Posted on 01/22/2010 9:49:55 AM PST by toshut
Today, Friday January 22, 2010, at 5 pm, Glenn Beck will be airing a documentary with a significant segment dedicated to highlighting the Ukrainian Famine/Genocide of 1933, also known as The Holodomor. It was planned and carried out by Stalin and the Communist Party of the USSR. An estimated 8-10 million people died as a result of this little known catastrophe because it has been covered up by Communists and their supporters in the media.
This is a must see documentary that will inform you about the horrors of Communism that few Americans are aware of.
A good source of historical information on this tragedy is the book "The Harvest of Sorrow" by Robert Conquest.
Outstanding book on the subject available on amazon.com
Conquest states in his book that for every letter (not word) in it 20 people died. It's 411 pages long.
Every member of the Communist Parties of Eastern Europe should have been banned from holding political office or voting for life. They should have been tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity, just like the National Socialists, even if the process took decades. Because they weren’t, we have to put up with scum like Putin and the other reinvented commies in the former Soviet Empire.
Yes Dr Zhivago was when i was little, and it was mainstream and a big hit i think. I think there was more honesty and openness back then, the Cold War was still at its height, the commies were still the bad guys back in the early 60s. The whitewashing has gone on subsequently.
Well, at least the Poles just smartened up and significantly cut the pensions of former Polish Security service agents
From FR member Parity
“Interesting sidenote: When Robert Conquest first published “Harvest of Sorrow” in the 1980’s, it was initially dismissed as being too “over the top.” Many of his primary sources were survivor interviews, and he was accused of cherry-picking the most sensational, most exaggerated accounts.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, as many of the records cited for Beck’s account began to be available, Conquest’s book was re-issued in 2002 (I believe). The publisher went to Conquest (who was still at Stanford’s Hoover Institute) and asked if he wanted to write a new foreward for this edition.
His initial response? “How about,’See, you f**ks, I told you so!’”
The chapter on Walter Duranty and the NYT complicity in cover-up are devastating.”
The only pensions they should have received were bread and water in a cold, damp prison. That is, if they did not merit the death sentence.
I recall seeing that comment somewhere, possibly Amis’s “Koba the Dread” or Conquest’s “Reflections on a Ravaged Century”.
Good article and welcome to FR.
The only reason that I know about the Ukrainian genocide is that my father, who only had a high school education (he finished school at night during the Depression), told me about it when I was a boy. I never heard about it in high school or college courses, although I learned more from some college classmates who were of Ukrainian descent, but that was on our own time.
My father, who was a truly intelligent man, also railed about Fabian socialism (I think Beck will talk about this tonight), Mussolini (we’re Italian), and FDR.
Dad, I wish you were alive to watch this show with me tonight!
i thought that very thing myself.
Robert Conquest's book on the Ukrainian famine is a must read, but regarding the blind westerners Paul Hollander'Political Pilgrims is unsurpassed in my opinion.
Robert Conquest's book on the Ukrainian famine is a must read, but regarding the blind westerners Paul Hollander'Political Pilgrims is unsurpassed in my opinion.
Thanks for the kudos and welcome.
just doing my part to educate the masses, one person at a time on this subject
Unfortunately, being of Ukraianian decent, I have been utterly frustrated by the misrepresentation in school books as well as the media about Ukraine’s history and her suffering under Communism.
I concur the GB that Americans are too naive about the “real” history of communism, and it is romanticized by many in the media and academia.
If you do not get Foxnews, or cannot watch it on a VCR or DVR, then Foxnews can be watched live on line at:
http://www.foxnewsunderground.com/stream3/
or after the show, as a recording online at
More information on the Ukrainian Famine of 1933 can be found here:
http://www.faminegenocide.com/index.html
http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html
“And let us not forget that Durranty, the Webbs, George Bernard Shaw and many other “intellectuals” travelled through the Soviet in the early 30s and didn’t see anything.”
“E. E. Cummings traveled through The Soviet Union too. He had a different view... “Cummings traveled to the USSR in the summer of 1931 for 36 days. He took what must have been copious notes, and then when he returned, he wrote EIMI: A Journey Through Soviet Russia, which, after nearly 50 years out of print, has been reissued. Eimi is Greek for “I am,” an obvious reference to the value of the individual, which was being crushed under Stalin, a fact which many in the United States, especially artists and writers, did not see until decades later.” from WorldHum.com
America’s biggest trading partner venerates Mao (I believe his “immortal” remains are still on display in a Mausoleum). His death toll vastly exceeded Hitler’s. It’s kind of chilling to think about. Scads of holocaust films, memorials, easy and ongoing villification of krauts and yet the country that in some way even “economically owns” the USA... and to whom the USA has shed millions of jobs, was actually worse than Hitler in terms of sheer numbers of slaughtered human beings... (as was America’s Soviet ally in WW2).
I don’t know what it means, except that some holocausts are more holocausty than others, so long as the ideology is/was popular among intellectuals. And let’s face it, communism is/was extremely popular among the so-called Intellighenzia.
Naturally, it’s like comparing rotten fish with rotten meat... but, why isn’t the Holodomir common knowledge? 10/13 million people purposefully starved to death?
The conspiracy theorists have a ball blaming the Jews, (many Bolsheviks were Jews, many in the media, both info and entertainment were /are Jews).
I wish we would be given honest answers capable of putting things in perspective, without immediate cries of “vade retro Nazi!”
I think the real Jewish link has to do with the “Intellighenzia” and internationalst appeal. It would be only natural for them under their conditions (pogroms and suchlike) to go more towards the social as opposed to the cultural angle of totalitarianism.
Yes, I believe that it really isn’t a Jewish question, besides the fact that all those Jews were / are atheists, but a struggle between rich and complicated “scientific” utopian ideals and the more simplistic blood and soil, between “I have a dream” and this is “our volk and land.”
Well the omelette was made and there’s no getting the eggs back into their shells, but the huge disparity remains. Some of those slaughtered as a result of a couple of centuries of veneration of the state are surely worth more than others.
Another slaughter comes to mind, the one perpetrated by the “Enlightened” French right after their revolution for Liberty, Fraternity and Equality... the wholesale hecatomb perpetrated upon the people of the Vendée. This too is not taught.
The Ukrainians, Armenians, Christian Chaldeans, Assyrians, etc, are the unfortunate vicitms of the Boslheviks in Hollyweird and the Mainstream U.S. Media who will not expose the crimes of Communists, Muscovite Imperialists, Maoists, Khymer Rouge, Muslims, etc because it threatens their domestic and foreign political agendas.
Imagine somebody refering to “Uncle Adolf” or “Uncle Tojo”.
The only reason that I know about the Ukrainian genocide is that my father . . . told me about it when I was a boy.
Did he mention any name(s) in connection with it? For example, Nikita S. Khrushchev who, IINM, had a prominent role in carrying it out.
Lies, damned lies and statistics! Walter Duranty of that blessed oracle the NEW YORK TIMES says it was like a paradise on earth!
ok, Sarc/off
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