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M16 now seen as 'the weapon of choice' for Iraq's army
GeoStrategy Direct ^ | 1/14/2010 | GeoStrategy Direct

Posted on 01/14/2010 11:27:55 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The Iraq Army has expanded its use of a U.S.-origin assault rifle. Officials said the Iraq Army has absorbed more than 5,000 M-16 assault rifles from the United States. They said the delivery of additional rifles as well as training would be intensified by the U.S. Army in 2010.

"The M16 is now the weapon of choice for the Iraqi army," an Iraqi Army officer identified only as Capt. Anwar, said.

Over the last year, the Iraq army has been training its soldiers on the M-16A4 rifle. The seven-day training course has taken place at the Shaiba training center and included firing positions, range procedures as well as weapons assembly.

"You will need to remember your training lessons and apply your knowledge and skills on the battle field," Anwar, training officer at Shaiba as well as weapons wing commander, told cadets of an M-16 course that graduated on Dec. 24.

The course trained soldiers from the 14th Infantry Division and included a competition in assault rifle skills. All of the soldiers in the course had been using the Soviet-origin AK-47 assault rifle.

Officials said more than 50 percent of the Iraq Army would continue to use the AK-47. They said initial plans to replace the AK-47 Kalashnikov entirely with U.S.-origin light assault weapons had been shelved.

"Retain your M-16 knowledge and apply your basic rifle marksmanship with your current weapons," Anwar said.

(Excerpt) Read more at geostrategy-direct.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ak47; automaticrifle; banglist; iraqiarmy; iraqimilitary; m16; rifle

1 posted on 01/14/2010 11:27:56 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

For the level of ‘skill’ shown by the hadjis, the AK makes a lot more sense.

THen again, I’d like to see the Standard Issue rifle in 7.62 x 43 or thereabouts.

As always, YMMV


2 posted on 01/14/2010 11:40:27 PM PST by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Good. We have a better chance of them jamming when they give the weapons to their “cousins” who would like to use U.S. soldiers as backstops for their lead.


3 posted on 01/15/2010 12:36:50 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Your Socialist Beat our Liberal)
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To: ASOC
For the level of ‘skill’ shown by the hadjis, the AK makes a lot more sense.

Agreed. The difference in maintenance requirements is another huge factor arguing against the M-16 as the best choice.

Soon after our troops pull out and American presence declines, these M-16's will end up in the junk pile.
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4 posted on 01/15/2010 12:40:18 AM PST by Iron Munro (God is great - Beer is good - People are crazy.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
The M-16 will always be a POS to me.
You couldn't give me one.
5 posted on 01/15/2010 12:45:34 AM PST by ComputerGuy
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To: ComputerGuy

The M-16 will always be a POS to me.
You couldn’t give me one.
~~~
Same here,,,

Only a fool would take an M-16 over an AK-47,,,

Guys I know in the 10th.Mtn.Div. are still cussin’ em’...


6 posted on 01/15/2010 1:02:24 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

The AK wins that contest hands down.


7 posted on 01/15/2010 1:07:09 AM PST by ComputerGuy
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To: ComputerGuy

LOL,,,Roger Dat!,,,I guess our AGE is showin’...;0)


8 posted on 01/15/2010 1:10:17 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: sonofstrangelove

In any environment where you can keep it reasonably clean, M16 is superior weapon to AK-47. The only thing that the AK is better at is working when it is in dirty & filthly environment.


9 posted on 01/15/2010 1:25:33 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Since we're sort of on the subject...I'm curious about something. Can anyone tell me how the AK-74 measures up, in terms of reliability and performance, to the AK-47 and M16 families, respectively?
10 posted on 01/15/2010 1:27:19 AM PST by DemforBush (Never mind that *bleep*, here comes Mongo!)
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To: Iron Munro
Soon after our troops pull out and American presence declines, these M-16's will end up in the junk pile.

They'll end up on the black market.

11 posted on 01/15/2010 1:48:04 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: DemforBush
From what I have read the AK-74 has had feed problems as

well as the range of the .22 cal. bullet,,,

Many units have gone back to the AK-47 because it WORKS!,,,

The .223/5.45x39mm round is what they are,,,A mouse gun !,,,

They have gone to a heavier bullet to try to increase the

range and penetration,,, 62gr.?,,,Don't remember,,,

Some info :

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.TSP1BLgmoBKGFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1NHZuM25mBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01BUDAwN18xMTI-/SIG=11mqddu2a/EXP=1263636818/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-74

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuymFQFBLFbkA1etXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1NHZuM25mBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01BUDAwN18xMTI-/SIG=11qc66m0o/EXP=1263636997/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle

Neither one will shoot through the bushes,,,

The AK-47 and the M-14 will...

12 posted on 01/15/2010 2:38:36 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: sonofstrangelove

well i guess the “weapon of choice” strongly depends on what the US is willing to hand over to them and has little to do what weapon would be the better choice for them.
There for it seems logical to me that the “weapon of choice” is an american product because it helps to keep some jobs in the american arms industry and you don´t have to hand over money to the chinese or the russians to buy them their Aks (that would be definitely the “weapon of their choice” because they are allready familiar and trained with it if they really would have a “choice”.
greetings


13 posted on 01/15/2010 3:33:32 AM PST by darkside321
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

There’s no such thing as a brush buster. Every bullet can deflect in brush.


14 posted on 01/15/2010 4:13:20 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Only hits count. That leaves out the AK-47. It was designed for the individual soldier to lay down massive amounts of fire during an assault.


15 posted on 01/15/2010 4:15:14 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I would not trust my life to any AR rifle unless it is converted to a piston design like my trustworthy Springfield Armory M1A.

The .223 is a good cartridge to use if you have to haul around a lot of ammo, but its still a very small bullet, normally in the 52-75gr. weight. The .308 uses bullets from 147 to 180gr. or heavier in bolt actions, three times the bullet weight.


16 posted on 01/15/2010 4:21:31 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: ComputerGuy

> The M-16 will always be a POS to me.
> You couldn’t give me one.

Amen to that. I had to take that POS that was issued to me apart and clear a bent round while in a fire fight on the Mekong River in 1970. When it wasn’t jamming, that idiotic flash supressor with the 3 prong fork design was collecting weeds, vines, leaves and all sorts of other crap when we were on patrol.


17 posted on 01/15/2010 4:28:55 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Hoax and Chains is not the same as hope and change.)
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To: BuffaloJack
My unit got the M-16 in early April, 1967.
I remember the armorer saying that it was made of aluminum alloy and "wouldn't rust". Maybe that's the reason so few guys were issued cleaning kits. I don't know. Anyway, each recipient (being a Corpsman, I wasn't one of them) got to fire maybe five rounds. That was it. If everyone had been allowed to fire a full magazine on auto, we would been aware of the potential for problems. Some of the guns would have locked up tight, I'm sure. Our first firefight with them was three weeks later. We were on Hill 881S, in the deepest of sh!t, and virtually unable to defend ourselves. If it weren't for the AKs we got from dead NVA, I wouldn't be here.
18 posted on 01/15/2010 4:48:27 AM PST by ComputerGuy
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To: sonofstrangelove
So it's the weapon of choice, but less than 50% will use it, and as time goes on more Iraqis will go back to the AK.

O...K...!

19 posted on 01/15/2010 4:55:25 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: truthguy
The only thing that the AK is better at is working when it is in dirty & filthly environment.

Agreed, but that's also just about every battlefield in history.

20 posted on 01/15/2010 5:03:03 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Shooter 2.5

There’s no such thing as a brush buster. Every bullet can deflect in brush.
~~~
LOL,,,That “Brush Buster” came from you not me,,,

