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The Slaughter Solution: The Metamorphosis of The American Republic Into Government By Fiat
David Horowitz's NewsRealBlog ^ | March 14 | Liz Blaine

Posted on 03/14/2010 1:31:24 PM PDT by callisto

fiat [ˈfaɪət -æt], n., a legally binding command or decision; an arbitrary order or decree

A very dangerous act is being attempted by the Left to secure their rule over the American people and transform the legislative process from a Constitutional Republic to a government by fiat. Today on Fox News Sunday, Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional “Slaughter Rule” as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote and in defiance to the will of the American people.

The Slaughter rule would declare that the House of Representatives “deems” the Senate health care bill “passed” by the House. House members would have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but would then be able to claim they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself. In other words, Democrats will avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law! They will take over one-sixth of the US economy without voting on it in direct violation to the legislative process defined by the U.S Constitution. Article I, Section VII, Clause II specifically states,

"Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;... But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; constitution; democrats; donttreadonme; fiat; healthcaredemocrats; liberalfascism; obamacare; rapeofliberty; slaughter; slaughterrule; socialisthealthcare
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Please watch the video and read the remainder of the article. The Democrats may very well end our Constitutional Republic if we don't stop this process.
1 posted on 03/14/2010 1:31:24 PM PDT by callisto
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To: callisto
I had read that the Senate Parliamentarian had all but put
an end to this particular end-run around our Constitution....
so they plan to have Biden overrule the Parliamantarian???
Time for another, BIGGER march on DC!!!
2 posted on 03/14/2010 1:35:06 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Tea Party March on Washington 2.010: This Time It's War.)
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To: callisto
If the democrats choose this route of discarding the constitution then they also remove any shred of validity to the federal government. With this fiat they will by the same dictatorial decree have disbanded the United States.
3 posted on 03/14/2010 1:35:13 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: callisto

Without having yet read the article ( I will, I don’t pass up Horowitz) I have gotta say that since the very first time I read that term when they were closeted with the parlaimentarian, that “The Slaughter Solution” is the most APTLY NAMED legislative trick I have learned of since Hitler’s “Final Solution”.

How very, VERY appropriate.


4 posted on 03/14/2010 1:35:43 PM PDT by cake_crumb (RR on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: callisto

This is the process by which the elected president of Venezuela became the dictator.


5 posted on 03/14/2010 1:36:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: highlander_UW

The author makes that same point. Our Republic will cease to exist and we will be at the mercy of their fiat.


6 posted on 03/14/2010 1:37:17 PM PDT by callisto (It's the three T' s: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency)
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To: highlander_UW

The American people (those with any sense) would then be morally and legally justified in physical resistance to an illegitimate government.

That’s rebellion to those of you in Rio Linda.


7 posted on 03/14/2010 1:38:44 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: cake_crumb

Yes, a Putsch!


8 posted on 03/14/2010 1:39:01 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: callisto
The author makes that same point. Our Republic will cease to exist and we will be at the mercy of their fiat.

The most reasonable reaction to this power grab that destroys the constitution is for all the states to declare themselves independent.

Back when I first read that Russian economist's prediction that the US would dissolve I thought he was nuts...now I see he was just better at predicting how evil the democrats can be.

9 posted on 03/14/2010 1:40:57 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: callisto

I see mass protests in our future. We’ll try the peaceful ones first.


10 posted on 03/14/2010 1:41:56 PM PDT by yooling ( FUBO)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Time to arm. Time to secede!


11 posted on 03/14/2010 1:42:08 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The American people (those with any sense) would then be morally and legally justified in physical resistance to an illegitimate government. That’s rebellion to those of you in Rio Linda.

I believe this is actually the goal of the democrat party...to create a crisis so they can declare martial law and turn the US into a dictatorship. A cloward and piven strategy.

12 posted on 03/14/2010 1:44:04 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: highlander_UW

They are more than likely to start a civil war and get themselves killed.


