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Top US Marine rejects Obama plan to repeal gay ban
AFP, Brietbart ^ | 2/25/10

Posted on 02/25/2010 6:04:49 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy

The head of the US Marines said on Thursday he opposed ending the ban on gays serving openly in the military, the first top officer to break openly with President Barack Obama over the issue.

General James Conway told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he disagreed with Obama's plan to repeal the ban.

"My best military advice to this committee, to the (defense) secretary, and to the president would be to keep the law such as it is."

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; bhodod; conway; dontaskdonttell; gays; homosexualagenda; marines; semperfi; usancgldslvr; usmc
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To: erman

You are absolutely right.

There are already PLENTY of “Weasely Clarks” out there looking to protect their stars and their future political ambitions.

God bless the REAL warriors!


41 posted on 02/25/2010 6:52:07 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: Mr. Jazzy

opps, looks like somebody is about to get retired, Man, for the Joint Chiefs to be this vocal in public, things must be going crazy in the E Ring.


42 posted on 02/25/2010 6:56:51 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Markos33

Is Conway the last man standing in our military leadership today? Everyone else is towing the line of the homosexual lobby? Pathetic.

This is good:

“Marines of Conscience or Homosexual Marines”

(snip)”...Service in the U. S. Marine Corps requires the loss of many liberties that civilians enjoy; especially, the right of association. Individual Marines cannot choose their leaders or with whom they will work and live. It is beyond governmental authority to force these Americans into situations that compromise their morals. The Selective Training & Service Act of 1940 permits the granting of Conscientious Objector status to “One who by reason of religious training and belief is conscientiously opposed to participation in war.” Little known is: People v. Stewart, 7 Cal. 143, “Conscientious Scruple. A conscientious scruple against . . . doing military duty, or the like is an objection or repugnance growing out of the fact that the person believes the thing demanded of him is morally wrong, his conscience being the sole guide to his decision . . . ” (Black’s Law Dictionary). This “Conscientious Scruple” provision appears to give Marines of conscience a legal remedy for a morally compromising situation of serving under or with Marine homosexuals. Moreover, since there are evidently more persons of conscience in our society than homosexuals, the pool of potential recruits for the current all-volunteer Marine Corps will be reduced.

A question which now begs answering is: “How would replacing Marines of conscience with homosexual Marines enhance a Marine unit’s combat efficiency?” Rather than enhancing combat efficiency, the opposite would be the result. In large part, the degree of a Marine unit’s combat efficiency parallels its degree of unit cohesion. As the term implies, unit cohesion is a function of the emotional closeness of the unit’s members who are drawn together by both social and military common grounds. There are at least three areas by which homosexual Marines would be drawbacks to such cohesion:...”

http://www.thebutter-cutter.com/Marines_of_Conscience_or_Ho.php


43 posted on 02/25/2010 6:59:22 PM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: Mr. Jazzy
at least we have one military leader standing up for the good of the service and its mission.
44 posted on 02/25/2010 7:02:13 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

General James Terry Conway, USMC

34th Commandant of the Marine Corps (2006 - present)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-military-gays26-2010feb26,0,2058224.story

Semper Fi General Conway!

45 posted on 02/25/2010 7:02:55 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (I think we met before in a past life, and I was a witch back then, too!)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
The push-back begins! Thank God!
46 posted on 02/25/2010 7:04:49 PM PST by Falcon28
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Top Marine replaced by executive order in....

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47 posted on 02/25/2010 7:06:42 PM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ..

In case anybody missed this (( ping )).


48 posted on 02/25/2010 7:07:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

If and when he is replaced or forced to retire, the lame stream media will do their dead level best to portray this warrior as a troglodyte Bush-holdover who needed to get out of the way of progress.

God bless him and the United States Marine Corps.


49 posted on 02/25/2010 7:09:22 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: Engineer_Soldier

But, it sounds so workable on paper.


50 posted on 02/25/2010 7:11:18 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
retire?Hell they might courtmartal the guy!
51 posted on 02/25/2010 7:12:58 PM PST by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

way to go marines


52 posted on 02/25/2010 7:18:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: FlingWingFlyer
If the homosexuals really want to “serve their country” that badly, what difference does it make whether or not everyone knows they are a homosexual? I don’t get it.

I think that it is a safe assumption that you have never served in the military. If you had, you would know that units are tightly knit and it is imperative that all members of the team be comfortable with each other. Inherent in this is the belief by the group that the rest are just like you and are--like 97+ percent of the male population--heterosexual, i.e., "normal."

There are other aspects (such as not being concerned that another soldier or sailor has a sexual interest in you) but that should be explanatory.

53 posted on 02/25/2010 7:19:18 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Mr. Jazzy

well, one issues are heads.

if you have persons of persuasion that are openly attracted to same gender, and are allowed in bathrooms openly,....will that be an issue,..or will the libs say....”get over it”...to your sons and daughters.

With that said,..what is good for the goose is good for the gander and that means openly heteros ought to be allowed to shower with other heteros with no complaints,..and that also means lesbos should be unerved if hetero men say “pass the soap”. Are we at the STARSHIP TROOPER shower moment?...probably not.


54 posted on 02/25/2010 7:26:32 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

make that “lesbos should NOT be unerved....”


55 posted on 02/25/2010 7:27:24 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: OldPossum; FlingWingFlyer
>> If the homosexuals really want to “serve their country” that badly, what difference does it make whether or not everyone knows they are a homosexual? I don’t get it.

> I think that it is a safe assumption that you have never served in the military. If you had, you would know that units are tightly knit and it is imperative that all members of the team be comfortable with each other. Inherent in this is the belief by the group that the rest are just like you and are--like 97+ percent of the male population--heterosexual, i.e., "normal."

Just my opinion, but I think you may have mistaken FWF's meaning. I took his comment to mean: "Why do they think they have to make an open big deal about being gay? What's wrong with shutting up and just serving your country?"

But I could be wrong... it's happened before. :)

56 posted on 02/25/2010 7:29:25 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Nice!!! Could’ve maybe thrown in a warning for post #22 though. Wife noticed my expression and asked if I had the zactlees.


57 posted on 02/25/2010 7:33:42 PM PST by bigheadfred (BE WHO YOU ARE. SAY WHAT YOU FEEL. Those who matter don't mind.Those who mind don't matter)
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To: Mr. Jazzy; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

58 posted on 02/25/2010 7:34:48 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: dayglored

That’s exactly what I meant. I guess I wasn’t being very clear about it.


59 posted on 02/25/2010 7:38:01 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If the CIA and NASA are going to "monitor climate change", why the hell do we need the EPA?)
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To: narses

nobama and his minions want to undermine EVERY institution of sane American culture. They are doing this purposefully, systematically and unrelentingly. They hate America and what it stands for. nobama is sickening. Resist! Resist! Resist! Even if they threaten you or put in reeducation camp...RESIST!


60 posted on 02/25/2010 7:40:15 PM PST by hal ogen
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