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Why Palin shouldn't run in 2012 ** John Ziegler (The math behind a Palin Victory!)
Daily Caller ^ | 3-10-10 | John Ziegler

Posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:52 PM PST by Joy Angela

Why Palin shouldn’t run in 2012

By John Ziegler   03/10/10 at 12:00 AM

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Last week I made a rare appearance on MSNBC (a network on which I have had numerous “YouTube moments” since the 2008 election, when they became the “Obama Network”) and shared some statements which apparently shocked some of my fellow conservatives.

Since even before the release of my documentary about the media coverage of Obama’s election, I have been described by many commentators (both as a compliment and as a condemnation) as Sarah Palin’s most ardent defender against the never-ending stream of unfair media attacks against her. What seemed to surprise people on both ends of the political spectrum was my assertion on “Morning Joe” that, based on her current path, and barring a literal act of God, there is absolutely no chance that Palin can beat Obama in 2012.

Since the television appearance was barely five minutes long and my view of this important subject is far more nuanced than can possibly be articulated in the microwave world of cable TV “news” (or even a later radio interview I did with host Joe Scarborough about this subject), I wish to fully explain my thinking so that any confusion about where I stand may be as limited as possible.

First, the reason I went on MSNBC is that Joe Scarborough and I have had a running (and sometimes rather pointed) e-mail exchange about his coverage of Sarah Palin which was escalated when his show did a seemingly endless segment on how intellectually deficient she supposedly is. Joe has offered me an open invitation to “debate” that and other issues related to Palin when I am next in New York where his show is broadcast. Since Palin was on the “Tonight Show” last week and because I live in Burbank, we decided the occasion might make for a good opportunity to do a quick “preview” of coming attractions. I also made it clear to him that there was something about Palin that I have wanted to get off my chest for several weeks. This was the issue of what her intent and potential is for the 2012 presidential race.

When I first met Palin at her home in early 2009, after our interview for my documentary we had a rather lengthy conversation, which of course eventually turned to her political future. Unsolicited, I offered my very strong opinion that, thanks to the media’s worship of Obama and their unfair destruction of her, that I thought it would be foolhardy for her to even consider running against him in 2012. My advice at the time was for her to run for Senate in 2014 and run in 2016 for President when presumably there will be no incumbent running and when the narrative about her (thanks to the media’s love of a good “comeback”) would likely be vastly more positive than in 2012. Palin was clearly listening intently but said almost nothing in response. Those who witnessed the conversation said she did not seem to like what she was hearing.

However, after the remarkable success of her book and the incredible decline in Obama’s political popularity, I started to think that, with any luck, Palin could win the Republican nomination and that she would at least have a shot against The One, assuming the economy didn’t significantly improve. But now I am thoroughly convinced that while Obama is somewhat vulnerable (if the economy improves, he wins big, if it stays the same, he wins very small, if it gets worse, he loses big), Sarah Palin has less of a chance to beat him than just about anyone else who is currently considered in contention.

The reasons I have come to this painful conclusion are numerous.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; johnziegler; moresarahfun; palin; palin2012; palinmccain2012; rinolovfest; sarahpalin; tonightshow; ziegler; ziegler4romney
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To: Responsibility2nd
"Excuse me, but you want me to read 4 pages of something written by someone I’ve never heard of to explain why I should be a Palin-hater too? "

Ditto!

Especially for the folks still stuck on "dial up"...it's very time consuming for no purpose other than to see Ziegler of Palin.

The beauty of being a conservative is, we can see, hear, and understand...therefore we are capable of making our own opinion of Palin, or whomever, without some ego-driven journalist.
21 posted on 03/11/2010 1:20:45 PM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Joy Angela

I see that for whatever reason Ziegler is your favorite subject to discuss—and praise here on FR.


22 posted on 03/11/2010 1:21:28 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Owl_Eagle

Posters at Free Republic certainly have the brain-power to read a few pages!!

We can Take It, Baby!! :)


23 posted on 03/11/2010 1:21:48 PM PST by Joy Angela
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To: Joy Angela; pissant

He’s pro-Palin, but ....

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Sigh. I get so tired of reading this.

It seems to pop up on all the Palin bashing threads lately.


24 posted on 03/11/2010 1:23:33 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: 9YearLurker

Because he has that Palin/Reagan Spunk!!

We don’t see that much in these days of marshmellow politics!


25 posted on 03/11/2010 1:24:33 PM PST by Joy Angela
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To: Joy Angela
Great Article, very clear and thought out!!

Let me get this straight - Palin is the ultimate political outsider, so she should run for the Senate, the ultimate insider's club, to gain cred.

Yeah, that makes a boatload of sense.

