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Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
The Post and Email ^ | Dec. 11, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti

STAR BULLETIN EDITION OF AUG. 14TH, ON FILE AT BERKLEY IDENTICAL TO PUBLISHED IMAGES by John Charlton

The Post & Email has just received PDF files from a highly credible source, establishing that the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic.

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To: mojitojoe

The trolls really are on this thread like flies on dung.

One of their arguments is that “birthers” who focus on the eligiblity issue make themselves into fringe kooks which helps 0bama. This is such a lame after the fact invention - so transparent too.

It’s a vain attempt to shut people up, that’s all.


301 posted on 12/11/2009 6:48:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: OafOfOffice

tired old conservative is tired and old, that’s it.


302 posted on 12/11/2009 6:48:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: mojitojoe
My wife belongs to a fashion forum and some of the worst trolls are some of the oldest members

Trolls on a "fashion form"???

303 posted on 12/11/2009 7:00:08 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: OafOfOffice
“What do you need to demonstrate Obama is a fraud?”

I need evidence, not disjointed emotional ranting.

You know, that whole rule of law thing Western civilization prides itself on? Do you understand that no one, however much you dislike them, is required to prove they didn't commit a crime? You are required to prove they did, meeting minimum evidentiary standards along the way.

You seem to assume your sense of outrage constitutes evidence. I must regretfully inform that it does not.

304 posted on 12/11/2009 7:07:28 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: little jeremiah

Wow. Did you come up with that on your own, or do you have someone write your material?


305 posted on 12/11/2009 7:10:22 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Red Steel

In your opinion. Courts are on record disagreeing.
Nope. The courts have avoided the issue.


Not the Indiana Court of Appeals in the case of Ankeny v The Governor of Indiana. That court decided that both John McCain and Barack Obama meet the constitutional definition of natural born citizens.
Time will tell whether the Indiana Appeals Court’s decision will be appealed and upheld or reversed at a higher judicial level.
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/ankeny-v-gov-of-indiana-natural-born-defined-born-on-us-soil-regardless-of-citizenship-parents/#more-7312


306 posted on 12/11/2009 7:12:53 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Zman516
Your “father Unknown” theory sounds plausible to me.

Dunham was probably porking several black guys and BHO Sr. was the only one dumb enough to believe he was the only one, and therefore the father, allowing Dunham to use his name ex post facto of the actual birth.

"Father Unknown" on the BC is plausible but suppose instead that there is some other man's name entered as the father on the BC? That would shoot to hell all of Zero's talk about his "daddy" not to mention the book.

307 posted on 12/11/2009 7:20:00 PM PST by An American In Dairyland (Green is the new RED)
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To: LibertarianAdam

Though your post was not address to me, I’m going to answer your question.

The birth certificate is, for the most part, simply a start. It is a way to get the public’s attention and to have them wonder why the President of the US would go into court and fight showing his birth certificate; a document we’ve all had to show numerous times for various governmental and non-governmental matters. I will say this, there is no way possible for the COLB released by factcheck.org to be genuine, absolutely no way and I’m still waiting for a so called “anti-birther” to explain to me how it could be given that facts we know.

I also do not believe he is ineligible to be president and it has nothing to do with what is on his Hawaiian birth certificate.

Forget his birth for a second.

At age 6 (from what we have been told) Obama was adopted by an Indonesian citizen, Lolo Seotoro. At that point his name was legally changed to Barry Seotoro and he moved to Indonesia becoming an Indonesian Citizen. We know he was listed as an citizen of Indonesia from his school records.

John Jay in his letter to Washington of July 1785 made the suggestion that no person should be allowed to become President of the US who has allegiance to any other country. Jay’s suggestion was taken seriously by Washington as well as the founders and without descent the condition of being a Natural Born Citizen was inserted into the Constitution only for the office of President.

Obama becoming a citizen of Indonesia, added to his admitted dual British citizenship at birth puts him directly against what Jay intended and our founders accepted, allegiance to three different countries (US, Britain and Indonesia). Simply put, Obama does not qualify by any means as to the original intent of the founders. Yes, we need a court ruling to this effect, that I fully admit but Obama has more problems then eligibility.

Obama was legally adopted yet we are missing some important documents that prove he is even legally a citizen of this country.

Where and when did he legally change his name to Barack H. Obama? Where is the court paperwork?

How did he change his birth certificate from a legal adoption by Lolo Seotoro; back to BHO Sr?

I have a similar situation as Obama. While I know who my biological father is, I too was adopted by my “step-father” at age 6. For reasons that I will not go into here, I do not consider him my “father” and in fact have a relationship now with his family, not him. However, he is still legally my Father. His name appears on my birth certificate and there is nothing I can do to change that. A legal adoption does not allow for me to go back and say “I don’t want him as my Father anymore, take his name off my birth certificate”. Obama’s adoption would have done the same.

