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Who's responsible for the Senate's middle-of-the-night vote?
The Washington Examiner ^ | 12/21/2009 | Byron York

Posted on 12/21/2009 9:10:35 AM PST by Servant of the Cross

Why did the Senate gather at 1 a.m. Monday for a vote to move ahead on the Reid Amendment to the Democrats' national health care bill? Democrats blame Republicans. "Everyone knows we're here at one in the morning because of my friends on the other side of the aisle," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said moments before the vote. On CBS Sunday, Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu said, "We don't have to vote in the middle of the night, but [Republican Sen. Tom Coburn] is the one making us do it -- not Harry Reid, not the Democrats. It is a Republican obstructionist that is making us vote in the middle of the night."

Coburn has no doubt slowed debate on the bill. But the fact is, there is no reason the Reid Amendment vote could not have been held at a more reasonable hour. One a.m. Monday was the earliest moment that Senate rules allowed a vote, but there is no rule keeping the Senate from voting at some time after 1 a.m. If Reid had scheduled the vote for, say, 11 a.m. Monday, that would have been fine. If he scheduled it for 4 p.m. Monday, or 10 a.m. Tuesday, that would have been fine, too.

But Reid is determined to pass the national health care bill by Christmas, and to do so he has to get the cloture vote on his amendment done at the earliest moment. The timeline is Reid's and Reid's alone. "The bottom line is, Sen. Reid schedules the floor," says one well-connected GOP aide. "He is the only one who can schedule the floor." If Reid had scheduled the vote during business hours on, say, Tuesday, a final vote would not have taken place until the day after Christmas -- an outcome Reid apparently found unacceptable.

This is how it works. Reid introduced his amendment Saturday morning. (It's the one that has the Sen. Ben Nelson Medicaid buy-off and other curious features.) Senate rules say there has to be an intervening day between the introduction of the amendment and a vote on limiting debate on the amendment. That intervening day was Sunday. That meant the cloture vote could be held Monday, or any time thereafter. The rules also say that the vote has to be held at least one hour after that next day has begun. So the Senate's Monday business began at 12:01 a.m., and the Reid Amendment vote could be held at 1:01 a.m. (As it happened, Reid himself spoke last, and his remarks went over the mark by six minutes.)

After the middle-of-the-night vote, there will be a maximum of 30 hours debate on the amendment. Then there will be a 30-hour period for a Republican substitute bill, followed by a 30-hour period on the final bill. Reid's schedule calls for a final, final vote on the health care measure to take place at about 7 p.m. on Christmas Eve. Voila! The bill will be passed by Christmas. That couldn't be done unless the Reid Amendment cloture vote were held in the earliest hours of Monday morning, setting off the final chain of votes and waiting periods. "This is purely to satisfy a self-imposed, arbitrary deadline," says the GOP aide.

By the way, when the 1 a.m. vote took place, the Reid Amendment had been public for about 36 hours, and the public had not had a single business day to examine it. "Make no mistake," said Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a few minutes before the vote. "If the people who wrote this bill were proud of it, they wouldn't be forcing this vote in the dead of night." Referring to the Nelson buy-off and other special arrangements in the bill, McConnell said few people would have imagined that the health care debate would have ended "with a couple of cheap deals and a rushed vote at one o'clock in the morning."

But that's what happened. In the end, to no one's surprise, the Reid Amendment moved ahead, 60-40, on a straight party-line vote. Democrats can blame Sen. Coburn and Republicans all they like, but the fact is, there is no reason, beyond the Christmas deadline, that the vote had to take place at 1 a.m.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fascism; government; middleofthenight; military; obama; reid; responsible; york
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These blatant liars are despicable. For Reid and Landrieu to pretend that the GOP is responsible for these middle-of-the-night votes healthcare is repulsive. Hopefully they will be ousted in 2010.
1 posted on 12/21/2009 9:10:35 AM PST by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

They are both wrong as to the blame.

As it is with most things, “It’s Bush’s fault”...


