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MICHAEL BARONE: Can Nancy Pelosi Get the Votes?
Wall Street Journal ^ | MARCH 11, 2010 | MICHAEL BARONE

Posted on 03/10/2010 6:20:55 PM PST by neverdem

The Senate bill's abortion language is not the House Speaker's only problem.

Are there enough votes in the House to pass the Senate's health-care bill? As of today, it's clear there aren't. House Democratic leaders have brushed aside White House calls to bring the bill forward by March 18, when President Barack Obama heads to Asia. Nevertheless, analysts close to the Democratic leadership tell me they're confident the leadership will find some way to squeeze out the 216 votes needed for a majority.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has indeed shown mastery at amassing majorities. But it's hard to see how she'll do so on this one. The arithmetic as I see it doesn't add up.

The House passed its version of the health bill in November by 220-215. Of those 220, one was a Republican who now is a no. One Democrat who voted yes has died, two Democrats who voted yes have resigned, and one Democrat who voted no has resigned as well. So if everyone but the Republican votes the way they did four months ago, the score would be 216-215.

But not everyone is ready to vote that way. The House bill included an amendment prohibiting funding of abortions sponsored by Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak. The Senate bill did not. Mr. Stupak says he and 10 to 12 other members won't vote for the Senate bill for that reason. Others have said the same, including Minnesota's James Oberstar, chairman of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and Dan Lipinski, a product of the Chicago Democratic machine.

Mrs. Pelosi may have some votes in reserve—members who would have voted yes if she needed them in November and would do so again. But we can be pretty sure she doesn't have more than 10, or she wouldn't have allowed...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; barone; bhohealthcare

1 posted on 03/10/2010 6:20:55 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I’d say no if she wasn’t so damn sexy! /s


2 posted on 03/10/2010 6:23:12 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: neverdem

Can Al Qaeda recruit suicide bombers? Could the Japanese recruit kamikaze pilots?


3 posted on 03/10/2010 6:23:16 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (A proud American-American since 1949.)
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To: neverdem

See where you Congressman currently stands of the Obamacare vote:

http://www.hannity.com/pages/stop-obama-care


4 posted on 03/10/2010 6:23:16 PM PST by Mr. Wright ( in)
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To: EGPWS
I’d say no if she wasn’t so damn sexy!

She could force "wayward" Dims to look at nude Pelosi images.

5 posted on 03/10/2010 6:27:09 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: neverdem

Barone doesn’t feel Pelosi can do it, so I feel much better now.


6 posted on 03/10/2010 6:28:48 PM PST by Drea
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To: windsorknot

Did not this idiotic woman say, “We must pass the bill so you can read what is in it”! What a freaking dunce — and people think she is some kind of braniac? She is a freakin Maniac


7 posted on 03/10/2010 6:29:38 PM PST by Mr. Wright ( in)
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To: Drea

Rush doesn’t think they have the votes either...I hope not.


8 posted on 03/10/2010 6:33:56 PM PST by hstacey (An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure...)
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To: hstacey
Rush doesn’t think they have the votes either...I hope not.

Yeah, it's a good thing that Rush has never been wrong about the Democrats.

9 posted on 03/10/2010 6:45:03 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: neverdem

Of course they’ll get the votes. Pelosi’s got a bottomless checkbook to bribe them with.


10 posted on 03/10/2010 6:45:18 PM PST by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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To: neverdem
Nancy will need another face lift if this bill (HCR) fails in house. I am not sure her face can withstand another episode of stretching and cutting skin.
11 posted on 03/10/2010 6:50:25 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: CatOwner
He's always been reticent about making predictions, so I kind of trust his insight.
12 posted on 03/10/2010 6:53:37 PM PST by hstacey (An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure...)
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To: Drea

Barone didn’t say it wasn’t possible. I think his analysis is the same as Limbaugh’s. If Pelosi had the votes, this would be over by now. She’s still working it. (Interesting that today’s press suggests division in Dem ranks over those “artificial deadlines” from Rahm Emmanuel. Poor little legislators slaving away on legislation they don’t bother to read...)


13 posted on 03/10/2010 6:57:40 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: The Good Doctor; CatOwner
"Of course they’ll get the votes. Pelosi’s got a bottomless checkbook to bribe them with. "

How Much Damage Could HC Inflict on Dems?

But if these results are typical of the nation as a whole, they're probably looking at over 100 members sitting in districts where the health care reform bill is upside-down.

The Democrats' Pickett's Charge Dick Morris

While Dick Morris' are usually discounted, I usually find Mike Barone right on the money.

14 posted on 03/10/2010 7:02:06 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

She’s got the votes.

It’s just a matter of money and ambassadorships for those democrats that will fall on the sword.


15 posted on 03/10/2010 7:09:18 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Mr. Wright

Thanks for the link.


16 posted on 03/10/2010 7:09:48 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
by March 18, when President Barack Obama heads to Asia.

