Skip to comments.Blog Update: Joesting Won't Correct Miss Tickly
Posted on 03/11/2010 10:21:48 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've added to my blog a post showing that OIP Attorney Linden Joesting, when asked point-blank on Feb 22nd whether Miss Tickly's understanding that Obama's BC was amended is correct, refused to correct MT's understanding. After 2 days of asking for clarification on the question, she responded 3 days later by saying she didn't have time to answer the question.
The legal meaning of the denial of access, which has been documented through multiple consistent sources, stands. It would have taken no more time for Joesting to say that MT misunderstood than to say she ddn't have time to answer the question. The OIP wants to ignore the question because the answer would confirm the fact of Obama's amended BC.
The link to the article will be in the 1st reply to the initial post.
Here’s the link to the post:
Thanks for your work on this. I will always say you are an amazing person.
Why is this a post on FR? It’s incoherent. Why is your blog not sufficient for this?
Is Miss Tickly back? She and Leo had Hawaii busted and the slimy state keeps convering up for you know who.
Miss Tickly e-mailed Joesting in direct response to a challenge by Ender Wiggins, here on FR. Other posters here have ridiculed MT for “jumping to unwarranted conclusions” so she put everything on the line to ask Joesting directly - an act of courage not shown by those who have ridiculed her.
The response strongly suggests that MT was correct: when the DOH denied her access to the records for Obama’s amendment to his BC, it confirmed that those documents exist and Obama’s BC is amended.
Does that make things a little more coherent? I think there may be people here who are interested to see this.
There are. Thanks for posting this. And kudos to Mrs Tickley!
Cuz Bill Gates is part of the BC conspiracy.
Thanks for posting this. Interesting indeed!
Hard to tell if you’re being facetious or not. I know it sounds crazy to people who haven’t experienced it first-hand, but I’ve seen both McAfee and Google involved in crap with this subject. I didn’t think there was the ability to mess with Word, but then I’m a computer moron so that’s why I ask smarter people for input. lol.
Microsoft has the IP address of everyone who has ever posted a “where’s the birth certificate” comment on a computer BBS.
I know that you think that’s funny but there are people who have had their firewalls breached and their computers messed with. It isn’t a joke.
Microsoft has the IP address of everyone who has ever posted a wheres the birth certificate comment on a computer BBS.
Yeah and Google has records of every search by Hawaii DOH officials on Information Requestors.....
Bump for MT!
Thanks for the update. This doesn’t surprise me, but it’s good to know.
What the trolls on these threads don’t seem to understand is that they only add to the perception that Obama has something to cover up, and that he finds the whole business threatening to his power grab.
Hmmmm...wouldn’t an attorney be anxious to set the recoed straight by answering the question?
What a cop-out to say *I don’t have the time to answer.*
Oops...recoed = record.
Right. And I want to make sure that everybody understands it is not Joesting who came up with that cop-out answer. She is being gagged. She was checking it out and then somebody (almost certainly OIP Director Cathy Takase) stopped her.
And it was interesting to me that Joesting listed 2 subjects that MT was supposed to say whether she had current appeals on: Obama’s BC and amendments to Obama’s BC. That leaped out at me that she sorted it into 2 subjects, almost as if the cue is that if somebody has asked about those 2 subjects they’re to be given the “vexatious requestors” treatment even before the law is passed.
There’s a lot of doo-doo going on in that office.
But I want everyone to be clear that I do not blame Joesting’s answer on Joesting. She was told what she had to do, and it was the opposite of what she of her own accord had already started to do.
Can you make a UIPA request to the OIP office for any interoffice records instructing Joesting how to respond to MT’s requests?? That would be a kick in the pants.
I am interested in the post, so thanks for sharing.
Eligibility Ed, or perhaps it was Edie, was up early this morning. I went to bed last night and all was fine. This morning, my firewall and security was off and everything was so slow it was timing out, pausing, and then finally freezing. I really doubt the cat turned it off. Thing is, I haven’t emailed or been vexatious to HI or the WH or anyone, so why I’d be of interest is beyond me. But I did suspect “someone” (tinfoil within arm’s reach) was messing with it shortly before others started talking about the same happening to them.
Thank you for the post. There are plenty of FReepers who are interested in this information. (I remember when our numbers were very few in 2008. That is no longer the case.) Obama has to depend on many people in many locations to continue to cover for him. It is only a matter of time before the truth is forced into the light.
Didn’t you say that Joesting could (if she wanted to) look at Obama’s record? I’m not feeling a whole lot of sympathy for her at the moment. She has the law on her side and she is going along with the lawbreakers.
If Obama is the fraud we all believe him to be then all these people are aiding and abetting a crime of gargantuan proportions.
Some whistle blower is going to be the first to save their own skin. The rest will have lost their chance to redeem themselves.
Was that Eric Massa's code name? ;-)
I think the state of Hawaii is too invested in the cover up now to admit what they might know. I’m pretty sure they assumed a couple of ambiguous public statements from Chiyome Fukino would resolve any questions. They obviously didn’t expect anyone to start nailing them on their own laws and procedures. They’ve got to the point of no return where they have to evade all requests, else they expose themselves as incompetents or perhaps as conspirators.
If info under wraps, let it remain so.
