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The Tragic Truth of War ... Killing the enemy brings victory [Victor Davis Hanson]
NRO ^ | February 17, 2010 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/17/2010 6:52:26 AM PST by Tolik

                                      It’s politically incorrect to mention it, but even in an age of terrorism and insurgency, killing the enemy remains a key to victory

Victory has usually been defined throughout the ages as forcing the enemy to accept certain political objectives. “Forcing” usually meant killing, capturing, or wounding men at arms. In today’s polite and politically correct society we seem to have forgotten that nasty but eternal truth in the confusing struggle to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.

What stopped the imperial German army from absorbing France in World War I and eventually made the Kaiser abdicate was the destruction of a once magnificent army on the Western front — superb soldiers and expertise that could not easily be replaced. Saddam Hussein left Kuwait in 1991 when he realized that the U.S. military was destroying his very army. Even the North Vietnamese agreed to a peace settlement in 1973, given their past horrific losses on the ground and the promise that American air power could continue indefinitely inflicting its damage on the North.

When an enemy finally gives up, it is for a combination of reasons — material losses, economic hardship, loss of territory, erosion of civilian morale, fright, mental exhaustion, internal strife. But we forget that central to a concession of defeat is often the loss of the nation’s soldiers — or even the threat of such deaths.

A central theme in most of the memoirs of high-ranking officers of the Third Reich is the attrition of their best warriors. In other words, among all the multifarious reasons why Nazi Germany was defeated, perhaps the key was that hundreds of thousands of its best aviators, U-boaters, panzers, infantrymen, and officers, who swept to victory throughout 1939–41, simply perished in the fighting and were no longer around to stop the allies from doing pretty much what they wanted by 1944–45.

After Stalingrad and Kursk, there were not enough good German soldiers to stop the Red Army. Even the introduction of jets could not save Hitler in 1945 — given that British and American airmen had killed thousands of Luftwaffe pilots between 1939 and 1943.

After the near destruction of the Grand Army in Russia in 1812, even Napoleon’s genius could not restore his European empire. Serial and massive Communist offensives between November 1950 and April 1951 in Korea cost Red China hundreds of thousands of its crack infantry — and ensured that, for all its aggressive talk, it would never retake Seoul in 1952–53.

But aren’t these cherry-picked examples from conventional wars of the past that have no relevance to the present age of limited conflict, terrorism, and insurgency where ideology reigns?

Not really. We don’t quite know all the factors that contributed to the amazing success of the American “surge” in Iraq in 2007–08. Surely a number of considerations played a part: Iraqi anger at the brutish nature of al-Qaeda terrorists in their midst; increased oil prices that brought massive new revenues into the country; General Petraeus’s inspired counterinsurgency tactics that helped win over Iraqis to our side by providing them with jobs and security; much-improved American equipment; and the addition of 30,000 more American troops.

But what is unspoken is also the sheer cumulative number of al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists that the U.S. military killed or wounded between 2003 and 2008 in firefights from Fallujah to Basra. There has never been reported an approximate figure of such enemy dead — perhaps wisely, in the post-Vietnam age of repugnance at “body counts” and the need to create a positive media image.


Nevertheless, in those combat operations, the marines and army not only proved that to meet them in battle was a near death sentence, but also killed thousands of low-level terrorists and hundreds of top-ranking operatives who otherwise would have continued to harm Iraqi civilians and American soldiers. Is Iraq relatively quiet today because many who made it so violent are no longer around?

Contemporary conventional wisdom tries to persuade us that there is no such thing as a finite number of the enemy. Instead, killing them supposedly only incites others to step up from the shadows to take their places. Violence begets violence. It is counterproductive, and creates an endless succession of the enemy. Or so we are told.

We may wish that were true. But military history suggests it is not quite accurate. In fact, there was a finite number of SS diehards and kamikaze suicide bombers even in fanatical Nazi Germany and imperial Japan. When they were attrited, not only were their acts of terror curtailed, but it turned out that far fewer than expected wanted to follow the dead to martyrdom.

