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After Complaint About a Star, an Order to Remove Religious Symbols
El Paso Inc ^ | 12/23/2009

Posted on 12/23/2009 9:10:48 AM PST by markomalley

SAN FRANCISCO — It was the week before Christmas when Irv Sutley, a former warehouse worker, first saw the offending ornament in a government building in Sonoma County, just north of here.

“I was turning around in the lobby, and I noticed the tree,” Mr. Sutley said. “And then, I noticed the angel.”

Mr. Sutley, an atheist, said he then went to the office of the county Board of Supervisors. “And there was a star,” he said.

Technically, neither stars nor angels belong to any particular religion. But to the mind of Mr. Sutley, 65, a veteran who has fought to keep religion out of public meetings and buildings, the symbolism was clear.

“For most people, a star atop a tree at this time of season represents the star of Bethlehem, which is a cult symbol, the cult being Christianity,” he said, adding that the government should be neutral on religion.

Sonoma County officials conferred with their lawyers, and on Monday the acting county administrator, Chris Thomas, asked county departments to remove stars, angels or any other religious symbols “so that we can celebrate the season yet not appear to endorse Christian or other religious doctrines.”

Mr. Thomas cited a 1989 Supreme Court decision, Allegheny v. A.C.L.U., which stated that while Christmas trees could be seen as secular, they could also be seen as religious if decorated with religious symbols.

All of which pleased Mr. Sutley, who said he had found about a half-dozen stars on other trees around the building in Santa Rosa. He said he found none in the social services department, in which he found a religious placard during the holidays last year. (It, too, was removed.)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheismandstate; atheistsupremacist; christmas; churchandstate; constitution; godlesscommunism; grinch; grinchstolechristmas; irvsutley; nakedcommunist; religion; religiousintolerance; waronchristmas
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1 posted on 12/23/2009 9:10:48 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Then he noticed his straight ticket to H@LL! Leave us alone, d@mn you atheist.


2 posted on 12/23/2009 9:12:59 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: markomalley

Atheist killjoy ping


3 posted on 12/23/2009 9:14:01 AM PST by bubbacluck
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To: markomalley

Some kind old Christian should stick a star up this “veteran’s” ass.


4 posted on 12/23/2009 9:14:44 AM PST by Dogbert41
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To: markomalley
His overt lack of religion offends me.
5 posted on 12/23/2009 9:14:49 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: markomalley

SIX STARS?????? THANK GOD HE STOPPED THIS FORCING OF RELIGION DOWN OUR THROATS! The gaul of the city to add stars to a Christmas tree! Next year they might be so bold as to add candy canes. THE HORROR!!!!!!

So he just turned around a “saw” the offening star? And found something that offended him last year? What loser trolls city buildings looking to be offended?


6 posted on 12/23/2009 9:15:59 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: markomalley
This Sudley puke sounds like a one man private pope. He knows what's religious and what's just a decoration ~ like his buds in the government who put on their best black jackboots and went down and began stripping the tree.

Obviously he doesn't understand anything the Supreme Court has ever said.

7 posted on 12/23/2009 9:16:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: markomalley
If you are going to b*$*(# about stars and angels on a tree you brought inside for no apparent reason, I expect you to be working hard at your desk on December 25 at regular pay. If the idea of Christmas offends you that much, then you don't get the day off.
8 posted on 12/23/2009 9:17:03 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: markomalley

What a jerk. Goes around looking for things he decides are offensive. Why can’t private citizens display their own property in a public workplace?


9 posted on 12/23/2009 9:17:16 AM PST by doodad
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To: markomalley

Sounds like Moscow on the Bay.


10 posted on 12/23/2009 9:17:31 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: markomalley

But this a$$wipe has no problem with the 50 stars on the flag he fought for?


11 posted on 12/23/2009 9:18:41 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Dockery for Gov.)
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To: markomalley

Keep his no-god god worldview out of the workplace too.

The same text that says the government cannot establish a state religion cannot use the power of the state to block or ridicule same beliefs.

The atheist supremacists seek to make atheism the only promoted religious view by the State.


12 posted on 12/23/2009 9:18:53 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Question authority!Who is the University of East Anglia to drive the 'Global Climate Change' agenda?)
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To: markomalley

The removal and total absence of a star is a statement of his beliefs. But, of course, he wouldn’t see it as that.


13 posted on 12/23/2009 9:19:13 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: markomalley

Won’t California be falling off into the ocean soon? All that stupid weighs too much.

Apparently California chooses atheism and Californian Americans are pleased to deny God and our Constitutional guarantee of freedom of religious expression.


14 posted on 12/23/2009 9:19:26 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: markomalley
Are atheists really fundamentalists?
15 posted on 12/23/2009 9:20:53 AM PST by Schnucki
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To: mockingbyrd; Revolting cat!

Obama’s White House tree has a portrait of Mao, a portrait of a transexual, and Obama pictured on Mt. Rushmore.

Maybe that is the god this man wants.

Sing some new carols:

“I’ll have a RED Christmas, comrade...”

“Christmas in the gulag...”


16 posted on 12/23/2009 9:21:05 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Question authority!Who is the University of East Anglia to drive the 'Global Climate Change' agenda?)
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To: markomalley
As Icwhatudo observed when this was posted about an hour ago, "Irv Sutley, a disabled 65-year-old Marine veteran"...

"Thats like simply describing hitler as a former WW1 veteran. Google this guy! He was accused in a murder for hire plot, provided a gun to someone accused in a terrorist attack on a US military base, and was a member of the communist party. Do your homework on this loser!"

17 posted on 12/23/2009 9:23:29 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: markomalley
so that we can celebrate the season yet not appear to endorse Christian or other religious doctrines

What season would that be?

First day of winter? How long have the decorations been up?

Will they come down at the end of winter?

When will the spring season decorations go up?

18 posted on 12/23/2009 9:23:48 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Question authority!Who is the University of East Anglia to drive the 'Global Climate Change' agenda?)
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To: mockingbyrd

Mr. Sutley has been traumatized by the sight of a star. Poor Mr. Sutley requires hospitalization (whether he wants it or not). It must be a living hell to be a Mr. Sutley. How can he make it through the day? So sensitive, offended at every turn. Mr. Sutley how can you make it through something like Thursday? Do you know that Thursday is named after a pagan god? We are surrounded by religious symbolism. You must be tearing your hair out. I will pray for you.


19 posted on 12/23/2009 9:24:23 AM PST by Vehmgericht
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To: markomalley

See also:

California Official Orders Removal of Christmas Angel After Complaint

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2413797/posts

(NOT duplicate, another article on the same topic from a different source)


20 posted on 12/23/2009 9:24:26 AM PST by SmartInsight (Dems in power are a clear and present danger to our freedom and the survival of our nation.)
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