Yes any bullet will “deflect”,,,

I think you know as well as I do that the lite/fast .22

types will just come apart when they hit a twig or three,,,

Let’s go up to a 12ga. 1 oz. slug,,,

That will “deflect” even less,,,

We can carry this out to a 6 pound gun with solid shot,,,

As the weight goes up there is less deflection...;0)


21 posted on 01/15/2010 5:07:27 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: BuffaloJack

The M16A1 was plagued by problems which were resolved in later models. It’s only drawback, IMO, is the reciprocating gas piston. The full auto feature on the M16a1 was pretty incompatible with such an operating system. It was supposed to be a one shot one kill semi automatic firearm. In that role, it functions well. My M16A2 did well enough. I put 200-300 rounds through it in the space of 15-20 minutes on more than one occasion. It was hot enough to burn you. I don’t recall it jamming. I have a few AR15s in the vault. I still like it but I’m excited about the gas piston variations coming on the market such as that Ruger SR-556 or the FN SCAR. I want one of each.


22 posted on 01/15/2010 5:09:52 AM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!)
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To: darkside321
I get the feeling that we are bequeathing to them our old and worn out rifles, as we are phasing in a newer version that sucks less.

Also, what is the feasability for our troops using the AR-10? I think it fires a .308 round, but is still an AR platform. I know a guy who uses one to hunt pigs from a helicopter, and he loves it.

Another query: Is there not on this planet a company that makes an AK-style rifle, firing the 7.62 round, that is built to tighter tolerances? It seems to me that the loose tolerance is the main complaint against it, and that looseness is not necessary in the Western world, we we not only clean our gear, but are more educated about maintenance type issues.

For the record I own two ARs, one of which I built up myself (having absolutely zero firearms experience previous to that) and I love them. There are tons of customizing options; it's almost like playing with Legos.

23 posted on 01/15/2010 5:57:48 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (BLOAT: Buy Lots Of Ammo Today)
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To: BuffaloJack
that idiotic flash supressor with the 3 prong fork design was collecting weeds, vines, leaves and all sorts of other crap when we were on patrol

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24 posted on 01/15/2010 6:26:01 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: Sarajevo
They'll end up on the black market.

Even more likely.

25 posted on 01/15/2010 7:00:31 AM PST by Iron Munro (<p><i>")
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To: I Buried My Guns

I get the feeling that we are bequeathing to them our old and worn out rifles, as we are phasing in a newer version that sucks less...


quite possible!
for the 7,62 mm round...
Of course the 7,62 has a higher penetration power but it has some major drawbacks (personally i like the 5,56 mm round) too. it has in generall a lower muzzle velocity than the 5,56 (of course this depends on the rifle too) ,recoil is serious ;-) wich makes quick follow up shots at bigger range near impossible, you can carry a lot more ammo in the smaller calibre then in 7,62... So for me penetration power is the only thing where the 7,62 is superior to the 5,56 (but then again when have “we” fought an enemy that wears body armor? the 5,56 has enought penetration power to easy pass trough a body at 300 yards too so no big deal).
For the M16 well its hard for me to judge it (i only shot a few mags through it when we changed weapons on the shooting range in Kosovo) it was quite accurate and it didn´t jam but as said this was too short to really judge it. Normally i used the steyr AUG which fires the same 5,56 round.
greetings


26 posted on 01/15/2010 8:08:05 AM PST by darkside321
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To: RC one

//It was supposed to be a one shot one kill semi automatic firearm. In that role, it functions well.//

Damn right it does.


27 posted on 01/15/2010 9:05:56 AM PST by valkyry1
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