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Obama confidant's spine-chilling proposal - Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively.."
Salon ^ | Jan. 15, 2010 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 01/17/2010 1:52:32 PM PST by neverdem

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To: BradyLS

Please...

any search engine will tell you more than you want to know about the [Marxist Hegelian Dialectic] and much better than I am capable.


181 posted on 01/18/2010 12:32:50 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: neverdem

iow astroturf and trolls


182 posted on 01/18/2010 12:41:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: cynwoody

The lefties remember getting stung by cointelpro.


183 posted on 01/18/2010 12:43:04 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: BradyLS
Basically it involves grinding society between "millstones" until it fits a preconcieved notion of what a society should be.

We, as a society, are being manipulated toward accepting some form of socialism by use of contrived situations to change our perception of "is".

Many people now believe that socialism is the only viable way to prevent armegeddon, although this goes against their personal desire for freedom and individuality. This is the desired result.

AGW, climate change, the nuclear threat game and anything else the marxists can imagine are the millstones.

184 posted on 01/18/2010 12:48:51 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thanks for the easy-to-understand explaination.

I guess I’d heard it earlier as manipulating people through a kind of problem-crisis-solution model. Government desires to control gun ownership, even though laws allow the public to possess them.

Government points to “problem” of “gun crime” without acknowledging the social benefits of citizen firearm ownership. Public is whipped into a “crisis” over “gun crime” through propaganda or compliant media.

People demand that government do something to “solve” the problem and end the “crisis.” Government passes gun control laws restricting who can own guns and what kinds they can own. Even though owning firearms is a citizen’s right.

The government ultimately gets what it wants—dispossessing citizens of their firearms—under the guise of bowing to public pressure over “gun crime.”.


185 posted on 01/18/2010 1:11:47 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: neverdem

"which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government."

You mean like that secret societies and the Council on Foreign Relations
would groom a Fabian Socialist Manchurian Candidate puppet, whooping up
racial hysteria, and installing him in office to impose socialism, population control,
a false swine flu scare, and the New World Order?

I mean, who would do something like that?


186 posted on 01/18/2010 3:29:22 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: neverdem

50 Cent Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

China’s internet ‘spin doctors’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7783640.stm

How China’s ‘50 Cent Army’ Could Wreck Web 2.0
(Some estimates claim that the 50 Cent Army includes a whopping 300,000 people.)
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/columns/article.php/3795091/How+Chinas+50+Cent+Army+Could+Wreck+Web+2.0.htm

China’s ‘50 Cent Party’ on marketing steroids: Internet hit men take astroturfing to new levels.
http://www.mercurybrief.com/2009/12/astroturfing-in-china/

The word-of-mouth marketing smear campaigns are designed to control major social media forums and manipulate public opinion, and can place hundreds of thousands of comments on thousands of news and discussion forums within a 48- or 72-hour period.


187 posted on 01/18/2010 4:01:14 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: JustPiper

Great video. I bookmarked it for later use. Never can have enough anti leftist ammo.Thanks!


188 posted on 01/18/2010 4:12:41 AM PST by Candor7 ((The effectie weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: Boucheau
I wasn't raised around Russian refugees. But later in life, I was around and worked with many who had fled the Iron Curtain - in tunnels, hidden compartments, and over barbed wire. They saw this coming then - that was in the late 70s - I frequently heard (because of what the Feds and the lefties were doing to us and our profession as commercial salmon fishermen): “This is no different from what I left,” they would say - a few even went to Federal Prison for the crime of fishing.

There are few here who would do what they did to flee the Communists, nor go to prison for loving and practicing their profession.

Too many like you said think Communism is a fairy tale - but ironically, fear the Nazis and sympathize with the hapless 1940s Russians invaded by the evil Nazis. Products of public schools, who's idea of war is Iraq. They have no frame of reference.

