Skip to comments.The Slaughter Solution: The Metamorphosis of The American Republic Into Government By Fiat
Posted on 03/14/2010 1:31:24 PM PDT by callisto
fiat [ˈfaɪət -æt], n., a legally binding command or decision; an arbitrary order or decree
A very dangerous act is being attempted by the Left to secure their rule over the American people and transform the legislative process from a Constitutional Republic to a government by fiat. Today on Fox News Sunday, Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional Slaughter Rule as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote and in defiance to the will of the American people.
The Slaughter rule would declare that the House of Representatives deems the Senate health care bill passed by the House. House members would have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but would then be able to claim they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself. In other words, Democrats will avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law! They will take over one-sixth of the US economy without voting on it in direct violation to the legislative process defined by the U.S Constitution. Article I, Section VII, Clause II specifically states,
"Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;... But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively."
(Excerpt) Read more at newsrealblog.com ...
Without having yet read the article ( I will, I don’t pass up Horowitz) I have gotta say that since the very first time I read that term when they were closeted with the parlaimentarian, that “The Slaughter Solution” is the most APTLY NAMED legislative trick I have learned of since Hitler’s “Final Solution”.
How very, VERY appropriate.
This is the process by which the elected president of Venezuela became the dictator.
The author makes that same point. Our Republic will cease to exist and we will be at the mercy of their fiat.
The American people (those with any sense) would then be morally and legally justified in physical resistance to an illegitimate government.
That’s rebellion to those of you in Rio Linda.
Yes, a Putsch!
The most reasonable reaction to this power grab that destroys the constitution is for all the states to declare themselves independent.
Back when I first read that Russian economist's prediction that the US would dissolve I thought he was nuts...now I see he was just better at predicting how evil the democrats can be.
I see mass protests in our future. We’ll try the peaceful ones first.
Time to arm. Time to secede!
I believe this is actually the goal of the democrat party...to create a crisis so they can declare martial law and turn the US into a dictatorship. A cloward and piven strategy.
They are more than likely to start a civil war and get themselves killed.
Time for action if this happens.
Does it make you wonder if zero actually intends to leave the White House for anything other than a vacation?
Agreed. They are already working on amendments which will include nationalizing student loans, and are discussing adding cap-n-trade to the bill. It's a win-win situation in their eyes. Those idiots who voted for Obama in '08 voted for the destruction of our nation. And those conservatives who decided to stay home and not vote to teach the Pubbies a lesson are equally at fault.
The democrats have put all of their cookies in to one basket, they all all in, betting the farm. They seem to know now that the failure of healthcare legislation will result in their complete demise for decades into the future. Their only recourse, dissolution of our democratic republic.
This may well prove to be an actual battle between the SCOTUS vs. POTUS and Congress.
Any and all who would proceed or promote this direction (via the Slaughter fiat) are traitors and deserve a traitor’s fate.
The parliamentary ruling put a stop to a different thing. The Senate Dems were going to try to use reconciliation on a bill after it passed the House but before it was signed by the President.
That way the worried House Dems could be calmed into believing that the bill would not become law until changes were made. The ruling was that only after the bill became law by presidential signing could the so-called reconciliation proceed.
What THIS article is saying is that Louise Slaughter who runs the Rules Committee thinks she can put in a rule for this bill that says it passes without a recorded vote. Just declare it passed (if they don’t have the votes). I think there are limited circumstances where this has been done before, but never on something of this nature and magnitude. If a bill is about to sail through the House and there’s some time urgency, I think it has been done where it was declared as passed without a role call vote.
To threaten its use here smacks of a COUP, a dictatorship against the will of the people.
The Senate Parliamentarian does not rule on House procedures. If Slaughter’s rule declared the bill passed, and Obama signed it, that would suffice.
Anyway, Rush believes there will never be any reconciliation. That when the bill is signed into law that will be that.
“Their only recourse, dissolution of our democratic republic.”
It will be the thing that ignites Civil War II and also the signing of their own death warrants as traitors to the Consitution and Republic.
“That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”
Totally agree.I find it amazing that the Head of the CBO
and now the House Parliamentarian were summoned to the
Let them pass it and Obama sign it. Constitutional Grounds for IMPEACHMENT of PELOSI and OBAMA!
So if this Unconstitutional plan doesn't work, would the Liberal Messiah simply declare Martial Law and enact ObamaCare by executive order? [/sarc]
beware the ides of Mars.
God has a sense of humor. I recall a time when Congressman Cox and Congressman Dix investigated Chinagate. “Cox and Dix probe Clinton.”
Ever get the feeling these people don’t understand what’s going to happen in the civil war they’re laying the groundwork for?
Already tried...and to no avail.
Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional "Slaughter Rule" as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote and in defiance to the will of the American people. The Slaughter rule would declare that the House of Representatives "deems" the Senate health care bill "passed" by the House. House members would have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but would then be able to claim they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself.Thanks callisto.
Yes, they are like the French aristocracy of 1788 who didn’t get it until they were put in carts and driven to the center of Paris where their heads were cut off.
The Supreme Court should strike that down.
I love that the people whose favorite words are “democracy democracy democracy” suddenly don’t want to have votes on things.
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country
Oh goody, that means no rules that we have to follow either. It will be massive unrest and it means we don’t have to pay taxes either. WOOHOO!
“Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional “Slaughter Rule” as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote...”
Hey Chris thank you for the documented statement of evidence for your high treason trial. It will not take us long nor a lot of money to convict you and send your worthless hide to prison.
I assume you're joking, but I'd rather not see the democrats destroy the nation by creating a constitutional crisis and turning the nation into a dictatorship.
However, IF PASSED it's going before the SCOTUS on several counts of violating the Constitution and confirm the fears of almost three quarters of the country, causing that distinctly American reaction of slowly, quietly coming to a boil. We know what tends to happen there.
So I don't see how, in any way, forcing this down our throats is a win for the Dems.
Not some legal bar fly, but someone with real Constitutional law credentials.
P.S has this Slaughter Rule ever been used before?
Yes Mark Levin has and he said it is unconstitutional.
Must read: Mark Steyn explains why Obamacare is worth the price to the Dems.
A major question will be if this strategy is used, will any state have what it takes to really challenge Federal rule. This is a coup against the Republic and should be treated as such.
Just as fiat currency is an improvement on gold money, so government by fiat will be an improvement over government by law.
I lerned that in colledge.
There is also something involved in something like this called “The Law of Unintended Consequences” where they may think they have thought it all through. But in reality they may than likely get a violent backlash from the American public that will lead not only to massive electoral defeat but also criminal prosecution, punishment and the total ruination of themselves.
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