Skip to comments.Obama's BC Amendment was in last 6 months Before He Announced His Run For Presidency
Posted on 02/07/2010 9:15:33 PM PST by butterdezillion
Heres some new information havent even added it to my blog yet.
According to http://uspolitics.about.com/od/senators/a/barack_obama.htm , Axelrod started videotaping Obama in 2003 for footage that he later used in Obamas January 16, 2007 announcement that he would run for the presidency.
According to the UIPA responses received by Terri K and myself and the retention schedules for receipts, Obamas amendment happened sometime between September of 2006 and January of 2007, since those records are to be retained for 3 years and receipts for fees to amend Obamas vital records were denied to Terri K in September of 2006 and no longer existed when I requested them in January of 2010.
IOW, the DOH has revealed that in the last 6 months before Obama announced his run for the presidency he amended his birth record in Hawaii. That amendment was before the Factcheck COLB was printed in June of 2007 so if that COLB was legitimate it would definitely have had note of the amendment. So the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLBs are definitely forgeries and not just a COLB printed before the amendment was made.
Again, my conclusions are entirely based upon what the Hawaii Department of Health has stated in official responses to official UIPA requests and the laws, rules, and regulations which govern the records and statements they have made. If we take Hawaii at its word this is the natural conclusion we would make.
The certificate number and filing date that are mismatched according to the Nordyke certificate numbers and filing date confirm this also.
I havent checked this out yet, but the documentary requirements to amend a birth certificate 45 years after the birth would be hard to come by. What kind of evidence would be sufficient to prove that a record in existence for 45 years and never corrected before had been wrong all along? What would a person legitimately correct 45 years after the birth after having used that birth certificate for 45 years whenever documentation was needed and never challenging the facts contained on it?
Can anybody help me on this?
Honest black people should be the most enraged by this lying bastard because his deceits will create a hurdle too high for an honest black person seeking the Presidency. The first black president turns out to be a lying criminal fraud and a huge percentage of black people voted for him and believed he was an excellent first for them. He is anything but. Yet too many still trudge on blindly because he is the first and to relent and admit he is nothing more than a fraud would be to admit they hooked their worship to a wicked man.
Somewhere in the world ( not necessarily on this site) in the past (not sure when) an empty suit was born
I have thought there are two reasons for Obama’s BC to be hidden from view.
1. He was not born in the U.S.
2. or, he has something embarrassing on the certificate.
I really can’t think, though, what would be so embarrassing on his birth certificate. A different father? I am totally against Obama’s agenda, but I don’t blame him for who his father may have been. No child chooses his parents. I wouldn’t hold that against anybody.
I guess if he started out lying he has to continue to lie.
History will tell. I hope it tells before I leave this earth. Because there is a reason why his birth certificate has not been produced.
That site notes that Obama announced in September of 2006 that he was considering a run for the presidency. This is within the timeframe when he amended his birth record. The timing of it all definitely raises red flags. The amendment just about had to deal with something vital to his run for the presidency - something that he wasn’t worried about when he ran for the US Senate. Hmm...... Wonder what might cause problems in a run for the presidency that wouldn’t cause problems in a run for Senate....
Just pinging a few names that pop into my feeble mind.
FBOB! Foreign Born Obummer Bump! BTTT!
You are incorrect about one fact.
An amendment to Obama’s birth certificate would be noted ONLY on his Long Form BC.
There is actually a box on the Long Form BC, in the lower left corner, that requires a statement of pertinent facts, plus the name of the official who approved the amendment.
Hawaii's Short Form Birth Certificate, which is what the Obama campaign released in 2007, ONLY reproduces the information from the Long Form.
The Short Form does NOT tell you if the information has been amended or not.
Do I understand you correctly....
You have documentary evidence, a receipt, that shows Obama made a payment to Hawaii to amend his Long Form Birth Certificate?
That's staggering...if it's real.
Please link to it or post it immediately.
You are true patriot. I can not thank you enough for all your hard work. You are very brave. May God watch over you and your family.
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I think that he has no father listed...and that his name is actually Barry Dunham, since that was his mom’s name and he went by Barry for so many years. Of course none of that is his fault.
He runs into problems due to his book “Dreams of My Father” which is a bunch of hogwash, if he isn’t sure who his father was. So, it’s in his interest in hiding his BC, but if it comes out, it’s nothing career ending
Here is my answer to your question. Very simple and straight-forward ... in other words, possible or probable.
What was his big claim to fame when he ran for president? IOW what made him even more attractive to democrats as a candidate than even Hillary. He was the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT! Whooee! This was so historical. How many millions of votes were cast for no other reason than they were voting for the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT?