2 posted on 12/21/2009 9:11:53 AM PST by tips up
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To: Servant of the Cross

DEMOCRATS


3 posted on 12/21/2009 9:12:34 AM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The STUPID Voters...


4 posted on 12/21/2009 9:12:57 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: Servant of the Cross

Ok, so where is Coburn to refute this? He just going to let it stand?


5 posted on 12/21/2009 9:13:01 AM PST by tsmith130
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To: Servant of the Cross

Actually the vote should have been scheduled for 3:00 am, generally considered to be the ‘witching’ hour, when all the spooks, creepy-crawlies, evil spirits and demons start prowling around.

Oh wait, the ‘Rats and RINOs do that 24 hours a day anyway.

Never mind.


6 posted on 12/21/2009 9:14:07 AM PST by mkjessup (0bamaCare="Welcome to the United Soviet States of Amerika", be a good comrade & SALUTE! (like hell!))
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To: Servant of the Cross; shibumi

Evil is usually done in the darkness.


7 posted on 12/21/2009 9:14:24 AM PST by Salamander (I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.....)
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To: tsmith130

Of course! Why should ANY of the Republicans grow a spine now?


8 posted on 12/21/2009 9:15:06 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: US Navy Vet
The STUPID Voters...

The GRAND prize winner ....

9 posted on 12/21/2009 9:16:21 AM PST by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The DemocRAT party (not going to use the word Democratic, it doesn’t fit this bunch of fascists) has become the party of absolute evil, so I’d expect nothing less. If their lips are moving...well, you know the rest.


10 posted on 12/21/2009 9:18:33 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: tsmith130

We are the laughingstock of the world...People the world over look at the fools we ourselves elect to run our country and they have to laugh...

We elect the weakest, dumbest, most self-centered among us, then we have the audacity to complain....


11 posted on 12/21/2009 9:18:39 AM PST by Boonie
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To: Servant of the Cross

Hey Reid, go F yourself you POS. I have seen repulsive people in my life but you take the cake. I hope you burn in Hell Harry.


12 posted on 12/21/2009 9:19:01 AM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Please take us out of this nightmare with these pigs.


13 posted on 12/21/2009 9:19:05 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

You’re full of it. You don’t know Tom Coburn, and all he has done to thwart this bill. Sheesh.


14 posted on 12/21/2009 9:20:00 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: Servant of the Cross
"We don't have to vote in the middle of the night, but [Republican Sen. Tom Coburn] is the one making us do it -- not Harry Reid, not the Democrats. It is a Republican obstructionist that is making us vote in the middle of the night."

More democrat lies. Republicans don't have enough votes to stop anything. I'm so sick of the party of corruption being in power (not that the republicans were much better).

15 posted on 12/21/2009 9:20:22 AM PST by highlander_UW (Democrats used to be just the party of corruption, now they are the party of treason as well)
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To: Servant of the Cross

28:28 When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they perish, the righteous increase.


16 posted on 12/21/2009 9:20:22 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Gregg: Welcome to a New America [Robert Costa]

American government changed last night. “We are now functioning under a parliamentary form of government,” says Sen. Judd Gregg (R., N.H.) in a conversation with NRO. “An ideological supermajority in Congress, along with a government run by community organizers, has taken over.”

“They’ve taken over the student-loan program, they’ve taken over the automobile system, and now they’re taking over the health-care system. There is no limit to their belief that people should be controlled by smart bureaucrats in Washington,” says Gregg. “They’re putting our country on a path that will reduce the quality of life for the next generation, undermine our nation’s wonderful exceptionalism, and Europeanize our economy to curb its growth.”

Harry Reid’s health-care bill “was purchased,” says Gregg. “Our system of checks and balances is gone. We now have a government that lurches with great speed even though our system is founded upon incremental change.” And don’t hope that the House stops the runaway train, he says. “I think the House is ideologically even further to the Left than the Senate. There are many people there who are committed to taking us down the road toward nationalization.”