The Israeli war in Gaza is considered by the global community to be a terrible failure — even though the number of rocket attacks against Israeli border towns is way down. That reduction may be due to international pressure, diplomacy, and Israeli goodwill shipments of food and fuel to Gaza — or it may be due to the hundreds of Hamas killers and rocketeers who died, and the thousands who do not wish to follow them, despite their frequently loud rhetoric about a desire for martyrdom.

Insurgencies, of course, are complex operations, but in general even they are not immune from eternal rules of war. Winning hearts and minds is essential; providing security for the populace is crucial; improving the economy is critical to securing the peace. But all that said, we cannot avoid the pesky truth that in war — any sort of war — killing enemy soldiers stops the violence.

For all the much-celebrated counterinsurgency tactics in Afghanistan, note that we are currently in an offensive in Helmand province to “secure the area.” That means killing the Taliban and their supporters, and convincing others that they will meet a violent fate if they continue their opposition.

Perhaps the most politically incorrect and Neanderthal of all thoughts would be that the American military’s long efforts in both Afghanistan and Iraq to kill or capture radical Islamists has contributed to the general safety inside the United States. Modern dogma insists that our presence in those two Muslim countries incited otherwise non-bellicose young Muslims to suddenly prefer violence and leave Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or Egypt to flock to kill the infidel invader.

A more tragic view would counter that there was always a large (though largely finite) number of radical jihadists who, even before 9/11, wished to kill Americans. They went to those two theaters, fought, died, and were therefore not able to conduct as many terrorist operations as they otherwise would have, and also provided a clear example to would-be followers not to emulate their various short careers. That may explain why in global polls the popularity both of bin Laden and of the tactic of suicide bombing plummeted in the Middle Eastern street — at precisely the time America was being battered in the elite international press for the Iraq War.


Even the most utopian and idealistic do not escape these tragic eternal laws of war. Barack Obama may think he can win over the radical Islamic world — or at least convince the more moderate Muslim community to reject jihadism — by means such as his Cairo speech, closing Guantanamo, trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in New York, or having General McChrystal emphatically assure the world that killing Taliban and al-Qaeda terrorists will not secure Afghanistan.

Of course, such soft- and smart-power approaches have utility in a war so laden with symbolism in an age of globalized communications. But note that Obama has upped the number of combat troops in Afghanistan, and he vastly increased the frequency of Predator-drone assassination missions on the Pakistani border.

Indeed, even as Obama damns Guantanamo and tribunals, he has massively increased the number of targeted assassinations of suspected terrorists — the rationale presumably being either that we are safer with fewer jihadists alive, or that we are warning would-be jihadists that they will end up buried amid the debris of

a mud-brick compound, or that it is much easier to kill a suspected terrorist abroad than detain, question, and try a known one in the United States.

In any case, the president — immune from criticism from the hard Left, which is angrier about conservative presidents waterboarding known terrorists than liberal ones executing suspected ones — has concluded that one way to win in Afghanistan is to kill as many terrorists and insurgents as possible. And while the global public will praise his kinder, gentler outreach, privately he evidently thinks that we will be safer the more the U.S. marines shoot Taliban terrorists and the more Hellfire missiles blow up al-Qaeda planners.

Why otherwise would a Nobel Peace Prize laureate order such continued offensive missions?

