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Fresh Salamander Tissue Found in Solid Rock
ICR News ^ | December 11, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/11/2009 8:38:32 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Researchers have described remarkably well-preserved tissue discovered inside a salamander fossil. The fully intact muscle tissues also had blood-filled vessels, and they had not been mineralized like most fossils. This “fresh meat” find is depicted as the “highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record.”[1] But given its assigned age of 18 million years old, it shouldn’t be there at all...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: btmspussout; catastrophism; catholic; christianright; creation; crevolist; evangelical; evolution; intelligentdesign; judaism; juicydinosteak; protestant; science; spain
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To: hurly
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!-hurley tagline

Speaking of small minds...


41 posted on 12/11/2009 9:15:07 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: hurly
Big deal, your fellow evos treated the human-caused global warming skeptics the same way, and look where that got them. Indeed, they equated any scientist who doubts human-caused global warming to young-age creationists...oh the sweet irony!!!
42 posted on 12/11/2009 9:15:20 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: lbama

think dessicated/mummified under unusual circumstances.


43 posted on 12/11/2009 9:15:20 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

From the source: ”We noticed that there had been very little degradation since it was originally fossilised about 18 million years ago, making it the highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record.”

So quit being stupid. It’s not “fresh tissue” its not even tissue - its a fossil.

So you and all your “creation science” fawning fan club can put your “fresh meat” analogies away. A fossil is not meat.


44 posted on 12/11/2009 9:15:39 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: hurly
Big deal, your fellow evos treated the human-caused global warming skeptics the same way, and look where that got them. Indeed, they equat any scientist who doubts human-caused global warming to young-age creationists...oh the sweet irony!!!
45 posted on 12/11/2009 9:15:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: mnehring

Specific evidence please.

BTW...Are you saying that the soft tissue of the T. Rex and Hadrosaur were also replaced by exogenous organic minerals?


46 posted on 12/11/2009 9:20:10 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; hurly

And you merrily follow the talibani creationists right back to the 7th century, and straight to gates of hell...


47 posted on 12/11/2009 9:20:48 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Wacka
It’s Tempe.

But, I-75 doesn't run through Tempe, but it does go through Tampa.

48 posted on 12/11/2009 9:22:19 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: RFEngineer

As I said, there seems to be a bit of confustion as to what to call these specimins. But “organically preserved” muscle tissue, complete with blood vessels infilled with blood, is not what is traditionally understood as “fossilized.” In fact, these kinds of soft-tissue finds in supposedly “ancient” “fossils” are typically referred to by paleontologists as “fresh meat” finds.

But you are free to bury your head in the sand as many times as you wish. Unfortunately, no matter how many times you pull your head out, the soft-tissue will still be organically preserved soft tissue.


49 posted on 12/11/2009 9:25:43 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: hennie pennie

50 posted on 12/11/2009 9:26:50 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here is an excerpt from the abstract in the original paper (underlining mine): The muscle is preserved organically, in three dimensions, and with the highest fidelity of morphological preservation yet documented from the fossil record. Preserved ultrastructural details include myofilaments, endomysium, layering within the sarcolemma, and endomysial circulatory vessels infilled with blood. Slight differences between the fossil tissues and their counterparts in extant amphibians reflect limited degradation during fossilization.

This is a fossil with organic (carbon containing) materials, vs the normal minerals. Same situation occurs when fossils are found in coal.

Why do you and BTMS* continue to lie?

51 posted on 12/11/2009 9:27:33 AM PST by Wacka
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To: xcamel; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; ...

xcamel is back to calling Christians on Free Republic the Taliban again—GGG


52 posted on 12/11/2009 9:29:54 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yep, when Christianity is “in power”,
people get their heads cut off,
girls can’t go to school,
women have to walk around in burkas, etc.

Happens every time throughout history....

um... /sarc

xc - stop being a dumbass


53 posted on 12/11/2009 9:32:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Not only do you post crap, you can’t read either.


54 posted on 12/11/2009 9:33:10 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“As I said, there seems to be a bit of confustion as to what to call these specimins. “

They are called “Fossils”

“But “organically preserved” muscle tissue, complete with blood vessels infilled with blood, is not what is traditionally understood as “fossilized.””

Is that why they still call them “fossils”?

“Unfortunately, no matter how many times you pull your head out, the soft-tissue will still be organically preserved soft tissue.”

They will still be fossils.

GGG - you and your ICR buddies are simply lying about this one. You should drop it before you humiliate yourself further.

This is a complete fabrication or unrestrained stupidity.

Quit pitching me softballs. You are unable to post a credible “creation science” article. Despite your hundreds of posts, not even one is a credible article showing credible science sourced by “creation science”.

No more mulligans for you. Quit lying.


55 posted on 12/11/2009 9:37:14 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Wacka

The only person who is lying is the person who is calling Brian Thomas and myself liars. You have provided ZERO proof that the organic material came from anything other than the salamander itself.

PS, you might want to get a chain saw and trim that nose of yours...it seems to be growing longer with every reply.


56 posted on 12/11/2009 9:37:16 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You and Brian peddling lies again?

From the original paper cited in BTMS’* piece of rubbish....

“Previous examples of SOFT TISSUES FOSSILISED in this way have been limited to samples extracted from amber or inside bone – a very rare set of circumstances.”

Stop lying.


57 posted on 12/11/2009 9:38:53 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: GodGunsGuts

xcamel is a child who has no real arguments to make- expect nothign but lies and spurious childish insults from her- Her ignorance about Christians and hte bible come hsining htrough loud and clear- the more she speaks, the more people realize what a child she really is


58 posted on 12/11/2009 9:39:35 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: RFEngineer

No lies. You only wish they were lies, because soft-tissue finds in supposedly multi-million year old fossils are becoming a common occurance, and they directly contradict the evo-assumption of deep time. Nice try though.


59 posted on 12/11/2009 9:41:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Lets try a little hard truth for a minute
(using your posting logic)

Fundamentalist Muslims == Creationists
Taliban == Fundamentalist Muslims

Taliban == Creationists

Nobody said you had to like the truth.


60 posted on 12/11/2009 9:41:37 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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