Posted on 01/23/2010 8:25:23 AM PST by GL of Sector 2814
Amid the mass of aid agencies piling in to help Haiti quake victims is a batch of Church of Scientology "volunteer ministers", claiming to use the power of touch to reconnect nervous systems.
Clad in yellow T-shirts emblazoned with the logo of the controversial US-based group, smiling volunteers fan out among the injured lying under makeshift shelters in the courtyard of Port-au-Prince's General Hospital.
A wealthy private donor provided his airplane to fly in 80 volunteers from Los Angeles, along with 50 Haitian-American-doctors, in a gesture worth 400,000 dollars, said a Parisian volunteer who gave her name as Sylvie.
"We're trained as volunteer ministers, we use a process called 'assist' to follow the nervous system to reconnect the main points, to bring back communication," she said.
(...)
Some doctors at the hospital are skeptical. One US doctor, who asked not to be named, snorted: "I didn't know touching could heal gangrene."
When asked what the Scientologists are doing here, another doctor said: "I don't know."
Do you care? "Not really," she said, wheeling an unconscious patient out of the operating room to join hundreds of others in the hospital's sunny courtyard.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
“Along with setting bones, stitching wounds, transplanting organs, prescribing antibiotics, and other such trivialities... “
They can physically stitch you up or do transplants but did you ever wonder WHY some are more successful than others or WHY things don't work out for some? Do you really DENY that God is in control of any outcome? Really? A trained monkey can stitch someone up. Prescribing antibiotics is not the sign of a mental genius. Transplanting organs is NOT always successful and REJECTION is a major concern of doctors. ADULT stem cell research has had more success with many medical diseases than all the glorious OPINIONS that you hold do highly.
A good doctor prays for his patient
“While I have no objection to a doctor praying for me on his own time (whatever his faith), I would prefer that when treating me he stick to whatever medical science has aughts him thus far. If you want to go to a shaman, witch doctor, or faith healer that is of course your business.”\
Ah but not all gods are equal ... so you give yourself away again. Those who make real progress in the medical field have been humble Christians and the same is true of those that made breakthroughs in Science. It is a shame that all you library books have left out that nasty little fact. You see, those that seek true knowledge don't have to depend on pragmatism, or the EVOLVING of “truth”. You don't need to be uppity over how you would like to view your secular world.
“I'm diabetic, mind you. The only reason I can live a normal lifestyle is because of modern medicine, so I'm understandably biased towards medical practices that actually work. “
I have M.S. and take NO medicine as well as Graves’ disease. Dad is a diabetic and takes no medicine. He controls it with diet. I'd have no problem if he took medication. I am not “biased” to chemical drugs. I am not “biased” against God as you are. Diabetics is not exactly rocket science and is often treatable without drugs. So your praising of fallible mortals doesn't impress me. The Ultimate One, God, is the ONLY ONE that heals and decides when your time is up or if you are to be “healed” or not.
I see you have no comment on those that have say, cancer. Some survive and some don't. You could have identical patients with the same type and stage of cancer. God may take both, allow one to live or allow both to live. It is at His disgression not that of a secular doctor that only offers chemicals as his ultimate opinion that may or may not work.
So you can argue all you like that God doesn't exist or doesn't know more than fallible mortals. It is separate from me. I KNOW better. I've seen His miracles in action when secular doctors give up on patients and God pulls them through and they don't understand WHY the person lived.
I HATE NEW AGE ANTI-CHRIST LIES. What a waste indeed!~ J.S.
True spiritual healing comes through Christ,
while I believe God has given the doctors the knowledge to heal other people (thank God, and then them..),
God can preform miracles as well..however it is up to HIS will to determine when and where to do this, and for His glory, not ours!
~J.S.