Combine Obama’s Indonesian problem with his Kenyan problem and I can not see how anyone who takes a look at his background can not question it.

Obama’s birth certificate SHOULD show he was born in Hawaii, his father listed as Lolo Seotoro. His B/C could NOT say his father is Barack H. Obama Sr. not unless he and his family has lied about Lolo Seotoro. What Obama is said to have released shows BHO Sr. as father. This is a legal impossibility and only one reason why he should allow Hawaii to release his full record.

Aside from his b/c problems there are questions that need to be answered about his citizenship. When did he retake his American citizenship? Is he even an American citizen?

While in many ways the B/C is to get the attention of the American public, it is the first of many documents that need to be released. Do we not have a right to know who is sitting in the most powerful office in the world?

For those who believe there are no questions, PLEASE explain to me how he could have been adopted by Lolo Seotoro but is now Barack H. Obama. Hmmmmmm?


308 posted on 12/11/2009 7:32:56 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: F15Eagle
LOL! No /sarc tag necessary.

Hey now that I think of it that *lovely* (/sarc) plate would make a nice Christmas gift for an Obot I know. She would cherish it forever (barf again!)

309 posted on 12/11/2009 7:36:53 PM PST by thecraw (God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)
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To: mojitojoe

Man, you are all over NS today. LOL


310 posted on 12/11/2009 7:45:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: F15Eagle
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311 posted on 12/11/2009 7:55:15 PM PST by thecraw (God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)
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To: jamese777
According to that Demo appointed judge, anchor babies are natural born citizens.

From your link:

[14] We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language is immaterial.

The judge gets it right in this aspect that Ark was not a natural born citizen but draws the incorrect conclusion. Every case from about 1850 to 1952 which had mentioned case subjects with foreign parent(s) and were born in the United States, were called 'native born' and none were called natural born citizens. Except, in the case of 1939, Perkins v. Elg, were Miss Elg was correctly called a Natural Born Citizen. The US Supreme Court have consistently differentiated 'native born' versus 'natural born' were this judge Dreyer has conflated them to be the same.

For the foregoing reasons, we affirm the trial court‟s grant of the Governor‟s motion to dismiss. Affirmed.

The case never made it to trail thus avoiding uncertainty in the issue where the judge would have less control.

312 posted on 12/11/2009 8:17:48 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

trail = trial


313 posted on 12/11/2009 8:18:24 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Captain Kirk
Unlike Obama, BOTH of his parents were non-citizens at the time of his birth.

Can you provide a source that they were NOT naturalized???

314 posted on 12/11/2009 9:06:49 PM PST by danamco
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To: Red Steel

The two other Indiana Appeals Court justices who heard the Ankeny case on appeal concurred with the judge who wrote the opinion.
Thus far plaintiffs have won no judgements challenging Obama’s eligibility at the state, state appeals, state Supreme Courts, federal, federal appeals or US Supreme Court. Judgements have gone in Obama’s favor in 66 lawsuits.
The way to resolve this issue is to get the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark Bennett to subpoena Obama’s vault copy, long form birth certificate and convene a Grand Jury with expert testimony to see if the original document and the short form COLB that Obama posted on the internet are identical and valid.


315 posted on 12/11/2009 9:26:06 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Red Steel

The case never made it to trail thus avoiding uncertainty in the issue where the judge would have less control.


Appeals courts don’t conduct trials, they hear appeals of lower court decisions. This was a three judge panel hearing the appeal of a lower court decision which decided that Mitch Daniels, the Republican Governor of Indiana DID properly verify the credentials of the candidates and that their electors were valid.
The plaintiffs in this case can appeal this decision to the Indiana Supreme Court and then on to the US Supreme Court but thus far, the US Supreme Court has refused to hear any of 7 cases challenging Obama’s eligibility.


316 posted on 12/11/2009 9:37:41 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
IMO, judges have no backbone on this issue and are punting and making tenuous excuses at every turn. It's tooooo much of a hot political football for them.

Thus far plaintiffs have won no judgements challenging Obama’s eligibility at the state, state appeals, state Supreme Courts, federal, federal appeals or US Supreme Court. Judgements have gone in Obama’s favor in 66 lawsuits.

And as I said before, none of them have let this go to trial. The uncertainty factor is too much for them to do that which they believe the fallout or pressure of a trial may shatter their little balls...if they had any.

317 posted on 12/11/2009 9:44:32 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: jamese777
Appeals courts don’t conduct trials, they hear appeals of lower court decisions.

Well of course.

the US Supreme Court has refused to hear any of 7 cases challenging Obama’s eligibility

They refuse to hear most cases sent to them; doesn't mean they won't hear an eligibility case in the future.

