How Pelosi will game the Stupak 12

Washington Post ^ | March 5, 2010 | Marc A. Thiessen

[InterceptPoint]

Has anyone satisfactorily answered the question of how the House passes the Senate bill with the requirement that appropriations bills originate in the House?

You have a point. And a good one. And no, I don't think anyone has answered that question. If someone can I would certainly be interested in the answer.

[TornadoAlley3]

Nancy and her media friends will expose all the dirt they have on Stupak and the others.

[Recovering_Democrat]

Obama's Economic Promises:
FAILED

So why should ANYONE trust him with health care?

[adorno]

Pelosi and Obama and all the liberals can win this battle easily.

All Pelosi and Obama need to do is to go along with whatever changes Stupak and the republicans want for the bill. Then, put it up for a vote.

Whatever the bill contains doesn’t matter. What Pelosi and Obama want is just a bill. Then, in later months or years, they can come back to put into other bills whatever wasn’t in the original. It’s all about incrementally getting what they want. Whatever they don’t get now, they’ll get later. Stupak and the republicans will be helpless later after the initial bill passes. Passing any kind of health-care bill will be the equivalent of the camel getting his nose under the tent.

The liberals aren’t known as progressives for no reason. They have “progressively” changed this country towards socialism. Little by little, this country has become just as socialist as those in Europe and we’re about to surpass them.

[GailA]

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ~~ President Ronald Reagan

OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.

Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!
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OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts

Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

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SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2464538/posts
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MILITARY & Retired MILITARY
Veterans’ G.I. Bill benefits MIA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464680/posts
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

[GailA]

Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum:

PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
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Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
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Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE

[crusher]

I simply cannot believe the number of bloviators who are profoundly ignorant of the legislative process. Perhaps they slept through 9th grade Civics class.

1) a health care sovietization bill has passed the Senate.

2) Nazi Pelousy is maneuvering for the Senate health care sovietization bill to pass the House.

3) If the Senate and the House pass the same bill, THERE IS NO RECONCILIATION BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO RECONCILE. “Reconciliation” occurs only when two different budget bills are passed, and thus need to be “reconciled.

When Pelousy gets the vote she wants, late next week or sometime the week after, the bill has been passed by both houses of Congress and goes directly to Obamao for his signature, and it is law. Period.

All this nonsense about reconciliation is just boob bait for bubbas.

Welcome to Weimarica.

[happygrl]

Pelosi is more responsible for this damnable 0bamaCare bill than anyone. She is the most evil harridan that has ever served in Congress.

Her immortal soul is in danger, and she was informed of that by the Pope.

Jesus will tell her, “I never knew you.”

[REPANDPROUDOFIT]

Sorry, I should have "copied" your post:

Rep. Bart Stupak and the 12 cannot be so naive as to fall for this trick.

I just said I wouldn't bet on it - their being so naive that is.

[ricks_place]

Maybe Rep. Bart Stupak and the 12 CAN be so naive as to fall for the vote for Senate-Health-Bill trick with Rahm Emanuel is twisting their arms!

[RushLake]

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, I was out playing with my quad runner after I fixed it. It runs good.

I can only conjecture on what his price has been. As I pointed out, governor or senator. Rush suggested today that he could be bought in order to get him to switch his vote on Maobamacare. He isn't as stupid as Margories Margolies Mesvinsky so it won't be a promise to have Maobama come and campaign for him. Besides, the alleged Republicans will do that for him. Perhaps an ambassadorship? Michigan is a strange place politically. People who call themselves Republicans or even conservatives are oftentimes very squishy. They want to make nice. Some days they can be relied on to (rightfully) distrust the unions, other days, well they know someone who is a union person and that's a very nice person and well, unions can't be all that bad 'cuz good old Ellis is in a union. They often form circular firing squads at election time and take out the strongest GOP candidate for some position or another because they have flaws and it just wouldn't be right to elect them. The democraps in Michigan have no problem in picking a candidate and sticking with that candidate. We've had Karl Lenin looking over the top of his glasses and down his nose at us for decades with no hope he'll ever be gone--the second coming of KKK Byrd. And, we have a "Republican" party that consistently has no guts.

I'm saying all that because Bart Stupak has no problem keeping the job he has, crapping on all of Michigan, his hypocricy running amok. He must have something up his sleeve as you correctly suggest, ambition beyond what he already has.