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FACT CHECK: Yes, Obama was born in the United States (BS propaganda needs freeping)
The Florida Times Union ^ | 11-29-2009 | Carole Fader

Posted on 12/07/2009 10:47:09 PM PST by Frantzie

More than a few Times-Union readers want to know:

Is Barack Obama eligible to be president of the United States?

All the independent fact-checking sources, some of which did extensive original research on the issue, conclude that Obama is a natural born citizen, having been born on American soil in Honolulu, and is thus eligible to be president.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; donofrio; factcheck; leodonofrio; obama; orlytaitz
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To: ASA Vet

Yes, but the specific text the birthers wish to cite was not translated until 1796.

And, if one were to be able to read the original text in French, the term “natural born citizen” would not come from a direct translation.

And finally, This is America and we are governed by our Constitution, not the the writings of Swiss philosophers.


41 posted on 12/08/2009 1:31:12 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Frantzie
It doesn't matter if he was berfed in the middle of Kansas like his skanky baby momma!

His baby daddy was a FOREIGNER!!!

He's NOT a NBC.

42 posted on 12/08/2009 1:31:54 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: trumandogz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T7wsX5BH0

:)


43 posted on 12/08/2009 1:37:08 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Hope rides alone.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
His baby daddy was a FOREIGNER!!!

He's NOT a NBC.

And you have nothing whatsoever to back-up that claim.

No citation from the Constitution

No Federal Legislation

No Court Decision

44 posted on 12/08/2009 1:37:40 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Listen to music plox :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T7wsX5BH0


45 posted on 12/08/2009 1:39:36 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (?io/\/i/ntruder)
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To: Frantzie; All

That ship has sailed. We need to focus on defeating his communist proposals.


46 posted on 12/08/2009 2:33:52 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Frantzie

American socialists are employing the “Big Lie” tactic, promulgated by this infamous German Socialist, Adolf Hitler — they’re good at it — and the ObamaMedia is their megaphone.

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf for a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”.

The source of Big Lie technique, from Chapter 10 of Mein Kampf:

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true in itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie


47 posted on 12/08/2009 2:40:46 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Frantzie

I think this winter there will be a LOT of unemployed people willing to make a few dollars here and there as investigators to talk to any people that may have known Obama as he grew up.

All it takes is someone to get a small fund set up and organize this.

I do believe WND will pay for any new information.

Obamas past will never be hidden forever, the truth will arise.


48 posted on 12/08/2009 2:54:59 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Would spring please arrive early, My new motorcycle awaits to run free and wild.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I don’t think Obama even knows the truth, he did that little trip to Hawaii, didn’t get a birth certificate from a hospital to shove in our faces, so now only can rely on that Certificate of Live Birth, of course not really being able to verify where he was born, but secretly wishing it was Africa


49 posted on 12/08/2009 2:59:58 AM PST by Son House (The Learning Curve for Democrats on Macroeconomics is getting Exponential)
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To: Frantzie
All the independent fact-checking sources, some of which did extensive original research on the issue, conclude that Obama is a natural born citizen, having been born on American soil in Honolulu, and is thus eligible to be president.

Isn't this a remarkable statement to see in a newspaper one year after the Kenyan Clown was elected?

Just the fact that publishing such bland assurances that reputable "fact-checking" sources have verified that the occupant of the Oval Office was actually born here is even felt to be necessary is a huge red flag that something is very rotten.

Worse, this has all the characteristics of the "Big Lie": a remarkable statement is repeated almost daily by the MSM, and the "sources" given are the same old highly questionable ones. Snopes, for goodness sake, is simply a small site that is merely repeating what the Annenberg "FactCheck" website has put out --- and the Kenyan Clown's connections with the Annenberg Foundation are extensive and well-known.

This article cites FactCheck no less than 11 times, and no other non-derivative source. It's hard to believe that anyone could write and sign her name to such a silly, tendentious piece of tripe as Ms. Fader has here.

Why these idiots in the media cannot be bothered to actually do investigating more difficult than one year of cutting and pasting from the same highly dubious "FactCheck" website should be a textbook case in journalistic laziness and stupidity. It's not hard to see why readership of the MSM is falling so quickly.