26 posted on 03/11/2010 1:25:28 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Joy Angela
Because he has that Palin/Reagan Spunk!!

Uh, no, he doesn't, if this column is any indication, he thinks entirely within the box.

27 posted on 03/11/2010 1:26:12 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Joy Angela

I think Sarah should go the Reagan route and I believe she will: Run in 2012 and if by chance she doesn’t win, run again in 2016 and seal the deal. A la ‘76/’80. If she stands on principles and loses in 2012 she wins a lot of hearts.

Also, if she comes close to winning the nomination like Reagan did in 1976 she gains the status of “former presidential candidate” which carries weight (unless you’re a loser like Bruno’s boyfriend Ron Paul or a nobody joke like Duncan Hunter).


28 posted on 03/11/2010 1:26:27 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: pissant
Ziegler's been of this opinion for a while now.

Normally I agree with Ziegler, but in this instance, I think he's missing a point.

Palin is not a Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama who's life long dream is to be President. If we are to take her at her word, she's not in politics for her own gain. Believing her and with all the money she is and could be making, I think any decision on her part will be dictated by what the landscape looks like by next year.

At this point, what potential Conservative candidate appears poised to make a run in a Country which appears to be looking for a Conservative? So far....none.

If that remains the case, I'd bet Palin runs.

29 posted on 03/11/2010 1:28:06 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Joy Angela
Zeigler and RedState Get It Wrong
30 posted on 03/11/2010 1:30:44 PM PST by Josh Painter ("We cannot spare this woman. She fights" - David Karki, regarding Sarah Palin)
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To: SoDak
I’m coming to the conclusion that Free Republic is probably the only place that Palin could win the nomination. It just doesn’t look good anywhere else.

You need to get out more.

31 posted on 03/11/2010 1:30:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Rational Thought

Hunter/DeMint/Pence. I think they may all be running.


32 posted on 03/11/2010 1:31:04 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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bump


33 posted on 03/11/2010 1:34:02 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: JMS
He also accepts the idea that Palin is a “quitter” in the eyes of the public.

I agree with your other points but I believe Palin has some real work to deal with this label because I do believe, correctly or not, that many Americans view her leaving office as quitting.

I understand why she left, but most Americans don't follow the news rather less political news.

34 posted on 03/11/2010 1:36:11 PM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: dirtboy
Please name one pubbie would WOULDN'T face a media battle in 2012.

The press has decided that Romney will be the GOP candidate and any even remotely conservative candidate that is foolish enough to try to run against him will be destroyed. Then after the primaries the media will destroy Romney and we get four more years of Obama.

Seriously if we don't attack the media first there is no chance of stopping president for life Obama. Look at Venezuela. Chavez got in on a squeaker and everyone thought that while he was crazy he would be voted out later. But once he had complete control of the press there was no way to rally opposition against him.
35 posted on 03/11/2010 1:37:49 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

He’s pro-Palin, but ....

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Sigh. I get so tired of reading this.

It seems to pop up on all the Palin bashing threads lately.

BINGO we have a winner!!!


36 posted on 03/11/2010 1:38:13 PM PST by Robbin (If Sarah isnÂ’t welcome, IÂ’m not welcome, itÂ’s just that simpleÂ…)
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To: pissant

Maybe.

If there is a strong Conservative candidate, Palin probably wouldn’t run.

She appears to be a team player in the Conservative cause.


37 posted on 03/11/2010 1:41:16 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Joy Angela

Sarah can run because Obama is a one termer.

He can’t run for another term because of the new birth certificate requirements passed by numerous state legislatures.


38 posted on 03/11/2010 1:41:58 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Joy Angela

Sure with ‘Pro’ people like Ziegler there no way she could win. Tell you what lets run Mitt and watch the Republican party get their asses handed to them. How is that for a plan?


39 posted on 03/11/2010 1:42:07 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Joy Angela
Ziegler is making a giant ASSumption that I do not believe is true: that the country is going to putter along just like it has, and that 2012 will be just another presidential election, just another movie, just another song and dance, another poor sucker who never had a chance, just like 2016.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

We are about to see a sovereign debt, banking and real estate crisis the likes of which the world has never seen. Trillions of "dollars" will disappear into a black hole after a supernova of inflation like we've never seen. Anyone who thinks "health care" or "she's a quitter" is going to be on any sane person's political radar in November 2012 is out of their freakin' minds.

If we make it through next Christmas without U1 unemployment being below 15%, I will be shocked.

Sarah Palin will come along at just the right time in 2012, IMHO.

And for the anti-Palin agitators: there's one ONE I worship, and it's ain't Palin, but she knows Him too.

40 posted on 03/11/2010 1:44:34 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (No more RINOS; I will vote my conscience, even if I have to write "Sarah Palin" on the ballot!)
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