318 posted on 12/11/2009 9:52:17 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: thecraw

Years from now, show the U.S. survive that long, people will be very embarrassed they bought those “collector” plates.


319 posted on 12/11/2009 9:57:34 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: El Sordo
Hawaii has a Republican Governor, Lt Governor and Attorney General.

Think they’re in on it?


Apparently the Attorney General worked with Fukino to draft that incredible proclamtion that Barry was a 'natural-born American citizen' and 'born in Hawaii'.

People have submitted UIPA(Uniform Information Practices Act) requests to reveal the documents they used to arrive at this public announcement. Hopefully, we'll see how deep this rabbit hole goes. We know what's wafting out of that hole and it stinks as bad as the Obama rumpswabs on this thread. ;)
320 posted on 12/11/2009 10:05:02 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Red Steel
“IMO, judges have no backbone on this issue and are punting and making tenuous excuses at every turn. It's tooooo much of a hot political football for them... And as I said before, none of them have let this go to trial. The uncertainty factor is too much for them to do that which they believe the fallout or pressure of a trial may shatter their little balls...if they had any.”

I'm sorry, but that's juvenile bar talk. It's completely uninformed on both the legal system and judges, which is the problem with this stuff. It has a mindset that simply will not accept outcomes at odds with what it wants, so it mindlessly denigrates anyone or anything that yields those inevitable outcomes. Just like Judge Carter was the hero Marine until he became the traitor sell-out. That type of reaction says far more about the people who offer it than it ever will about the objects of their ire.

321 posted on 12/11/2009 11:07:08 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
It has a mindset that simply will not accept outcomes at odds with what it wants, so it mindlessly denigrates anyone or anything that yields those inevitable outcomes. Just like Judge Carter was the hero Marine until he became the traitor sell-out. That type of reaction says far more about the people who offer it than it ever will about the objects of their ire.

Simple Mindset? Not the case. I don't agree with the courts on their decisions not to let the cases go forward on the merits. They may very well not have the intestinal fortitude to take on the hot potato. As for judge Carter, I have never put him on a pedestal because he was a Marine, but I do think he shrank by not settling the case on its merits.

322 posted on 12/11/2009 11:19:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Captain Kirk

Not necessarily. If he WAS born outside the US, she could not have conferred citizenship, as she had NOT resided IN the US the requisite five years after her 15th birthday, as she was only like 19 when he was born. If he WAS born in Hawaii, it would be OK but for that niggling little issue of his father’s citizenship, as a British subject. I’m thinking that a dual citizenship, with its divided loyalties, is NOT something the Founders would approve.


323 posted on 12/12/2009 1:05:58 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
>"A COLB will suffice."

That or if it goes to court, a few post on twitter can be used as evidence.

324 posted on 12/12/2009 1:08:07 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: curiosity
>"her status as a US citizen would entitle her to naturalize her son as soon as she returned to the USA."

Yes, but he would still not be NBC, just a naturalized.

However, she moved to Indonesia, where little bammy became an INDONESIAN CITIZEN, enrolled in an Indonesian madrasa, and learned to be a good America hating muzzie!

What was the date he renounced his Indonesian citizenship???????

325 posted on 12/12/2009 1:19:17 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: tired_old_conservative

Since you are old and tired, have you personally used “photo-shop” or have you seen how it work???


326 posted on 12/12/2009 1:21:25 AM PST by danamco
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To: tired_old_conservative

Since you are old and tired, I will ask you; have you personally used “photo-shop” or have you even seen how it work on a computer???


327 posted on 12/12/2009 1:22:52 AM PST by danamco
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To: Captain Kirk

Her’s is ONE who showed his long-form, that he could have denied???

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11110505/JohnMcCain-Birth-Certificate-long-and-short-form-Colon-Panama-1936


328 posted on 12/12/2009 1:30:06 AM PST by danamco
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To: OafOfOffice

It was sad to see the family “victims” from 9/11 on Hannity last night!!!

Holder should be impeached???


329 posted on 12/12/2009 1:39:11 AM PST by danamco
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To: Non-Sequitur
Then the same can be said of any document, correct? So what constitutes proof of anything any more?

Noooo, not if you see the long-forms posted at #215!!!

Did you see them, born at the same hospital???

330 posted on 12/12/2009 1:44:03 AM PST by danamco
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To: Non-Sequitur
That's because Clinton was sued for something he was supposed to have done while governor, not president.

This comment needs to be framed in F.R.'s hall of fame for a superior clown!!!

Did Soetoro get his B.C. AFTER he became the usurper (the de-facto) in the W.H.???

331 posted on 12/12/2009 1:53:25 AM PST by danamco
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To: mojitojoe

And, how many are they???