50 posted on 12/08/2009 3:14:20 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: trumandogz
Chapters 1 & 2 should prove to be interesting.

Oxford University Press USA

America and the Law of Nations 1776-1939
Mark Weston Janis

ISBN13: 9780199579341
ISBN10: 0199579342 Hardback, 320 pages
Jun 2010, Not Yet Published

Description
The American Tradition of International Law 1776-1939 is a unique exploration of the ways in which Americans have
perceived, applied, advanced, and frustrated international law.
It demonstrates the varieties and continuities of America's approaches to international law.
The book begins with the important role the law of nations played for founders like Jefferson and Madison
in framing the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
It then discusses the intellectual contributions to international law made by leaders in the New Republic -Kent and Wheaton-
and the place of international law in the 19th century judgments of Marshall, Story, and Taney.
The book goes on to examine the contributions of American utopians -Dodge, Worcester, Ladd, Burritt, and Carnegie-
to the establishment of the League of Nations, the World Court,
the International Law Association and the American Society of International Law.
It finishes with an analysis of the wavering support to international law given by Woodrow Wilson
and the emergence of a new American isolationism following the disappointment of World War I.

For anyone who hopes to understand the important place of international law in America and the
complex role of America in the development of international law,
The American Tradition of International Law 1776-1939 is a crucial read.

Table of Contents
1. The Law of Nations and the New Republic: Jefferson and Madison
2. The Law of Nations and International Law: Blackstone and Bentham
3. International Law and American Law: Marshall and Story
4. The International Law of Christendom: Kent and Wheaton
5. International Law and American Diplomacy: Jay and Webster
6. The Utopians: Dodge, Worcester, Ladd and Burritt
7. Slavery and American Exceptionalism: Taney and his Court
8. The Codification and Science of International Law: Lieber, Field and Wharton
9. The Alabama Arbitration and its Progeny: The International Law Association and the American Society of International Law
10. The New Utopians: Brace, Hill and Carnegie
11. The Reluctant International Law Enthusiast: Wilson
12. The Profession of International Law: Root and Scott
13. After Utopia: International Law and Isolationism

About the Author(s)
Mark Weston Janis is William F. Starr Professor of Law at the University of Connecticut School of Law.
Born in Chicago in 1947, he is a graduate of Princeton (A.B. 1969),
Oxford (B.A. 1972) where he was a Rhodes scholar, and Harvard (J.D. 1977).
He served as a U.S. naval officer (1972-75), and practiced international corporate and financial law
with Sullivan & Cromwell in New York and Paris (1977-80).
He first joined the faculty at Connecticut in 1980.
He was for four years (1993-97) a member of the law faculty of the University of Oxford in England
where he was Reader in Law, Fellow of Exeter College, and Director of Graduate Legal Studies (Research Degrees).
He is the author of three widely-adopted law school books:
An Introduction to International Law (Aspen 5th edn 2008),
Cases and Commentary on International Law (West 3rd edn 2006),
and European Human Rights Law (OUP 3rd edn 2008).
He has also published more than 50 articles on international law.

51 posted on 12/08/2009 3:19:02 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: trumandogz
Title:
Jefferson and the Law of Nations.

Main Author:
Louis Sears

Summary/Abstract:
TJ was versed in the classic sources of international law, e.g. Grotius, Vattel, Puffendorf,
but in face of the collapse of this "classical" school, he became a significant figure in the attempt
to "reconstitute a new law of nations," even while appealing to the old authorities.
The Embargo was a "grand experiment" whose failure was a "tragedy."
Published in Spanish as "Jefferson y el derecho de las naciones." Inter-America. 4(1920), 181-93. -- Frank Shuffelton

Found in: American Political Science Review. Vol 13, 1919.

52 posted on 12/08/2009 3:23:02 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Frantzie
No Obama was not born in the USA. A colleague told us last night his wife is a nurse and they've seen his birth certificate all over Kenya showing where Obama was born in KENYA. The media cover up and the usurpation of our Constitution continues. The Democrats, with the help of the media, have committed a political Coup d 'etat while we were watching.
53 posted on 12/08/2009 3:23:44 AM PST by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: trumandogz

I am very puzzled with your statement about America being governed by the Constitution.