What is being referred to is a Scientology technique known as a “touch assist”. It is not healing as in miraculously knitting bones and wounds, nor is it claimed by Scientologists to be a replacement for medicine. From what I gather, it is more of a psychological operation in which a frightened and injured person is brought out of a state of withdrawal and vulnerability into a state of engagement and optimism, potentially helping with lessening the effects of PTSD. Attempting to do this is a legitimate part of good nursing, no matter what the applied technique.
People have got to stop knee jerking over Scientology and educate themselves independently rather than succombing to group think. They share many conservative values- to them homosexuality is an aberration, abortion is the destruction of life, the human mind is sacrosanct and the use of drugs or invasive therapies to treat depression, hyperactivity, etc. is not acceptable, the use of “recreational” drugs is not acceptabel, patriotism is desireable, mental pathologies are to be cured not adjusted to and so on. Their root philosophy is based upon becoming a success in the workaday world, to function as an effective and relevant citizen, not withdrawing from it
Scientology continues to grow in the face of strong opposition because it’s methods of coping with life seem to result in productive practitioners who are financially capable of underwriting Scientology’s expansion, much like the early Mormons in the midwest, who became so successful in farming and business that they aroused the jealousy of their neighbors and were persecuted for it.
Wow, thanks for the info on Scientology. I am really going to have to rethink my abhorance and disgust associated with that really, really awesome religion. Could you please get me in touch with someone who could help me to join and become just as awesome? Money is no object either. So awesome.
Because not everyone is in the same state of health, and because there remains more medical discoveries, science, and technique to be discovered.
Do you really DENY that God is in control of any outcome? Really?
Since you can't prove a negative, I deny no such thing. As the the person making the assertion, it is up to you to provide evidence supporting it.
A trained monkey can stitch someone up
Really? You'd have no objection to a rhesus monkey performing surgery on you?
Prescribing antibiotics is not the sign of a mental genius.
When did I say that it was? You said "All ANY dcotor can offer is their OPINION." (which reminds me, you're still yelling, a violation of basic netiquette). My pointing out that doctors can prescribe antibiotics does not invalidate my point.
Transplanting organs is NOT always successful and REJECTION is a major concern of doctors.
Did I say it wasn't? This hardly invalidates medical science.
ADULT stem cell research has had more success with many medical diseases than all the glorious OPINIONS that you hold do highly.
Please. Stop. Yelling.
Stem cell research, adult or otherwise, is a subset of medical science. That's what I'm supporting. You're undermining your own argument.
Ah but not all gods are equal ... so you give yourself away again.
Give myself away? What am I trying to hide?
Those who make real progress in the medical field have been humble Christians and the same is true of those that made breakthroughs in Science.
Absolutely, look at Christians like Albert Einstein, Alan Turing, and Richard Feinman!
Er, waitaminute...
It is a shame that all you library books have left out that nasty little fact. You see, those that seek true knowledge don't have to depend on pragmatism, or the EVOLVING of “truth”. You don't need to be uppity over how you would like to view your secular world.
You're accusing me of being uppity?
I have M.S. and take NO medicine as well as Graves’ disease. Dad is a diabetic and takes no medicine. He controls it with diet. I'd have no problem if he took medication.
My, that's big of you.
I am not “biased” to chemical drugs. I am not “biased” against God as you are. Diabetics is not exactly rocket science and is often treatable without drugs.
And sometimes it's not, belief in God(s) notwithstanding. I freely admit to being biased against faith healers, shamans, and other witch doctors.
So your praising of fallible mortals doesn't impress me. The Ultimate One, God, is the ONLY ONE that heals and decides when your time is up or if you are to be “healed” or not.
God is the only one who decides whether or not you're healed, doctors don't have anything to do with it?
I see you have no comment on those that have say, cancer. Some survive and some don't. You could have identical patients with the same type and stage of cancer.
Cancer is an incredibly complex disease, and we still don't have the technology to reliably defeat it. Consider it "commented".
God may take both, allow one to live or allow both to live. It is at His disgression not that of a secular doctor that only offers chemicals as his ultimate opinion that may or may not work.
So when someone dies of cancer it's because God chose not to allow them live?