“In the future, discretionary dollars won’t be able to be spent on college or a new house, but on this massive new burden for Americans,” says Gregg. “Eventually, at some point, the pressures on the private sector will tip the scales so that employers offering private insurance send people over to the health-care exchange. It’s all part of their ultimate goal to get a vast amount of people subsidized by the government.”

This is an “unsustainable course for our nation,” says Gregg. “We can’t sustain the debt we’re adding. Soon we’ll reach banana-republic status.”


17 posted on 12/21/2009 9:21:35 AM PST by roses of sharon (This is a feral government, broken from the civilizing constraints of the Constitution.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
CBS Leads with Byrd's 'Shame, Shame' in Story on GOP 'Delaying Tactics'
18 posted on 12/21/2009 9:21:46 AM PST by Sopater (I'm so sick of atheists shoving their religion in my face.)
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To: Salamander

John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.


19 posted on 12/21/2009 9:22:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

don’t expect on dem to ever take the blame for anything...they are perfect walking in the footsteps of the messiah himself....


20 posted on 12/21/2009 9:23:00 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: Servant of the Cross

Revolution is near!!


21 posted on 12/21/2009 9:24:39 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

A Christmas deadline is an arbitrary deadline with other legislative steps (reconciliation) to follow it.

The bill needs to die. If it doesn’t these socialist bastards have their name on it exclusively. NO Republicans voted in favor. NONE. It needs to stay that way.


22 posted on 12/21/2009 9:24:40 AM PST by Made In The USA (The only thing better than bacon, is bacon wrapped in bacon.)
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To: tips up
"As it is with most things, “It’s Bush’s fault”..."

This time that's true. The 2006 and 2008 elections were referendums on his performance. Elections have consequences and the midnight vote is one of them.

23 posted on 12/21/2009 9:25:52 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

Harry Reid is a horse’s ass.


24 posted on 12/21/2009 9:26:03 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
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25 posted on 12/21/2009 9:28:36 AM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: mkjessup
Actually the vote should have been scheduled for 3:00 am

If Ted Kennedy had been there, it would have been then. The bars would've just closed.

26 posted on 12/21/2009 9:29:28 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: roses of sharon
There are many people there who are committed to taking us down the road toward nationalization.”
27 posted on 12/21/2009 9:31:53 AM PST by BARLF
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I cannot believe that you would say a insult like that. The horse is offended.


28 posted on 12/21/2009 9:33:09 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Servant of the Cross

Well, looks like it is “taxation without representation”. The Comuno-Nazis in Washington have shown their disdain and will not allow an election in 2010. You can bet on that.

What to do?

No more talk, as it is useless. No more demonstrations, as they have proven to be waste of time. No more web sites protesting the Congress, as they are the refuge of scoundrels.

It is time to follow the example of the Founders in Boston and at Concorde.

It is time to shed the shekels of tyranny.


29 posted on 12/21/2009 9:34:25 AM PST by fifthvirginia (keeping their memory green)
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To: ex-snook

True. Good point.


30 posted on 12/21/2009 9:34:38 AM PST by tips up
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To: Ratman83

I’m so sorry. I hang my head in shame. I love horses.


31 posted on 12/21/2009 9:34:52 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
In my opinion, the answer to this question is :

Directly, the filthy animals that are in Congress.

Indirectly, the American voter for electing these filthy animals to Congress.

32 posted on 12/21/2009 9:38:02 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: MizSterious

I’m more of a results-oriented person. Liberals are the ones who place value on intent without victory.


33 posted on 12/21/2009 9:39:59 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: fifthvirginia
The next couple of months promises to be interesting, particularly if unemployment takes another jog upward, as what I've read is predicting.

Nothing worse for politicians than angry, armed citizens that are out of work, just had most of what they have left confiscated, and have nothing better to do.

Truly, history does repeat itself, but only if those in power choose to ignore it.

34 posted on 12/21/2009 9:40:40 AM PST by wbill
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To: fifthvirginia

lol...what, you mean all those on-line petitions I signed didn’t accomplish anything real?! What?!


35 posted on 12/21/2009 9:41:54 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

They are like thieves in the night...