332 posted on 12/12/2009 1:55:33 AM PST by danamco
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To: curiosity
However, because his mother was a US citizen, he would be entitled to a nonquota immigrant visa, easily obtained from any US consolate, allowing him to legally enter the US with his mother.

Have you ever personally dealt with any US consulates on an immigration issue in the sixties???

333 posted on 12/12/2009 2:02:32 AM PST by danamco
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To: Non-Sequitur; mojitojoe

ONLY a pervert can carry on!!!


334 posted on 12/12/2009 2:05:44 AM PST by danamco
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To: curiosity

Their B.C. issue, which is not important at all, was to game the system and that is what they have done all their lives with multiple S.S. numbers,etc.!!!


335 posted on 12/12/2009 2:09:53 AM PST by danamco
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To: OafOfOffice
Goodnight tired. Your posts are merely obama/axelrod talking points.

BINGO. And have been for a long time here!!!

336 posted on 12/12/2009 2:26:37 AM PST by danamco
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To: Brytani

Now you are upsetting the cart, because this is something the “After-Birther” cannot understand, they are totally focused on an irrelevant B.C.!!!


337 posted on 12/12/2009 2:34:10 AM PST by danamco
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To: Electric Graffiti
People have submitted UIPA(Uniform Information Practices Act) requests to reveal the documents they used to arrive at this public announcement.

Several people have got the answer including me and Leo Donofrio: "Access Denied"!!!

338 posted on 12/12/2009 2:39:47 AM PST by danamco
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To: tired_old_conservative
Just like Judge Carter was the hero Marine until he became the traitor sell-out.

But did he NOT then hire a clerk from the Soetoro camp???

339 posted on 12/12/2009 2:42:35 AM PST by danamco
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To: mojitojoe

Your photo got me thinking again about how come we have never, ever heard about or from BHO’s ex-(female) girlfriends? He didn’t get married until he was 35 or somethin’ like that.

And doesn’t Michelle look a little too masculine...you know what they say about ‘those’ relationships....just sayin’


340 posted on 12/12/2009 4:11:19 AM PST by bjorn14 (Waterboard Obama. See if he knows anything.)
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To: danamco
ONLY a pervert can carry on!!!

I will defer to your expertise in perverts.

341 posted on 12/12/2009 5:08:30 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: OafOfOffice
Okay, so obama was suppose to be vetted properly before he became eligible to run for POTUS.

By who?

Obama cannot prove his eligibility now or he refuses to do so.

Or doesn't have to. Any more than Bush or Reagan or Clinton or any other president has had to.

This happened before he was president and was a senator.

No, most of these suits have been filed after he became president and challenge his eligibility for the office and not his eligibility to run. The U.S. Attorney's office handles the defense. Those suits that were filed before the inauguration were defended by private counsel. But in the overwhelming majority of the cases, Obama has not had to produce a defense at all. In the 62 or so Birther cases that have been filed, only 10 required a lawyer appear in Obama's defense. Three of those were before inauguration day so a private attorney was involved and seven were handled by the U.S. Attorney's office.

342 posted on 12/12/2009 5:15:05 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: danamco
So the two are even?

Even in that both are equally meaningless. Non-binding resolutions are just that, non-binding. They have no meaning in law other than to express a sense of the body that passes it.

343 posted on 12/12/2009 5:16:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: danamco
Not a future president (usurper), but because they then could game the system with multiple social security numbers and the like!!!

Do you even believe half the stuff you post?

344 posted on 12/12/2009 5:17:36 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: danamco
Noooo, not if you see the long-forms posted at #215!!!

But you said it's easy to fake any document on any computer with the right software. How do we know the ones in #215 aren't fake as well?

345 posted on 12/12/2009 5:19:05 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: danamco
This comment needs to be framed in F.R.'s hall of fame for a superior clown!!!

And you're just the clown to frame it, aren't you?

Did Soetoro get his B.C. AFTER he became the usurper (the de-facto) in the W.H.???

Well show that he did and you have a case for him having to provide his own lawyers.

346 posted on 12/12/2009 5:20:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: MilspecRob; mojitojoe
NS has been here a lot longer then you joe

Yeah, but mojitojoe has been an ignorant jackass for a lot longer than me so it evens out.

347 posted on 12/12/2009 5:23:02 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Red Steel

Standing is a merit.


348 posted on 12/12/2009 6:04:22 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: curiosity
Now why would she risk a felony fraud conviction when she could obtain citizenship for her son through perfectly legal means?

Isn't it obvious? It's because she and her family knew that their baby would grow up to be the 44th President of the United States.

349 posted on 12/12/2009 6:20:41 AM PST by Kleon
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To: rawcatslyentist
However, she moved to Indonesia, where little bammy became an INDONESIAN CITIZEN,

Care to explain how a minor child renounces his US citizenship?

350 posted on 12/12/2009 6:33:46 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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