I find your worldview baffling.
So you can argue all you like that God doesn't exist
I have made no such argument. I simply don't believe that God exists...not the same thing.
or doesn't know more than fallible mortals.
I certainly haven't argued that. How can I argue about the characteristics of a being in which I have no belief?
It is separate from me. I KNOW better. I've seen His miracles in action when secular doctors give up on patients and God pulls them through and they don't understand WHY the person lived.
You are free to ascribe anything you wish to the supernatural. I choose to do otherwise.
From the original article:
"One hour ago he had no sensation in his left leg, so I explained the method to him, I touched him and after a while he said 'now I feel everything'," said Sylvie.
"Otherwise they might have had to amputate his other leg."
So he touches him, and now a leg that might have had to have been amputated no longer has to be. You bet.
Posting that link was rather cruel of you; I felt brain cells dying one by one as I looked at it.
Here's a link with a more rational look at mister Emoto's theory that water looks pretty when you say nice things to it, and ugly when you say words like "Adolph Hitler". Yeesh...
http://www.randi.org/jr/052303.html
I am actually, pseudoscience is just a pet peeve of mine. I have a few days off and I'm inventorying (is that a word?) my library. Tedious, but I'll be glad when it's done!
By GL, is that indicitive of "Open GL"?
Obscure comic book in-joke. GL stands for "Green Lantern". There are 7200 Green Lanterns (they're sort of Galactic Policemen), and Earth is in Sector 2814.
As you can see, I'm using the word "joke" rather loosely :-)
There are cases of people being healed by such powers, however, one needs to recognize the Adversary can heal many physical ailments as well as Christ. Unfortunately, such healing by methods other than within the domain of man or through the authority of Christ can lead to demonic involvement.
Scientology is well known for dabbling in the occult and has an obsessive preoccupation with angelic assitance in their worldly power systems.
From voodoo to Scientology is correct, but it is not going in the right direction of seeking legitimate healing. Instead it is a counterfeit system leading the followers astray into much more degenerate thinking and possibly even demon possession.
I suspect Scientology was led there in part due to the infamous history of voodoo within the Haitian culture, indicating fallen angels or evil familiar spirits are in the area more than willing to mislead as many humans as possible in the area.
They likely will not reveal themselves to the medically qualified professionals, and agnostics or human secularists, because those groups pose no spiritual challenge to the fallen. But they will be very interested in those seeking help from ANY source, opening a door for their involvement in human affairs. Such is a slave market which many who are raised in a Judeo-Christian culture have not directly identified, because other worldly systems provide for their needs without placing faith in anything but human systems of problem solving.
Well, it's going to take more than one day; I want to do this right, so I'm listing every book in my computer by title, author, and value (if it's particularly valuable). I should get through paperback fiction today, but that still leaves all the graphic novels, roleplaying books, and nonfiction. Might have it done it 2 or 3 more days.
PS: The liberal books go in the round filing cabinet.
That part's long done!
Simply totally and unequivocally false.
Instead it is a counterfeit system leading the followers astray into ... even demon possession.
Nope. FAR worse than that.
They likely will not reveal themselves to the medically qualified professionals,
Usually they do. Even the docs who don't think it does any good are glad to have someone keeping the less critically injured from getting in the way.
Better my finite opinions than your evil fantasy god.
I got that 5 X 5, Tu! You can just mosey down to the Org on Main St. in any sizeable city and in more countries that we can feel easy about! Hi five, d%d!
Scientology is a bad idea all around.
Nope. Although it would be far less dangerous if that were even vaguely true.
The really big problem with scientology it the simple fact that so much of it actually does work.
Although Hubbard did create some new techniques, and did provide an internally consistant philosophical framework, mostly he collected workable stuff from all over, and re-branded it as his own.
The only reasons scientology hasn't taken over the world is diminishing returns, organizational abuse, and that the upper levels undo the much good the lower levels manage to accomplish.
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