Why would any patriotic American back anyone that is so set on destroying it and our Nation?


54 posted on 12/08/2009 3:51:50 AM PST by seemoAR (Stupidity breeds.)
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To: Paige
“The Hippies Who "Certified" Obama (Get a look at the 2 child-hippies who certified our "president")”


Kenya Sunday Standard headline — “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate”

The Nigerian Observer — “Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win. The Kenyan-born Senator will…”

USAfrica — “Kenyan-born OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination of U. S. Democratic party; eyes on White House…”

AllAfrica.com — ” Little wonder then why Kenyan-born Barack Obama, America’s first Black President…”


GraphicGhana.com — “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this
presidential visit to the continent of his birth.” The same article, with the same quote, appeared in ModernGhana.com.

The Ghana Times — “So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the African-American Senator from Illinois state. A Congressional Quarterly
(CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rivel, John McCain.”

From the comment section:
(”AmericanDaughter“) NPR.org — “…She also describes the stories that have been exciting, including the U.S. presidential race of Kenyan-born Sen. Barack Obama.”

(”AmericanDaughter“) AllAfrica.com — “Kampala — Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan born-senator, Barack Obama for the US presidency.” "


“Kenyan Historian: It's Odd that Kenyan Luo Tribe Member (Obama) Elected President in US Before Kenya (Audio)
We already knew that Barack Obama's brother Malik was a Luo activist and a militant Muslim
who argued that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture."




“Article in Nairobi Paper June 2004 - Barack born in Africa
An ongoing poll by AOL News currently shows that 58% of Americans have doubts
about Obama’s citizenship. The poll was started on July 28 and continues — you can go
here to vote. And lest you think that this survey is being conducted in a very anti-Obama
venue, the title of the article is Birthers, Beer and Stuck on ‘Stupidly’ — it is an
environment contemptuous of skeptics. So we can conclude that the results of their poll
are not what they were hoping for.

A scant five years ago, Barack Obama was a little known Illinois state politician, aspiring
to move up to the United States Senate. Undoubtedly, the Marxist handlers behind this
Manchurian candidate had long range plans to capture the US presidency since he was
groomed as a youth by Frank Marshall Davis. But the general public and the press were
not privy to this information.

At that time, there would have been no reason to fabricate a story about Obama’s birth
that would disqualify him for the highest US office. This would be especially true for an
African paper that was simply proud of their native son. So it is reasonable to take the
press clippings of the day at face value. The following item has been on the web all
along, but apparently did not get much attention. It is a June 2004 article from the online
version of the East African Standard, an English-language paper published in Nairobi,
Kenya, titled Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate.“


Br> “US Presidential Polls:Obama, McCain slug it out today
WASHINGTON – Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with
Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win.
The Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face a stiff competition from his Republican
counterpart, John McCain who has taken the presidential battle to the finishing line with
vigorous campaign strategies.”


“Americans Decide Today - go Obama (this site hasn't been scrubbed yet)
So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the African-American Senator from Illinois State .
A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rival, Senator McCain.”


“D.C. Tech Official Is Accused of Bribery(Birth Certificate Forgery)
A D.C. government official and a business executive were arrested yesterday on bribery
charges involving city technology contracts that included "ghost" workers and
kickbacks, federal authorities said. Until recently, the technology office was headed
by Vivek Kundra, who has taken a job as President Obama's chief information officer.
A White House official confirmed last night that Kundra has taken a leave of absence.
“Yusuf Acar, 40, who has worked in the technology office since 2004, was charged with
bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and conflict of interest.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Hibarger told a federal judge that Acar is a flight risk because agents
seized $70,000 in cash in his house and because in recorded conversations, he boasted that he could easily flee to his native Turkey.
Acar also told the informant that he could use
computers to create fake D.C. birth certificates
, Hibarger said. “


"Security Breach May Lead To Obama Natural Born Status
A series of 2008 security breaches at the US State Department may indicate that someone knows Barack Obama’s true status as a natural born citizen - and is waiting for the right time to reveal it. The breaches, which occurred on January 9, February 21 and March 14 of 2008, were done by two “low level” contractors and another in a mid-level position with no management role.
... An investigation of the incidents revealed that all three major presidential candidates - Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain - had their passport files compromised.
... News of the security breaches prompted a statement from then-Senator Joseph Biden, who had not yet been chosen as Obama’s running mate. Biden, who was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, had oversight of the Foreign Service and the passport office.