Victory is most easily obtained by ending the enemy’s ability to resist — and by offering him an alternative future that might appear better than the past. We may not like to think all of that entails killing those who wish to kill us, but it does, always has, and tragically always will — until the nature of man himself changes


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: history; militaryhistory; vdh; victordavishanson; war; waronterror

1 posted on 02/17/2010 6:52:27 AM PST by Tolik
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Victor Davis Hanson:

Just a partial list: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index:

The New, Upside-Down War on Terror
Why Did Rome Fall—And Why Does It Matter Now?
Why Fear Big Government? The more of it, the more dangerous and creepy our lives become
The Trouble With Elitist Theories. Nobody likes to be lectured by those claiming superior wisdom but lacking common sense
Victory — How Quaint an Idea! Defeating Islamic terrorism is not only definable and possible, but closer than ever before
Partisanship, Then and Now
Civilization’s Lies [Victor Davis Hanson on the West embracing noble lies not squaring with reality]
America Rides Off into the Sunset. The only people excited about the “change” in America's foreign policy are the world’s bad actors
Mr. President, Words Matter. Obama, the rhetorician, forgot that people might actually take seriously what he said
Our Obama Saga [Victor Davis Hanson dissects Obama, painfully, again]
The Obamarang. [Victor Davis Hanson dissects, deconstructs, ridicules and demolishes Zero’s lies]
Trashing the Job Makers. The Obama administration’s tax-talking frenzy has left business owners feeling uncertain
Post-election Thoughts (Liberals do not understand populist outrage. Bloodletting will Continue)
Our Philosopher-King Obama. He doesn’t mind pushing noble legislation that most people oppose
Why The Great And Growing Backlash? What Scott Brown’s election portends for the Obama agenda
"Let me be perfectly NOT clear" & "Make lots of MISTAKES about it" [Victor Davis Hanson on Obama's lies]
Truths We Dare Not Speak. Five propositions that simply have become taboo
2010: Our Year of Decision
Beating the Dead Terrorist Horse. September 11 taught us many lessons. To our peril, we have forgotten them
A Humpty-Dumpty View of the World
2009 Chickens and Their 2010 Roost
Where Did These Guys Come From? The Origins of Obamism
The War Against the Wannabe Rich. Why attack the productive classes who want to be rich?
The Long March From California to Copenhagen [Hanson on debate between capitalism and socialism]
The Palin Wonder
Why Are We Tiring of Obama?
If Iran Refuses To Cooperate, Block Its Ports
Riding the Back of the Tiger [Victor Davis Hanson on Obama not understanding What Causes Wars...]
What Bush Inherited, and What He Left Left Behind
Who Are ‘They’? To Obama, “they” are responsible for all our troubles. Problem is, “they” are most of us
Afghan Mythologies. We have everything we need to defeat the Taliban.
The Discreet Charm of the Left-wing Plutocracy
Truman and the Principles of U.S. Foreign Policy. Jimmy Carter rejected the postwar consensus. President Obama appears to be following a similar path
Dr. Barack and Mr. Obama - The backlash is sharp as voters learn that Obama is not the man they thought he was
Obama and "Redistributive Change". His real agenda
The War Against the Producers
President Palin’s First 100 Days. Imagine if Sarah Palin had Obama’s record
Thoughts About Depressed Americans
Our Battered American [gets angrier - Must Read Rant]
Just a partial list. Much more at the link:  http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index
2 posted on 02/17/2010 6:53:31 AM PST by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; SJackson; dennisw; kellynla; monkeyshine; Alouette; nopardons; ...

 

  Ping !

Let me know if you want in or out.

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His website: http://victorhanson.com/

3 posted on 02/17/2010 6:57:30 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Victory is most easily obtained by ending the enemy’s ability to resist

Which doesn't always involve killing. Truly great leaders will win as many battles and wars as possible without firing a shot. Witness Ronald Reagan's defeat of the Soviet Union. However, when circumstances dictate, carpet bombing has its place, too.

and by offering him an alternative future that might appear better than the past.

Sadly, the devout Muslims, much like urban youth have been taught to regard Western middle-class stability and serenity as a vile fate to be avoided... which makes such an approach far more difficult. The terrorists have designed their strategy to thwart our usual effective responses... and to their credit, they've been most successful at doing so.

We may not like to think all of that entails killing those who wish to kill us, but it does, always has, and tragically always will — until the nature of man himself changes.