Some interoffice records are protected from disclosure, although I think that’s only when an action is being deliberated and not for an action that’s already been taken.
They pretty much know not to communicate through written means though - except when it’s to a different agency, in which case they have sometimes accidentally left the inter-agency communications on the e-mail histories. I believe that’s how it was shown that the vital records head told Okubo to lie because he had found out online that the requestor wasn’t pro-Obama.
Well it appears the the OIP is complicit too. Isn’t their whole existence and function to stop this exact type of corruption?
This problem with Word started in mid-stream. If you look at the March archive you can see that I posted a clearer version of Joesting’s official OIP Appeal Response to MT in preparation for linking to it in the main post I posted today. Sometime between when I posted that clearer version and when I tried to post the main post Word suddenly developed a problem. I tried 6 or 7 times to post from Word and it always encountered a problem.
I sure hope you’re right, Faith. I hope this is forced into the light. I think we’re making headway, slowly but surely.
I never thought of whether Joesting could get into a witness protection program and blow this thing open. I think that’s what it would take. If there was actually a serious possibility that the crimes would be investigated it could force people in Hawaii to draw some lines in the sand.
Sigh. That’s why we have to have law enforcement.
Right now Senator Slom is smelling like a rose. He is the one person who voted against the “Vexatious Requestor Bill” in committee and on the Senate floor.
I sent him an e-mail this morning to thank him and to ask him to read my “Red Flags” article which I would like to submit as “late” testimony regarding that bill - to provide a factual history of how this issue has developed.
I requested a “Read” receipt for my e-mail but haven’t gotten anything back. Of course, in Hawaii it’s only mid-morning now.
The 150 people whom I pinged understand the Post/article perfectly well; you just haven’t been keeping up.
Exactly. The committee summary in forwarding the “Vexatious Requestor Bill” to the full Senate talked about the “impartial” OIP having the task of being fair in labeling people “vexatious requestors”.
I pointed out to Senator Slom in my e-mail to him this morning that everybody who testified in support of the bill (except the Taxation Dept rep who submitted late testimony) has actually been implicated in wrong-doing in my “Red Flags” article. This bill is giving the wolf the sole, unappealable role of guarding the henhouse.
Joesting has never said the she has seen Obama’s records right? She just has the ability to (if she wanted to) ...correct?
I’m sure at this point she doesn’t want to know.
Thanks for pinging. I always wonder whether my explanations are clear enough and effective. I welcome any input that will help me make it the best it can be.
Especially if people who are interested but haven’t followed the story have any suggestions for how I can make it clearer, that would be greatly appreciated. Those are the people we have to reach. We need to be able to say it in a way they can understand. I’ve tried to use the main “Red Flags” article as something people can understand without diving into all the ins and outs but I wonder if it’s understandable to people who come in brand new.
I had my sister and a couple of friends read it shortly after I posted it and they said they had a hard time keeping track of the names and departments. I’m not sure how to make it clearer without making it a LOT longer - longer than most people would be willing to read.
If Joesting used the same procedure as was used in previous OIP appeals for denial of access to records, she would have looked at the records to see whether the information in them was discloseable. It could be that the DOH wouldn’t even allow her to do that - in which case they were already treating Obama’s case differently from the very start with Joesting.
So we don’t know if Joesting has seen them or not. If she’s followed the protocol (if the DOH allowed her to) she should have seen them though.
“If shes followed the protocol (if the DOH allowed her to) she should have seen them though.”
The plot thickens.
There are many who are interested, and since they have been following this, understand its significance.
I realize some people on FR want to deride, scorn, belittle, distract and so on whenever the topic of 0bama’s eligibility is talked about, but such people are in a tiny minority. More people on FR and in the world in general are waking up to the fact that there is something/s that 0bama is hiding, and wondering why.
I should clarify that the records Joesting should have seen are the invoices and receipts that MT asked for. She probably hasn’t seen the actual BC.
But Tsukiyama should have seen any supplementary documents to Obama’s birth certificate if he followed protocol in deciding whether the DOH’s denial of access to those documents was proper.
That denial of access was before the denial that Leo first posted on his blog, and the OIP did not include that request or denial when they responded to a UIPA request for all the UIPA appeals within that time period.
Certainly there are indeed.
Hawaii is between a rock and a hard place for sure. The squirming is annoying, but at the same time laughably funny.
He is working on the Chrysler case. I don’t think he is following this issue at all right at this time.
When you run for president, your origins are public information because of the NBC clause.
This is not going away until Hawaii opens its files.
It is disgusting and insulting that a president would hide his documents of origin, flouting the NBC clause of our constitution.
What you mention in this post is why you don’t see this story get picked up the press (hope you’re reading this Miss Tickly!) and why conservative talk radio hasn’t got too involved either. You have to really study the laws, the people and comprehend a lot of details. It’s not rocket science, of course, but it’s too complicated for a general audience. Overall, though, I think you’ve done as good a job as anyone else I’ve seen, given the complexities and cast of characters.
Joesting’s reply to Miss Tickly’s request for clarification:
Since we have so many requests for assistance on matters pending before agencies, I am reluctant to take the time away from those cases to answer your questions.
Please accept my regrets as I am trying to complete pending requests for assistance.
Yep! Ever had your mouse pointer jump to the other side of the screen only to check your firewall and find out someone is trying to get in?
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