Ok. So his mother was white. His birth certificate was assigned in 1961. What if the father wasn’t present, which is pretty likely? If you were preparing the birth certificate and you had the white mother here and the light skinned little Barry in front of you, what would you write in the RACE? column. How about Caucasian? Seems likely.
Now, 45 years later little Barry is running as the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, hoping to get millions of votes just for that fact. Does he want anyone to see his birth certificate that says he is Caucasion?
Father: Random Dude I met in the park bathroom
Name: Not what I claim it to be
Any of the above. Not that we’ll ever see it. And as President with executive powers I’m sure the issue(s) have been resolved.
The Certification of Live Birth is, according to the Administrative Rules, actually called an Abbreviated Birth Certificate. Those same rules say that a note of amendments must be included on certificates. I’ve asked the DOH whether the COLB is considered a verification and it’s not. If it’s not a verification it is an abbreviated certificate and as such it must contain note of amendments.
I believe this is why the DOH refuses to release, to anyone who requests them, the non-certified copies of abbreviated birth certificates as authorized by the Administrative Rules and thus required to be released under UIPA. They know that on any certificate they print out, the amendment has to be noted. They want to act as though the release of index data is the same thing but it isn’t - precisely because index data doesn’t indicate the filing status of the record, which is why a person would want to see the certificate itself. The certificate has to have that note - even if it is an abbreviated certificate (COLB).
To back up what I’m saying, scroll down to the bottom of the first post by rxsid to see a COLB with note of an amendment on it. See http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4960045241001/m/3400069332001
I do not have the receipts because when the receipts still existed in September of 2009, the DOH refused to disclose them to Terri K, saying that they were exempt from disclosure because of UIPA’s privacy exemption. But the fact that they refused to disclose them means that they existed. The only way to deny access without admitting that the record exists is to use a Glomar response - “the records, IF ANY, are protected from disclosure”. Without the “if any” phrase, a denial is confirmation that the requested records exist. (This is explained in OIP Opinion Letter 07-01, written in 2007 by the current acting director of the OIP, Cathy Takase).
Well yes, if Obama did amend his BC records in 2006, the amendment should have been on the Obama COLB that was first published at the DailyKommie’s website on June 12, 2008.
Ping to myself so I can use this information tomorrow (if I can get my sick son well and get my part-time job done. lol)
Thank you, null and void!!
Thanks for the ping!
Here’s a piece of reasoning that Miss Tickly (Terri K) actually used in her requests to the DOH and OIP - which she argued very convincingly. It’s a shame that neither office even read past the first paragraph of her e-mail and thus missed her reasoning.
Fukino’s July 27, 2009 announcement referred to Obama’s vital recordS (plural) which she said verify that Obama was born in Hawaii. But if Obama’s original certificate was amended to change the race of the father, or anything but the birthplace, she would not have needed to look at anything but the original BC.
The DOH has stated that the only vital event they have for President Obama is his birth record. When Fukino mentioned his vital recordS (plural) she is confirming that there is more than one record involving Obama’s one vital event (birth) and it was only by looking at all of those records - and not just his original birth certificate (whose existence she referred to in October of 2008)that she was able to find records of a Hawaii birth.
Fukino’s July 27, 2009 statement was heralded as her confirmation that the Factcheck COLB was genuine but in actual fact it confirmed that it wasn’t. Her statement only makes sense if Obama actually amended his birthplace.
Sorry. I forgot to ping you on this, MT. I’m sort of slow on learning forum etiquette.
MT, I still stand amazed at what you accomplished with your work behind the scenes. You are one amazing person.
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I don’t know? If your BC says you are Caucasion, would anyone preparing a passport for you ever question it? IOW, do they look at you, see you have dark skin and say we are changing your race on the passport? I don’t think so, but I have no experience with a personal event like that. Therefore, I believe his passport also says he is Caucasion, again making it a document he wants no one to see.
Many, many thanks, Doctor Bulldog! I’ll see what I can do with it tomorrow (Lord willing).
VERY interesting! I had not known that amendments were included on the COLB. That would certainly seem to indicate that the online COLB is almost certainly a forgery, since the DOH has confirmed that Barry had his long form amended.
Anyway, thanks for passing on the knowledge. I’ll be sure to use that tidbit in the near future.
IMO, having Caucasian on his BC is no big deal. It could be easily explained away - his Caucasian mother wanted it on his BC. It’s obvious he’s of a mixed race.
