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You may not be pro-Israel if...
Israpundit ^ | Dec 7/09 | Moshe Phillips

Posted on 12/07/2009 5:41:17 AM PST by tedbel

The recent media attention garnered by the relatively new J Street lobby necessitates an examination of the very notion of the term “Pro-Israel.” Until very recently the J Street was always self-branded as “Pro-Israel”.

Intensifying the matter is the case of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Emanuel spoke on November 10, 2009 at the General Assembly/GA of the Jewish Federations of North America, the largest and most important event on the U.S. Jewish establishment’s calendar. Emanuel has been called “Pro-Israel” by the media. It should be clear that the label “Pro-Israel” must be defined if the term is to be understood to have any meaning at all…

And so:

    You may not be “Pro-Israel” if you support the establishment of a “Palestinian State”.

    You may not be “Pro-Israel” if you think that there is any “Final Status” for Jerusalem other than as the Eternal and United Capitol of the State of Israel and the Jewish People.

    You may not be “Pro-Israel” if the words “Final Status” does not sound in your ears just too close to “Final Solution”.

    You may not be “Pro-Israel” if you fail to advocate the immediate relocation of the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

    You may not be “Pro-Israel” if you think that “East Jerusalem” is anything but a myth created to wrench Jerusalem away from Israel./ol


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: jstreet; proisrael; terror; twostatesolution

1 posted on 12/07/2009 5:41:17 AM PST by tedbel
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To: tedbel

I guess I AM Pro-Israel. :-)


2 posted on 12/07/2009 5:49:37 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: tedbel

Is one ANTI-Israel if one thinks that he should defer to the Israeli people on most of these questions?


3 posted on 12/07/2009 6:22:46 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: tedbel

Let’s lock all the Palestinians and Israelis into a big room, throw away the key and forget about them. Last survivor standing gets the land...


4 posted on 12/07/2009 6:48:00 AM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: sitetest
Possibly.

Is one anti-American if one leaves everything up to our president and Congress? Just could be.

5 posted on 12/07/2009 6:55:49 AM PST by firebrand
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To: tedbel

So...basically, a list of ten political reasons a person can be smeared as anti-semitic. Thanks, I guess, for the warning/threat.


6 posted on 12/07/2009 7:06:29 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: firebrand
Dear firebrand,

“Is one anti-American if one leaves everything up to our president and Congress? Just could be.”

I didn't say, “the Israeli executive and Knesset,” but rather, “the Israeli people.”

As well, I didn't say that I thought that everything that the Israeli people might decide to do would be good ideas. As an example, I'm kinda iffy on the whole Palestinian state project. My own preference would be to invite the arabs who occupy Judea and Samaria to leave for actual arab lands, like Jordan, Egypt, or other points north, south, or east.

Nonetheless, I'm not an Israeli, nor a Jew. It's hard for me to justify why my views should matter more than those of the folks who actually live in Israel, or folks with some sort of organic attachment thereto. I recognize that my own preferred solution may be seen by many WHO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE as impossible, and perhaps even undesirable.

And my own inclination is to defer to the judgment of the folks who actually live there.


sitetest

7 posted on 12/07/2009 7:11:00 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

You’re forgetting that our president and Congress were elected. That’s the method we have of taking the temperature of the American people. They were elected by people who do not have America’s best interests at heart.


8 posted on 12/07/2009 10:43:51 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Dear firebrand,

“You’re forgetting that our president and Congress were elected.”

I forgot nothing.

“That’s the method we have of taking the temperature of the American people.”

No, it's actually how we select our representatives.

It doesn't mean that the people generally endorse the policies chosen by these representatives. As an example, support for Obamacare is under 40%.

If those elected cared about what ordinary Americans thought, there would be no pending Obamacare legislation, no pending cap and trade legislation, no GM/Chrysler bailout, no TARP and no Porkulus.

But even if the people DID support these initiatives, I'd be hard-pressed to say that I'd especially want someone from outside the United States telling us what we should or shouldn't do.

Similarly, I don't think that I have much standing to tell Israelis how to run their country.


sitetest

9 posted on 12/07/2009 10:56:36 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
The low polling numbers were not true a year ago. We can't hold elections every year. Obama did not tell us exactly who he was and what he intended, a lot of people made a very bad mistake and have buyer's remorse, and there is no way to fix that easily until the next election.

In any case, my point is that just as some Americans are more pro-America than others, some Israelis and more pro-Israel than others. I didn't mean we should tell them what to do. We can't even do what's best for America.

