Campaign Gives Christians Megaphone to Support Gays

Christian Post Reporter ^ | Thu, Feb. 25 2010 04:46 | Lillian Kwon

[daniel1212]

Though mainline denominations already welcome LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) persons, the multifaith group Intersections says it's not enough.

"[W]e must sing their welcoming as loudly as we sing the hymns," the group declares....

Intersections Director Robert Chase maintains the "'God vs. gays' dichotomy is false" and "reflective of only part of Christendom."

"The religious right’s divisive paradigm is paralleled by more progressive stances that have resulted in inclusive institutional transformation," he stated.

A Pew Research Center's survey also found wide support for homosexuality among lay people in mainline Protestant churches.

[ApplegateRanch]

Some children play “house”.

Some naughty ones play “doctor”.

The truly evil ones play “church”.

[little jeremiah]

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Can anyone imagine this happeneding twenty years ago, or even ten? The promoters of the homosexual agenda - aka homo-nazism - have one goal - destruction. They are driven and will never stop until they are stopped by outside force, of one kind or another.

[daniel1212]

One will note that the churches that are pro homosexual are almost always liberal toward divorce and abortion, etc.: http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_Christianity#Denominational_positions_on_the_Bible.2C_and_homosexuality

And decreasing in adherents.

[hsalaw]

The ELCA’s decision last summer to allow openly gay pastors is breaking up ELCA churches everywhere. Stupid decision and really, really stupid timing for such a stupid decision, and now the homosexual activists want to destroy what’s left.

[FrankR]

I didn't find "political correctness trumps sin" in my Bible.

These churches probably won't be making any new wing additions anytime soon. As the offering plate dries up, and the congregation thins out, the gays can turn it into a holy bathhouse.

[DarthVader]

They are provoking our Lord to anger.

[daniel1212]

True. A PC pressure in Paul’s day was to stop preaching the cross.

[ZULU]

And why should they not? They practically do so already and the tune will harmonize well with their funeral dirge, as they chant themselves into irrelevance.

[ZULU]

“More than half of members of the United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Anglican Church, the United Church of Christ and The Episcopal Church say homosexuality is a way of life that should be accepted by society.”

Don’t surprise me. The majority of their members who still believe in the Bible left long ago for other denominations or independent practice.

One sin which is REPEATEDLY and IN DETAIL condemned again and again in the Old Testament by God Himself is homosexuality and other sexual aberrations.

Morality isn’t really determined by majority vote. If it was, God wouldn’t have given us a Bible.

[molybdenum]

Reminds me of some of the “modern” churches today—strange or awkward architecture, few windows, but worst of all either no cross or a small one, hardly noticeable in an obscure place on the grounds. As if they’re timid, afraid some atheist radical will object and they don’t want to confront them.

[Persevero]

It is condemned in the New Testament too. Yet repentant homosexuals can be saved, as it says, “And such were some of you.”

I quote:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

That is 1st Corinthians 6:11.

As other posters have pointed out, it is interesting that groups of drunkards or thieves or covetous or fornicators aren’t demanding they be accepted in the church! The sin of homosexuality is peculiar that way.

[daniel1212]

Form versus reality. May we be more of the latter ourselves.

Post back tomorrow by God’s grace.

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[AnalogReigns]

They haven’t changed in thousands of years....There are so many parallels (from 4,000 years ago mind you!) it's not even funny.

Lot chose to go live in the nicest place in Palestine....the area of the plain of Sodom and Gomorra....

And typically where are the nicest, most fashionable parts of cities?

I think in the peace and prosperity after WWII...and the spoiled rotten kids of the '60s, with the sexual immorality being accepted as "normal" the worse immorality of sodomy was bound to happen... The sad thing is though, unless a huge religious revival occurs it will take a SERIOUS calamity to rid America of these practices...and practicioners. That also happened thousands of years ago--and the area of Sodom ain't too pretty now...

[Graybeard58]

You know what they said to do in Germany when the Auschwitz-bound trains rumbled by churches.

I don't. What did they say to do?

[Graybeard58]

My church would allow queers, if they behaved and weren't outlandishly dressed. We welcome sinners but not disruptive ones.