The other thing is that there would be no shame in somebody half-Caucasian and half-Black to have it show on their COLB that they amended their record to say the race is “African”. If that was what he changed, then why not just leave the note of that amendment on the COLB? What would be embarrassing about that?
But he didn’t even use his OWN COLB and just delete the note of the amendment either. If he had done that, the certificate number and filing date would not have been an impossible combination in comparison with the Nordyke BC’s. As it is he either used somebody else’s COLB and forged his own particulars, or else changed either the certificate number or the filing date of his own or somebody else’s - because any COLB with that number had to be filed with the state registrar AFTER the Nordykes’ were filed on Aug 11th - not on the 8th as the Factcheck and FTS COLB’s say.
Kudos to both of you, toiling away. ;)
I stand corrected....maybe.
The amendment on the COLB you link to appears to be a routine name change, which is the most common amendment sought.
It also appears to fall under a routine authorization issued by the Lt. Gov’s office in 2001, two years before this specific name change was actually requested in 2003.
I would like to see Short Forms that show amendments for the location of birth or for parental names or for witnesses to the birth.
Do you have the link to the Administrative Rules that require listing all amendments on the Short Form?
Thanks for your help, if you do.
Effective October 23, 2009
Closed on Furlough Days
Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has become legally adopted
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has undergone a sex change operation:
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made:
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and previously recorded information in relation to the persons surname and/or the fathers personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law:
For a person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii:
Note: Any additional application forms that may be required will be provided by the Department of Health after receipt of the necessary documents in support of the establishment of an amended certificate of birth.Further Information and Assistance
To obtain more information about applying for an amended certificate of birth, you may:
- or -
Counter service is available Monday - Friday (excluding holidays and furlough days), from 7:45 a.m. - 2:30 p.m. Appointments are preferred.
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parents marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.
24 Why did Barack Obama resign from the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why did Michelle Obama resign from the Illinois bar after only about four years of practice and where are all of the relevant documents?
Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.
If you want to do some looking of all the links to Hawaii, here’s the search criteria and Google link below.
“amend birth records site:hawaii.gov”
I am starting to think that he is not the real Barack Obama.
He is an imposter. Maybe thats why we never heard from his grandma, and why Mooshelle never visited her with him.
Who the heck is this person?
The Administrative Rules are posted at http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/8%208A%20B%20VR%20Admin%20Rules.pdf .
In Chapter 8b, Section 3.1 tells when the certificate needs to be marked as “altered” - including when there are major administrative changes 90 days or more after the event. 3.4(B) describes major administrative amendments. 3.5(B) lists the major administrative amendments. 3.9 describes how the certificate has to be marked when amended. 3.11 describes that fees are only charged when the registrant or his/her representative was responsible for the error on the certificate.
Regarding the COLB, Section 2.5 addresses “Eligibility for Copies of Birth Certificates” and lists two kinds of certificates - standard and abbreviated. That corresponds to what most people call “long-form” or “short-form”. Those are the only two kinds of birth documents mentioned in the Administrative Rules. It doesn’t refer to certifications. Hawaii statute (HRS 338-18) refers to “verification in lieu of a certified copy” but the DOH confirmed that they don’t do that. When they are asked to verify something they send a certified abbreviated birth certificate (Certification of Live Birth).
So what is (or was) titled the “Certification of Live Birth” is the abbreviated birth certificate referred to in the rules. It is a birth certificate. The rules referenced above talk about amendments needing to be noted on the certificates. It doesn’t say only the standard certificates so it seems to apply to ALL certificates - even abbreviated ones.
The abbreviated certificates don’t have a place to record the witnesses to the birth. I also would love to see some COLB’s that have amendments to the place of birth. I don’t think they are very common though, because very few people would mistake the city where they gave birth. In what kind of circumstance would a person change the place of birth?
Especially if a person was born in a hospital, since the hospital would fill out the location and other general information like that. If a person was born at Kapiolani Hospital, for instance.... the hospital would put Honolulu as the place of birth. Why would a person ever change that place of birth if they were born at Kapiolani Hospital? If the doctor signed the birth certificate saying they witnessed a birth at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, how would a person change that detail on the birth certificate without calling the doctor who signed it a liar?
The certificate number and filing date that are mismatched according to the Nordyke certificate numbers and filing date confirm this also.Out of sequence certificate number is indicative of a new birth record created by Court order after the original birth record is sealed.
to read in the morning
According to his book “Dreams”, Tutu gave Mooshelle a very high compliment “that she seems to be a very sensible girl” when they were visiting BHO grandparents in Hawaii before they got married,
So you're saying he's a dark-skinned caucasian who has uses a white guy dialect when he wants to?