And the ultimate tragedy is that this is exactly what the idealists in the Progressive Left have in mind... changing the hearts and minds of all of us (aka human nature), in an effort to achieve their Utopian fantasies. Of course, every time it's been tried in reality (and even in science fiction!), the results are typically horrific. How they can willfully ignore this fact is the most puzzling and unconscionable thing of all.

4 posted on 02/17/2010 7:03:16 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Tolik

I was hoping to see the new “memory” bombs dropped on our future enemies, won’t kill anyone unless they forget how to breath, neuralyzes the memory back to infancy.


5 posted on 02/17/2010 7:07:52 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists." ~~George W. Bush)
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To: stylecouncilor; firep0w3r

VDH ping!


6 posted on 02/17/2010 7:19:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Teacher317
"Truly great leaders will win as many battles and wars as possible without firing a shot."

That's right out of Sun-Tzu...

"For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."

7 posted on 02/17/2010 7:25:34 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Eye of Unk

I’m convinced that my 14 year old son gets hit with one every night in his sleep.......


8 posted on 02/17/2010 7:33:12 AM PST by Pecos
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To: Tolik; All
As much as I respect VDH and his massive scholarship of history and war, I have to disagree with him on this point.

I believe that we did not win WWII by killing millions of German and Japanese soldiers. We won by killing millions of German and Japanese women and children, in their cities and factories.

Whether or not they had sufficient numbers of quality personnel to man their submarines, fly their planes, drive their tanks, and shoot their rifles became immaterial when their shipyards, aircraft hangers, and armories were reduced to smoking piles of rubble, filled with the bodies of their industrial workers, surrounded by ruined cities and overtaxed, unsustainable farmlands.

Our ability to project our massive (and secure) industrial capacity in the form of aircraft and bombs, supported by our ability to mobilize and project sufficient troops to seize and hold the ground that our bombs cleared of resistance (or at least softened) was what prevailed.

Once we rolled out the B-29 and secured forward bases from which to deploy them, it was just a matter of cranking out enough bombs (or big enough bombs), and sustaining the will to pound them into submission - pretty easy to do when you are as pissed off as we were then.

9 posted on 02/17/2010 7:41:24 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: Tolik
A more tragic view would counter that there was always a large (though largely finite) number of radical jihadists who, even before 9/11, wished to kill Americans. They went to those two theaters, fought, died, and were therefore not able to conduct as many terrorist operations as they otherwise would have, and also provided a clear example to would-be followers not to emulate their various short careers. That may explain why in global polls the popularity both of bin Laden and of the tactic of suicide bombing plummeted in the Middle Eastern street — at precisely the time America was being battered in the elite international press for the Iraq War.

If Clinton had not entered the Bosnian/Serb conflict against the Serbs, perhaps the Jihadis would have expended themselves in the Balkan conflict, and we would not have had 9/11.

10 posted on 02/17/2010 7:48:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

I agree.

The warfare of targeted killings and sparing civilians, many of whom are really insurgents blending in, creates prolonged wars and indecisive outcomes.


11 posted on 02/17/2010 8:13:32 AM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: Tolik

ping for later


12 posted on 02/17/2010 8:25:44 AM PST by altura
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To: conservativeharleyguy; dervish

What say you, Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman?

“If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking”.

“I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy”.

“My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom”.

“We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, men and women, feel the hard hand of war”.

“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over”


13 posted on 02/17/2010 8:32:41 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: Mac from Cleveland

Wow!!

Sherman understood. He demonstrated the effectiveness of his policy. You can’t argue with success. Unless you are a liberal.


14 posted on 02/17/2010 9:58:42 AM PST by SkipW
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To: Mac from Cleveland

VDH admires Sherman.


15 posted on 02/17/2010 2:37:33 PM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

German military production peaked in September, 1944. The strategic bombing didn’t bite until later, with the key damage being the transportation system, and the Germans’ petroleum sources [already causing some problems in pilot training in ‘44].