BTW: there will be a documentary movie on The Frozen Chosin upcoming in a few weeks told by the Marines who were there. (I knew two of those guys - both gone now). It's made by two Marine captains who served in Iraq dedicated to their heroes - the Marines at the Chosin River. Thre is a web site, but I don't know when or how it will appear

189 posted on 01/18/2010 4:38:02 AM PST by PIF
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To: STE=Q

And most famously:
“Some are more equal than others.”


190 posted on 01/18/2010 4:40:48 AM PST by PIF
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To: Cold Heat
They are not "social architects". They are Communists. Name the enemy, else be defeated by them. They cannot and will not be defeated by votes. Learn that. There is only one way to defeat them. It is a question of who has the stomach for what needs to be done: you or them. Since you say you do not know how to defeat them, right now my money is on them... sadly.

We will not be lost to "European style socialism", we will be lost to Maoist Communism. There is a difference. Just ask the 77 million and counting dead Chinese.


191 posted on 01/18/2010 4:52:03 AM PST by PIF
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To: neverdem
"IIRC, Glenn Greenwald is a moonbat, but he appears to be an honest moonbat. Someone correct me if I'm wrong."

Greenwald was not always honest. He was a noted sock-puppet. See:

http://patterico.com/2006/07/27/annotated-wuzzadem-the-facts-behind-the-greenwald-sock-puppetry/

That said, I see this as leftist cannibalism, something to be enjoyed as spectators sport, and I am glad to see the Bushitler crowd turn on the newfascist Obama.

192 posted on 01/18/2010 5:05:55 AM PST by magellan
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To: BradyLS

Or to make it really simple:

Tells a lie until everyone believes it is a truth. Once they believe the first lie, the second becomes easier for them to believe - they trust you now.


193 posted on 01/18/2010 5:06:25 AM PST by PIF
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To: PIF
Good point.
Worse - when people older than their 40s on up die, no one will have a living memory of what it was like before Obama's Fabian Socialist Orwellian New World Order slave state. Before the computerized surveillance, etc.
194 posted on 01/18/2010 5:15:16 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: grey_whiskers

What you said is true. It causes equal parts anger and loathing in any decent person.


195 posted on 01/18/2010 5:15:50 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.")
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To: Carry_Okie
Why would they bother with infil-triators when they've already got Steele, Hatch, and Graham?

Because they don't post on Conservative websites, blogs and chat rooms.

The 0bots goal here is to infiltrate the grass roots opposition to Dear Reader and fractionalize the opposition into competing factions by ginning up strife, discord and misinformation. Standard Marxism in action. Infiltrate so you can control, or destroy, the opposition.

Read any good history of the Lenin and the 1917 Russian revolution and you can see how successful these sorts of tactics can be

196 posted on 01/18/2010 5:54:39 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Either you are for "we, the people", or against us. There is no middle ground anymore)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

“Worse - when people older than their 40s on up die”

That is the central idea behind HusseinCare. He does not intend to create anything like a “Fabian Socialist Orwellian New World Order slave state”. It will be Hussein’s Maoist Communist State. Hussein never heard of Fabian - other than the singer. He is a Maoist, not a Fabianist. Learn the difference - see my post 191.


197 posted on 01/18/2010 5:55:02 AM PST by PIF
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To: SpaceBar
Spell check is my friend.

You have to write it 100 times on the blackboard for it to be effective.

198 posted on 01/18/2010 7:05:40 AM PST by houeto
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To: Halgr

“Does anyone know what the Marxist Hegelian Dialectic is”

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?:

http://nord.twu.net/acl/dialectic.html

EXCERPT:

“Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal.”

(end excerpt)

... TERROR and INTIMIDATION are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal!

You know, like when Obama tells his lackeys to ‘get in their face?’

STE=Q


199 posted on 01/18/2010 8:45:25 AM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: PIF
His handlers are Illuminati.
Communism is just the method for control.
They talk openly of genocidal population control, like the science czar.


"Most of us believe socialism is what the socialists want us to believe it is - a share-the-wealth program. That is the theory. But is that how it works?... If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead it becomes the logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite." - Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy


200 posted on 01/18/2010 8:48:13 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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