Correction: When President Obama takes his daughters on a spring break trip to visit his roots.

17 posted on 03/10/2010 7:12:12 PM PST by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: neverdem

If Republicans played the way Democrats do the press would be declaring that a coup is in progress.

IMHO


18 posted on 03/10/2010 7:16:18 PM PST by ripley
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To: windsorknot
She could force "wayward" Dims to look at nude Pelosi images.

Let alone making freight trains jump the tracks...

19 posted on 03/10/2010 7:24:27 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: neverdem

Wait a second. Didn’t Pelosi say today she already had the votes? I thought they could vote right after the party at Representative Massa’s place.


20 posted on 03/10/2010 7:47:12 PM PST by stevem
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To: neverdem

No one is even mentioning the taxes on the cadillac insurance plans that lefty democrats don’t want in the bill but is in the Senate bill. Does anyone think this one’s getting through reconcilliation? I hope the Republicans say if we’re going to screw the whole country, we’ll just let the unions be screwed also and they gum this up so there’s no tax break.


21 posted on 03/10/2010 7:50:43 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: neverdem
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22 posted on 03/10/2010 8:08:06 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: neverdem

Barone gives Pelosi high marks for shrewdness and mastery of the process of amassing enough votes to win. That worries me, as I consider Barone to be the most astute political analyst on the American scene today. OTOH, Barone enumerates the many challenges facing the Speaker.


23 posted on 03/10/2010 10:37:13 PM PST by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Mr. Wright

Barone doesn’t consider her to be idiotic or a dunce. He respects her political arm-twisting skills. Therefore, so do I.


24 posted on 03/10/2010 10:38:13 PM PST by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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25 posted on 03/11/2010 12:09:21 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

I hate to be the pessimist here, but I believe that bitch already has the votes and she will call for a vote this week. She has the bottomless checkbook.


26 posted on 03/11/2010 12:16:16 AM PST by Gator113 (I do not want Obama IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED.)
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To: neverdem; All

Thanks for the ping/post/links and comments.

Social security marches over the backs of dead Americans.

National health care will march over the backs of many more dead Americans.

Individuals and their rights be damned. Collectivism/statism marches on.


27 posted on 03/11/2010 4:59:46 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Art in Idaho
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Let me see if Drudge still has his nice little ...Photo:

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SHE'S LOSING HER GRIP!


28 posted on 03/11/2010 7:50:46 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 03/11/2010 12:11:18 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; ...
Thanks Ernest.
30 posted on 03/11/2010 3:59:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Every pore on Nancy’s face was showing!


31 posted on 03/11/2010 4:03:09 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: neverdem
Can Admiral Joe Be A Health Care No?
32 posted on 03/12/2010 7:27:38 AM PST by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Can you even imagine what she looks like WITHOUT makeup? Kinda makes you cringe at that visual.


33 posted on 03/12/2010 7:31:40 AM PST by NCC-1701 (ZEROs FAVORITE SONG -- I, ME, MINE -- BY THE BEATLES)
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To: neverdem

I wonder if she has seen Rahm naked?


34 posted on 03/12/2010 7:32:37 AM PST by GUNGAGALUNGA (Democratus Suckus Teatus is the Latin root for Democrat and it means to tax)
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To: Art in Idaho

Gabby Giffords (AZ-8) has supported Obama’s bill since before it existed. She demonstrated at townhalls in Aug - that she nearly had to be forced at gunpoint to do - that she doesn’t give a rat’s rear end about what people think. Calling her is a waste of time.

On several votes where she was allowed to vote ‘conservative’, she remained at the well with a democrat vote, ready to switch her vote if Pelosi needed. I wouldn’t be too surprised if she and Pelosi are doing some Massa-action in backrooms!


35 posted on 03/12/2010 7:41:42 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Can Al Qaeda recruit suicide bombers? Could the Japanese recruit kamikaze pilots?


36 posted on 03/12/2010 7:42:39 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: The Good Doctor
Of course they’ll get the votes. Pelosi’s got a bottomless checkbook to bribe them with.

One problem is that you need to retain control of congress in order to ensure that the bribes get paid. Pelosi's ability to bribe is inversely proportional to the probability that the GOP will take over the congress. Since that becomes 100% if they pass this disaster of a bill her ability to grant any bribe that will has not been paid in full prior to January of next year is 0.

Also no dem in the house wants to be the counterpart to the Corn Husker Hustle.

Finally there is beginning to be a current that even if the dems hold on to the house in November, Nancy will not be speaker. Obama isn't thrilled with her and it is looking like Reid will be gone. So the dems, with a much smaller majority and having to deal with the GOP on every single bill, may put in someone who isn't damaged goods. Once again this limits her ability to either bribe or threaten member of her own party.
37 posted on 03/12/2010 8:18:27 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: neverdem

Nancy = FAIL.


38 posted on 03/12/2010 8:45:42 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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