36 posted on 12/21/2009 9:45:08 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd,you get no further than the crowd")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

When there are plenty of REAL RINOs in congress, why pick on one of the few who actually works for the good of the country? By your standards, perhaps none of us should bother to speak out against the horror that is Obama, since obviously none of us are getting “results.” Including you.


37 posted on 12/21/2009 9:47:49 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: Jim Robinson

Actually, Reid is more like what comes OUT of the horse’s arse. 100% horse manure.


38 posted on 12/21/2009 9:49:46 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Where is Scott Coleman when you need him? Time for Term Limits.


39 posted on 12/21/2009 9:49:51 AM PST by Tuxedo (The seeds of the next Revolution are sown....)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If you accept welfare, or medicaid for more than one year, your forfeit your right to vote. At that point your vote is not about what’s best for the country but rather what’s best to help you continue to be a parasite on the hard-working tax PAYERS of this country.


40 posted on 12/21/2009 9:53:11 AM PST by Josa
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To: Servant of the Cross

Rats always come out at night.


41 posted on 12/21/2009 9:59:35 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: MizSterious; Jim Robinson

That is so true.


42 posted on 12/21/2009 10:04:26 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Jim Robinson
I hate to say it, but I happen to believe the only way left for us to take back control of the out of control government is forcibly. And just by stating that, I AM the right wing terrorist the obama administration wants to fear.

The truth is, We The People are the only thing left that obama and his fellow travelers DO fear. The country is his for the taking and he knows it.

When governments prepare and strategize in direct opposition to the overwhelming majority of it's people, as the obama administration is doing, while KNOWING that government has enumerated, specific limits, it is glaring apparent they have become the RULERS of that people. That is where we are. They rule us, we know they rule us and they know we know they rule us, and the line is drawn in the sand.

The Constitution specifically that we are to throw off the shackles of an oppresive government and start over. The monolith has grown to have a life of it's own and will seek to preserve itself, even if people have to die. So what are we going to do? Probably nothing.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but this is reality.

43 posted on 12/21/2009 10:05:51 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Bush's Fault.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

44 posted on 12/21/2009 10:06:06 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Harry Reid is a horse’s ass.

You're far too kind, Jim.

45 posted on 12/21/2009 10:07:30 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Satan and all of his willing followers.


46 posted on 12/21/2009 10:07:43 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: MrB

To that wisdom I would add the dark rumination of Dostoyevsky’s Grand Inquisitor.

In the story, Jesus returned to Earth at the height of the Spanish Inquisition. Not long after He returned and started preaching his “heresies”, he was brought before the Grand Inquisitor. You have come to make people free, the Grand Inquisitor said, but people do not want to be free.


47 posted on 12/21/2009 10:09:58 AM PST by oblomov
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To: subterfuge

We Are Those People
Robinson Jeffers

I have abhorred the wars and despised the liars, laughed at the frightened
And forecast victory; never one moment’s doubt.
But now not far, over the backs of some crawling years, the next
Great war’s column of dust and fire writhes
Up the sides of the sky: it becomes clear that we too may suffer
What others have, the brutal horror of defeat—
Or if not in the next, then in the next—therefore watch Germany
And read the future. We wish, of course, that our women
Would die like biting rats in the cellars, our men like wolves on the mountain:
It will not be so. Our men will curse, cringe, obey;
Our women uncover themselves to the grinning victors for bits of chocolate.


48 posted on 12/21/2009 10:13:44 AM PST by oblomov
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To: wbill

I had been thinking it would get interesting once we find out what is in this actual bill which has been written behind closed doors. We don’t actually know what’s in it, do we?


49 posted on 12/21/2009 10:15:37 AM PST by midnightcat
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To: Don Corleone
Revolution is near!!

Our rulers in washington recognize there is nothing that will motivate the american citizen to revolt. They can operate with impunity and do what ever they wish to enrich themselves and enslaves the subjects. The people have already demonstrated they are willing to bend over and take whatever comes without any limit

50 posted on 12/21/2009 10:16:18 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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