Obama can’t take our guns, so he’s got his UN and international stooges trying: we can’t let them

The Collins Report ^ | January 23, 2010 | Suzanne Eovaldi

[darkside321]

No, we do not. We live in a constitutional republic. That means the 51% can govern ONLY within narrow limits defined by the constitution. Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. A constitutional republic says the sheep cannot be on the menu no matter what the wolves say,,, AND the sheep gets to back it up with a magnum.

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oh i was aware the 51% is not eought to trow over the US constitution. What i wanted to say was if enought people would be willing to drop it it would not be worth the paper it was written on. (of course i don´t think that this would ever happen) but if you would find enought people to back this. again the US constitution would be worth nothing. as long as some people would be willing to fight about it ok. but when the massive crowd takes over??? it´s an ilusion to think that this will be forever granted.

[familyop]

"If it takes 40 posts on a Conservative BBS, where the participants are presumably knowledgeable concerning the Founding Documents, history, politics, and civics, to find the fallacy of the article posted, what does that say about the rest of the population?"

Thank you, too. I posted a clarification with a couple of hasty citations in comment #57. On that matter, as you apparently know, the U.S. Constitution refers to "the Constitution or Laws of any State"--not the United States Constitution.

I'm not a lawyer and don't have time for much research or a formal paper on the issue, but maybe that will help. On second thought, though, maybe the marching morons will run right past it for their trips to venus (re. Cyril Kornbluth, "The Marching Morons").

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

In actual fact it’s the Third Amendment that’s outlived its usefullness.

Not exactly. The reason for the Third was that the King of France used to quarter his soldiers in the homes of wealthy Hottentots. Having to house and feed a squad or several squads of soldiers would drain the family purse while saving the king a few francs.

This is still used in some countries that do not have the Third Amendment as a shield.

[gibtx2]

smile me either..

[familyop]

I looked at your FR page and saw that you moved to SD years ago. I’m in CO and am building a place too far from power lines to hook up for electricity. Wow—the codes and ordinances nowadays...! ...already designed for 50 psf snow load and am getting an engineering manual Monday to design for 110 mph wind load (over 9,000 feet here). ...details, details. The drainback solar heating system from scratch is going to be fun, too, with at least one of the code items favoring manufacturers. ...will become a temporary manufacturer, along with temporarily becoming an architect.

We’re using goats to clean the place up before putting calves on it. ...soil testing, fertilizing, etc., and doing what no ranchers have done before (yeah, right) on such “overgrazed” and useless land (according to the various local racket interests).

[ApplegateRanch]

One of my old tag lines: The Marching Morons are coming...and now they are double-timing!

Loved that story!

[oneolcop]

Amen! See Sipsey Street Irregulars for another fine site along the lines we’re talking.

[JustaDumbBlonde]

"Law abiding Louisiana citizens saw their guns confiscated after Katrina,..."

Thanks to Bobby Jindal and the NRA, that will not happen again.

[gibtx2]

here it comes ... they are not going to go easy ... so focus

[EdReform]

I have already told my brothers and sisters in blue that if any orders come down to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens, they will be fighting me as well. Most said, I am with you.

If any orders come down, it will be the Fed trying to make it happen. We locals have some serious trust issues with the Feds as well. They can’t make us do anything. They don’t have the wherewithal or the resources to start arresting local officers who tell them to get bent. Besides, try arresting a cop on some trumped BS charges, and you will have the resisting of your life.

Good to hear! I belong to a local Oath Keepers group as a Citizen Associate member, and we've been told the same thing - local law enforcement will NOT follow illegal orders to confiscate citizens' firearms.

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[Vaquero]

I have a blue helmet reticle on my tacticle scope......

[EdReform]

As you are not an American you perhaps do not know that every member of the military, every office holder swears to "Uphold, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America". Violate that oath and game over.

Ping to reply 70 in this thread.

[Sloth]

A Treaty CAN supercede the Constitution..... HOWEVER..... the Treaty must be ratified. by 2/3 of the Senate.

Uh, no. Treaties are at the same level as acts/statutes. The Constitution is always supreme. Now, that doesn't stop Congress and legislatures from passing things in violation of the Second Amendment all the time, but those "laws" are legally null, as would be any such treaty.

[SJSAMPLE]

You act like you’re the first person to discover the SA.
Here on FR, we use it as a baseline.
We know it exists, but we also know that the other side doesn’t give a sh!t.

Those of us paying attention know that something as silly as The Constitution will not stop these totalitarians..

[Carry_Okie]

Treaties are "Law of the Land" WITH, not above, provisions of the Constitution; in cases of conflict, the Constitution trumps the treaty provisions.

Please give us an example. The Constitution might not say what most of us would prefer to think it does.

[AmericanArchConservative]

The initial disobedience might be at least nominally, perhaps perfunctorily civil.

If the confiscation efforts escalated at all beyond a disinterested, 30 second knock-and-talk Q & A...

then “Disobedience” would send Interpol or blue helmets away in zippered black poly bags with quick, ruthless, most uncivil efficiency.

know your neighbors - know who among them own guns and stand ready to use them beside you in defense of our communities, our sovereign states, our Constitution, and the G_d-granted rights that it articulates as reserved to us.

A.A.C.

[EdReform]

Check out the Apple Seed program going on around the country started by Fred from FredsM14Stocks.com. He has an excellent program to get people into shooting are rekindling the old spirit of American Marksmanship.

Appleseed Bump!

[GeronL]

The UN cannot supercede the Constitution.

[green iguana]

A Treaty CAN supercede the Constitution..... HOWEVER..... the Treaty must be ratified. by 2/3 of the Senate.

Two mistakes there Laz. A treaty cannot supercede the Constitution. A treaty is treated no differently from a law passed by Congress - if it violates the Constitution, it is void. 'Course it takes a while to wind thru the legal system, but...

The second thing is a bit scary. A treaty only needs be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate 'present'. Present is key. For the Senate to be present it needs a quorum, or 51 Senators. So a treaty could be ratified by as little as 34 Senators. Even that's not likely wrt the treaty discussed here. It'd be political suicide, if not the more literal kind.

[bamahead]

IANSA head Rebecca Peters said, “It’s time (for) tough, tough gun laws,” ... “U.S. citizens don’t have the blanket right to use guns as they see fit,” declared Amnesty International’s Henry Smith.

Try us, Henry.



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