10 posted on 12/07/2009 11:09:34 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Dear firebrand,

“The low polling numbers were not true a year ago. We can't hold elections every year. Obama did not tell us exactly who he was and what he intended, a lot of people made a very bad mistake and have buyer's remorse, and there is no way to fix that easily until the next election.”

All true. And it actually supports my assertion that although we elect our representatives, they don't necessarily represent what we think very well. Thus, the distinction between the elected leaders of a country, and the people of the country, itself.

“In any case, my point is that just as some Americans are more pro-America than others, some Israelis and more pro-Israel than others.”

Not especially relevant. I made clear that I might not agree with every position that is a consensus view among Israelis. I merely asked that if I thought that I should defer judgment to ACTUAL ISRAELIS on these issues, would it count as being anti-Israel? You haven't made the case that it would.


sitetest

11 posted on 12/07/2009 11:31:22 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

If you don’t think what I said is relevant, then I really don’t have anything else to say. You either know exactly what I mean and are arguing for the sake of saving face or ego, or else you don’t know what I mean. I don’t know which is worse.


12 posted on 12/07/2009 11:41:37 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Romulus

So...basically, a list of ten political reasons a person can be smeared as anti-semitic. Thanks, I guess, for the warning/threat...........

For paranoid loons, yes


13 posted on 12/07/2009 11:45:12 AM PST by dennisw
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To: firebrand
Dear firebrand,

“If you don’t think what I said is relevant, then I really don’t have anything else to say. You either know exactly what I mean and are arguing for the sake of saving face or ego, or else you don’t know what I mean.”

Actually, I was thinking pretty much the same thing about you.


sitetest

14 posted on 12/07/2009 11:46:49 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Thanks tedbel.
Until very recently the J Street was always self-branded as "Pro-Israel"... Emanuel has been called "Pro-Israel" by the media.
Obama's "pro-Israel" stance has probably been verified by the unbiased factcheck.org...
15 posted on 12/07/2009 6:18:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: dennisw

CONCISE BOOM!


16 posted on 12/08/2009 2:23:27 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: tedbel

Thanks for posting. I enjoy your blog.

JStreet is funded by Arabs. Since when have Arabs EVER funded anything pro-Israel.


17 posted on 12/08/2009 3:31:27 PM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: tedbel; BARLF; jazminerose; Kiss7; NordP; Big_Monkey; Patriot Babe; conservative cat; 444Flyer; ...
11. You may not be pro-Israel if you don't think it's biased reporting to refer to the IDF as nazis.

12. You may not be pro-Israel if you cried bitter tears when Bibi was elected, and you are a BBC reporter.

13. You may not be pro-Israel if you refer to Israel as "Occupied Palistine."

14. You may not be pro-Israel if your first name is Barack and your last name is Obama. Never mind that your middle name is Hussein.

15. You may not be pro-Israel if you've lived in a "refugee camp" for the last 40 years and your children's textbooks don't even have "Israel" on a map of the middle east.

This is the Bibi Ping List.


18 posted on 12/08/2009 3:54:02 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (G-d Bless President Bush. He kept us safe.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I’m pro Israel, and Bibi too!


19 posted on 12/08/2009 3:58:05 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I think it safe to say I am Pro Israel and Pro Bibi


20 posted on 12/08/2009 4:16:17 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I ditto the Pro Israel, Pro Prime Minister Netyanhu posters.)

Thanks for the ping...

21 posted on 12/08/2009 4:37:32 PM PST by BARLF
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To: stephenjohnbanker

‘Face and I are more pro-Bibi than you are!


22 posted on 12/08/2009 5:54:38 PM PST by Tax-chick (Here I come, with a sharp knife and a clear conscience!)
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To: Tax-chick

: )


23 posted on 12/08/2009 5:58:10 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Romulus
So...basically, a list of ten political reasons a person can be smeared as anti-semitic. Thanks, I guess, for the warning/threat.

Yes, those issues are certainly central to Catholic traditionalism. [/sarcasm]

24 posted on 12/08/2009 6:04:01 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (VeYisra'el 'ahav-'et Yosef mikkol-banayv ki-ven-zequnim hu' lo; ve`asah lo ketonet passim.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

His enemies will be forced to say “ya haBibi!”


25 posted on 12/08/2009 11:16:31 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Romulus

If the foo shi’tes, wear it..


26 posted on 12/08/2009 11:18:17 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: tedbel

bttt


27 posted on 12/08/2009 11:21:22 PM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!you)
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To: Romulus

Only if you consider G-d’s covenent to Abraham a political reason.


28 posted on 12/09/2009 7:19:50 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: dennisw

LOL


29 posted on 12/09/2009 7:23:15 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

The Lord is more generous than you suspect.


30 posted on 12/09/2009 8:10:37 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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