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For Gates Aides, No Fatigues at Work
New York Times ^ | January 18, 2010 | THOM SHANKER and ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 01/19/2010 3:40:00 AM PST by tlb

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has told his military aides not to wear combat fatigues to work at the Pentagon anymore, reversing a symbolic change of protocol ordered in the harrowing days after the Sept. 11 attacks.

There was no formal announcement about Mr. Gates directing his military staff to shed their fatigues in favor of business uniforms — the smartly pressed ones bedecked with combat medals and service ribbons that are the military equivalent of a civilian coat and tie, worn with dress shoes and not combat boots.

But throughout the Defense Department, where every action by the civilian boss is parsed by officers with a care akin to old-school Kremlinology, Mr. Gates’s decision is likely to prompt deliberations across the armed services on whether to have personnel working in the Pentagon follow his example.

The defense secretary’s instructions took effect with the start of the new year and were directed at only some of the 23,000 employees at the Pentagon. Even so, the change has been noticed by recent visitors to Mr. Gates’s third-floor suite of offices and has become a topic of conversation along the Pentagon’s 17.5 miles of corridors.

The switch to camouflage and flight suits became the norm in the days after Sept. 11,and it made a statement: The building itself was a terrorist target, the nation was on a war footing, and it was thought important that even military personnel on the home front should dress for combat.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bdus; gates; pentagon; uniform; windowdressing
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Prettier.
1 posted on 01/19/2010 3:40:02 AM PST by tlb
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To: tlb

A lot more trouble and expense!


2 posted on 01/19/2010 3:42:21 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: tlb

.....they revert back to form (military haters)


3 posted on 01/19/2010 3:42:23 AM PST by Doogle (DID YOU FORGET...to send your FR donation?...YOU TOO LURKERS!)
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To: tlb
is parsed by officers with a care akin to old-school Kremlinology

Die, NY Times, die!

4 posted on 01/19/2010 3:45:32 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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Effin’ Liberals and their influences. Heaven forbid we have WARRIORS that work at the PENTAGON.


5 posted on 01/19/2010 3:46:05 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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Surprised it took a year after Obama took over for this to happen. He probably wasn’t paying attention.


6 posted on 01/19/2010 3:47:58 AM PST by John W
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To: tlb

And to THINK that this slug Robert Gates was considered not only the protege of the finest DCI in U.S. history (the late William J. Casey in the Reagan Administration), but was treated almost like a son by former Director Casey, who must surely be spinning in his grave.


7 posted on 01/19/2010 3:48:32 AM PST by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: tlb
To any Military Personnel working at the Pentagon, there should be only one response to a directive from The Secretary: Yes Sir!
8 posted on 01/19/2010 3:48:57 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: tlb
Reagan stopped the Carter-era practice of servicemembers wearing civilian clothes to the Pentagon instead of uniforms. I don't think that was a bad thing and I believe field uniforms/flight suits aren't appropriate either.

I'll have to support Gates on this one.

9 posted on 01/19/2010 3:49:02 AM PST by paddles
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Personal camouflage including faces and helmets would probably work there, if all of the walls were painted in the same camouflage colors and patterns inside and out. Oh...and the lights dimmed quite a bit.


10 posted on 01/19/2010 3:50:14 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: John W

“Surprised it took a year after Obama took over for this to happen. He probably wasn’t paying attention”

He was on vacation or playing golf.


11 posted on 01/19/2010 3:54:35 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: familyop

What are you saying, that camo should only be worn where it blends in? Please explain.


12 posted on 01/19/2010 3:56:50 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: familyop
if all of the walls were painted in the same camouflage colors

My dad worked at the Pentagon for many years and the one time I went with him to work on a Saturday I noticed how all the hallways look the same. I figured you could get lost in that drab maze.
13 posted on 01/19/2010 3:57:28 AM PST by visualops (Freepin' on my Pre!)
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To: tlb

Back to the Hillery doctrine.


14 posted on 01/19/2010 4:05:11 AM PST by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: tlb
The switch to camouflage and flight suits became the norm in the days after Sept. 11

Ahh... but you see, it became September 10th as soon as Barry was installed.
Now shine those shoes, Marine!

15 posted on 01/19/2010 4:13:50 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: tlb

aka. “Stand Down”


16 posted on 01/19/2010 4:13:51 AM PST by The Duke
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To: Dixie Yooper

In my time in the navy (long time ago) we had ‘undress blues’ for admin areas. I would think most other branches still do also.

I always thought ‘flight suit’ was uncalled for, unless on stand-by status or scheduled to fly. There were better suited uniforms for admin positions.


17 posted on 01/19/2010 4:14:12 AM PST by maine yankee
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To: visualops

Agreed. I was joking about camouflage, of course.

Construction design and planning are important security considerations for the homes of civilians, too. Granted, they won’t be the same considerations, but they are worth much thought. Home invaders, for example, can be inhibited by many things before actually trying to break in to a home. Firearms and liability dogs (dangerous animals) get too much attention, IMO.

Fences, lighting, recording devices (including visual), alarms (including good dogs), security of records (remote servers for video files), obstacles (safe obstacles—not liability obstacles), directions of visibility, approaches, materials, elevations and many other things are more important. The list is virtually endless.


18 posted on 01/19/2010 4:20:20 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: tlb

Course, they’ll probably have casual Fridays.


19 posted on 01/19/2010 4:21:39 AM PST by Starstruck
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To: paddles; All

“I’ll have to support Gates on this one.”

I agree with you.

My son is a Naval Academy grad and now an officer of Marines. My daughter is an Army officer. I have been struck that Navy and Marine personnel in general are only authorized to wear fatigues in garrison or aboard ship. Otherwise, they are in professional-appearing service dress. And, official events (graduations, winging, etc) are almost always in dress uniforms.

The Army, on the other hand, seems to do everything in BDU’s, and I think, inappropriately so.

A good example is that, a few years back, the Military Channel did a big show on the day of the Army-Navy game. During the pre-game, the Superintendant of the Naval Academy and a senior USMC officer were being interviewed; the interviewers were in jacket and tie and the military officers were in service dress. When it came time for the Supe of West Point to be interviewed, he was in BDU’s, and looked ridiculous.

If it were up to me, the Army would go back to the WWII era tobacco brown/khaki service uniforms: they had real class.

Just my $0.02


20 posted on 01/19/2010 4:27:22 AM PST by paterfamilias
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