On the other hand, tactical air played a MAJOR role in winning the war in the West, and making tghe Normandy ioperation a success.


16 posted on 02/17/2010 4:30:36 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
"I believe that we did not win WWII by killing millions of German and Japanese soldiers. We won by killing millions of German and Japanese women and children, in their cities and factories."

I'd say you hit the target, but not the bulls-eye.
Let's see if I can improve your aim. ;-)

  1. First of all, allied bombing of Germany and Japan did NOT kill "millions" of civilians.
    In both countries, the number was less than half a million.
    In Germany's case, that is roughly the number of allied civilians killed by German bombing.
    In Japan's case that was less than 10% of the numbers of Chinese civilians killed by the Japanese army.

    Here is my source for such data.

  2. Second of all, it was NOT the deaths of German & Japanese civilians which ended the war.
    Neither country's leaders cared a whit about civilian casualties.
    What certainly did hasten the end was allied destruction of German & Japanese factories, transportation and stores.

  3. Third, all of which is NOT to say that civilian casualties didn't matter.
    They did matter, Big Time.
    Not in World War Two, of course, but in importantly helping to prevent World War Three.

That is the bulls-eye, imho. :-)

17 posted on 02/18/2010 7:10:32 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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His point is well taken, but of course I'll quibble.
...among all the multifarious reasons why Nazi Germany was defeated, perhaps the key was that hundreds of thousands of its best aviators, U-boaters, panzers, infantrymen, and officers, who swept to victory throughout 1939-41, simply perished in the fighting and were no longer around to stop the allies from doing pretty much what they wanted by 1944-45. After Stalingrad and Kursk, there were not enough good German soldiers to stop the Red Army. Even the introduction of jets could not save Hitler in 1945 -- given that British and American airmen had killed thousands of Luftwaffe pilots between 1939 and 1943.
This is one of those almost-true claims that has been around for enough decades now that VDH can pass it off as his own thinking. :') It so echoes the false British version of what happened in Germany in WWI that it probably originated among the teadrinkers. After their initial push into the USSR and victories over the various Patriotic Armies (which essentially got fed to German guns), the Germans were never outnumbered in the east by less than three to one, and thanks to that discrepancy, often were faced with massive Red Army numerical superiority at points chosen by RA command -- and yet maintained that line for years on end, not breaking into basically unbroken retreat until June 1943.

Meanwhile, the RA had better tanks, hustled 70 divisions out of the Far East to launch counteroffensives, built (or rec'd by Lend-Lease) massive numbers of howitzers, tanks, planes, and small arms and associated ammo, and copied German field weapons into improved versions, such as the "Stalin's Organ" rocket launchers.

The number one cause of the defeat of the Third Reich was Hitler's hideous mismanagement of the war, beginning with his giving the order to prevent the bagging of the BEF and remaining French forces at Dunkirk; continuing with his launching of Barbarossa for no good reason at all and well before German armed forces of all kinds were ready (if indeed they could have gotten ready for that one, or had any compelling reason to fight in the USSR in the first place); failure to finish off the British in North Africa / seize the Suez Canal / seize real or de facto control over the Middle East's oil fields / link the European Axis Powers with Japan via sea; and (according to Von Manstein and others) in a move analogous to his cold feet at Dunkirk, failure to allow the long-planned flank attack at Kursk. Kursk itself wasn't a fight that the German commanders wanted anyway, but Hitler and the surrounding incompetent yes-men insisted the attack go forward anyway, then arbitrarily delayed it by months compared with what the commanders wanted when ordered to do it, giving Zhukov the time he needed to build up dozens of miles of defensive and offensive capability.

As the fronts collapsed, the idiot Hitler ordered stupid, suicidal attacks and the already-depleted German forces evaporated.
18 posted on 02/19/2010 6:23:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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