“I am deeply troubled that State Department contract employees sought access to Sen. Barack Obama’s passport files,” the statement from Biden read. “Firing or disciplining those responsible is an important first step. But we need to understand why these employees had access to this information in the first place, why they sought the information, and why it took over two months for this matter to come to light. I urge the Secretary of State to promptly refer this matter to the State Department Inspector General for investigation.”
... On April 5, 2008, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Passport Services Ann Barrett resigned from her post after a credit card scheme using US passport date was uncovered by the security probe. State Department Spokesman Tom Casey told The Washington Times that 24-year-old Lieutenant Quarles Harris Jr. told federal authorities he obtained “passport information from a co-conspirator who works for the U.S. Department of State.”

From The Washington Times report:
The investigation began after Metropolitan Police on March 25 pulled over Mr. Harris in Southeast on suspicion that the windows of his vehicle were tinted too darkly.
After searching Mr. Harris and his vehicle, police found marijuana and 21 credit cards that were not issued in his name or the name of a female passenger with him. Police also found eight printouts of State Department passport applications, and four of the names on the applications matched four of the credit cards.
Upon questioning by agents from the U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Postal Service and State Department, Mr. Harris “admitted he obtained the passport information” from a State Department employee, court documents say.

Mr. Harris also said the fraud ring submitted credit-card applications using the names and “identifying information” of the persons listed on the passport applications, and that a postal service employee then would intercept the cards before they were delivered to the appropriate residences.
Then, on April 17, 2008, Lt. Harris was found fatally shot dead slumped over the steering wheel of his car in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast DC."


Key Witness in Presidential Passport Tampering Case Murdered in 2008, No Arrests
On April 8, 2008, Obama confessed to having taken a trip to Pakistan in 1981. Here is what Obama said - Jake Tapper was there:
"So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."
... Much speculation has been made about what national passport Obama used when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981.
So Obama confessed to this trip two weeks after his passport was tampered with.


.... A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday. Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department's Criminal Investigations Division.
Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car."


"Mysterious Dead Person Connected To 2008 Elections
The Washington Times reported April 5 that contractors for the State Department had improperly accessed passport information
for presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, which resulted in a series of firings that reached into the agency's top ranks."


55 posted on 12/08/2009 4:33:11 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Diogenesis; Frantzie
The date of this newspaper article coincides with the date the new Kerchner ad (3 monkeys, i.e., Congress, Courts, and Media who see, hear, and speak no evil) appeared in the Washington Times.

The DNC controls what many newspapers write. Have you checked their website? Are they directly sourcing this propaganda?

56 posted on 12/08/2009 4:46:14 AM PST by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: Frantzie

Why do these Deadhead NewsRags keep this issue alive? Most thinking people know not to rely on fraud Fact Checkers & realize BO is the Pig in the Poke liar but this doesn’t make any sense to me.


57 posted on 12/08/2009 4:55:54 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Frantzie

Why is it that only certain individuals can see the “original” birth certificate? What is being hidden away and, well, we know why. It’s obvious.


58 posted on 12/08/2009 5:05:55 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: ConservaTexan

That too, I believe, is incorrect. As a child born in 1961, Barry Jr., was actually a British subject, because Kenya did not achieve formal independence from Britian until 1964. (By then I believe his “father” was shacked up with some other lady-loser, adding to his horde of bastard children between swigs of alcohol and rants against “the man”.)

Regardless, my biggest question in this whole matter is WHY spend upwards of $1.7M to keep original documentation of your past a secret???


59 posted on 12/08/2009 5:39:59 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: Dryman

OK fine, if someone wants to say he’s a full American citizen, we’ll yield the point.

Now show us the long-form birth certificate anyway.

If he has nothing to hide, then there is no problem. Right?


60 posted on 12/08/2009 7:36:52 AM PST by DNME (We are now under a state of national emergency (for H1N1) so Katie bar the door!)
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