioned her position of expertise to present her case.

After acquitting herself most excellently, Danae is a very admired poster and has performed extensive research on this matter and been published in the Examiner.

Danae, I still hold you in the highest regard. You could have simply quit, never to be heard from again and yet you persisted in the face of some loud dissenters of your position.


50 posted on 12/05/2009 12:54:58 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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