They would not be welcomed to membership however, unless they repented.

[daniel1212]

Sorry for my ignorance. I thought the title was not precise enough, and then I did not catch my grammar error in describing it. And apparently it should have gone in the religious section.

[sthguard]

“I disagree. Feminism is a much louder and more pernicious blight forced on American Christianity. Homosexuals are merely mimicking the successful female strategies of obnoxious noise and total disregard for God’s clearly stated place for women.”

Granted, since radical feminism came first, it makes sense that later movements (homosexuality, liberation theology, emergent church, etc) would try to imitate its methods. However, I would argue that the original core of feminism— that women are equally valuable to God and to society, though often they are gifted differently— is very much a Biblical concept, rather than a “blight forced on American Christianity.” Likewise, the core of the civil rights movement emphasizes racial equality, a positive concept if applied equitably across the board. The difference is that there’s no “good” or “innocuous” version of homosexuality, regardless of the efforts of various “Christian” groups to make it mainstream. So, while it’s not the only threat to serious Christianity, it’s serious enough that we can’t simply write it off.

[daniel1212]

I thought i had heard it in a powerful sermon by Dr. Lawrence White, but it not there in the online text version i found. Instead, it was related by Dobson in his newaletter (July 2001) in describing a conversation with Diet Eman, (see http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_Diet_Eman) author of Things We Couldn’t Say, with a member of the Focus on the Family staff:

Diet told a story about a rail line that ran nearby and was used by the Nazis to transport boxcars jammed with Jews and other “undesirables.” They were on their way to the death camps in the East. Many times, the trains were sidetracked for hours while the miserable people begged pitifully for food, water and mercy. There were no bathroom facilities for the journey, which could last four days or longer. Nearby, I’m told, was a small church located close enough to the rail line to hear the cries coming from within the boxcars. The church people attending services were deeply disturbed by these mournful “distractions,” and so, they began singing more loudly so they wouldn’t have to hear them. I wonder what the God of all compassion thought about His followers as they used their worship to drown out the calls for help from tortured people. - http://ldolphin.org/family.html

The short sermon by White is still a powerful read, and i am sure it has appeared on FR. See it here. http://www.hiswayministries.org/fdsilence.htm

It appears, however, that he did get an attribution wrong, that to Pliny of the quote,
“The common people find all religions to be true. The philosophers find all religions to be false. The rulers [politicians] find all religions to be useful.”

This is attributed to Seneca (ca. 4 BC –AD 65), with similar expressions being given by Gibbons, and Lucretius (94 BC - 49 BC), but timeless in general application.

The preceding goes with this:

Turn Up The Music!

By Chris Hansen

In Germany, the churches sang their hymns, as the trains would rumble by!
Cars, and more cars, were stuffed with Jews, heading for death camps, where they would die!
The trains, the trains, made the church music, difficult to hear.
The trains, the trains, they drew too near.
The pastors had a practical solution, have no fear!
The pastors decided that, the music, the pretty music, must ring forth, loud and clear.
So, they directed, turn up the music, as the congregation sings!
Sing louder, sing louder, to the King of Kings.
Singing sweet hymns and fellowship, just a few of our favorite things.
How easily we Christians criticize Germany, as we proclaim with pride,
That we would never have stood by while Jewish people died!
And what do we do when silent death rips babies from the womb?
What do we do when millions are swallowed without so much as a tomb!
We too, turn the music louder, and sing to the King of Kings.
We see not, that God’s wrath is off stage, pacing in the wings!

[Anti-Utopian]

"However, I would argue that the original core of feminism— that women are equally valuable to God and to society is very much a Biblical concept."

But that is not feminism. Feminism says that husbands do not rule their wives. Feminism says there is no difference between men and women and that women are suited to do the work of men. Feminism says a woman's place is whatever she wants it to be. Feminism has not only proven itself patently stupid, but completely opposite of what the Bible teaches. The Bible clearly laid out the work of women, and even gave good reasons why this is so. The wholesale rebellion of women against God is the root of today's rotten homosexual fruit.