13 posted on 03/14/2010 1:47:17 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: callisto
If Fiat is "a legally binding command or decision" yet, what the Dems want to do this against the Constitution.. How can it be legally binding.. How can they get away with this.. What can be done to stop them?
14 posted on 03/14/2010 1:47:26 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: highlander_UW

Time for action if this happens.


15 posted on 03/14/2010 1:47:41 PM PDT by manonCANAL
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To: Travis McGee

Does it make you wonder if zero actually intends to leave the White House for anything other than a vacation?


16 posted on 03/14/2010 1:50:21 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: highlander_UW
I believe this is actually the goal of the democrat party...to create a crisis so they can declare martial law and turn the US into a dictatorship. A cloward and piven strategy.

Agreed. They are already working on amendments which will include nationalizing student loans, and are discussing adding cap-n-trade to the bill. It's a win-win situation in their eyes. Those idiots who voted for Obama in '08 voted for the destruction of our nation. And those conservatives who decided to stay home and not vote to teach the Pubbies a lesson are equally at fault.

17 posted on 03/14/2010 1:50:27 PM PDT by callisto (It's the three T' s: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency)
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To: Dr. Ursus

The democrats have put all of their cookies in to one basket, they all all in, betting the farm. They seem to know now that the failure of healthcare legislation will result in their complete demise for decades into the future. Their only recourse, dissolution of our democratic republic.

This may well prove to be an actual battle between the SCOTUS vs. POTUS and Congress.

Any and all who would proceed or promote this direction (via the Slaughter fiat) are traitors and deserve a traitor’s fate.


18 posted on 03/14/2010 1:50:54 PM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: MamaLucci

The parliamentary ruling put a stop to a different thing. The Senate Dems were going to try to use reconciliation on a bill after it passed the House but before it was signed by the President.

That way the worried House Dems could be calmed into believing that the bill would not become law until changes were made. The ruling was that only after the bill became law by presidential signing could the so-called reconciliation proceed.

What THIS article is saying is that Louise Slaughter who runs the Rules Committee thinks she can put in a rule for this bill that says it passes without a recorded vote. Just declare it passed (if they don’t have the votes). I think there are limited circumstances where this has been done before, but never on something of this nature and magnitude. If a bill is about to sail through the House and there’s some time urgency, I think it has been done where it was declared as passed without a role call vote.

To threaten its use here smacks of a COUP, a dictatorship against the will of the people.

The Senate Parliamentarian does not rule on House procedures. If Slaughter’s rule declared the bill passed, and Obama signed it, that would suffice.

Anyway, Rush believes there will never be any reconciliation. That when the bill is signed into law that will be that.


19 posted on 03/14/2010 1:53:26 PM PDT by txrangerette ("Question with boldness. Hold to the truth. Speak without fear". - Glenn Beck -)
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To: downtownconservative

“Their only recourse, dissolution of our democratic republic.”

It will be the thing that ignites Civil War II and also the signing of their own death warrants as traitors to the Consitution and Republic.


20 posted on 03/14/2010 1:53:56 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: manonCANAL

“That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”


21 posted on 03/14/2010 1:56:39 PM PDT by yooling ( FUBO)
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To: downtownconservative

Totally agree.I find it amazing that the Head of the CBO
and now the House Parliamentarian were summoned to the
White House.


22 posted on 03/14/2010 1:57:28 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: callisto

Let them pass it and Obama sign it. Constitutional Grounds for IMPEACHMENT of PELOSI and OBAMA!


23 posted on 03/14/2010 1:59:51 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: txrangerette
Thanks for that cogent explanation.........I'm really
beginning to believe that CWII is coming sooner
than any of us could have imagined. I for one will NOT
comply with this unconstitutional cram down.
24 posted on 03/14/2010 2:00:36 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Tea Party March on Washington 2.010: This Time It's War.)
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To: MamaLucci
I had read that the Senate Parliamentarian had all but put an end to this particular end-run around our Constitution.... so they plan to have Biden overrule the Parliamentarian??? Time for another, BIGGER march on DC!!!

So if this Unconstitutional plan doesn't work, would the Liberal Messiah simply declare Martial Law and enact ObamaCare by executive order? [/sarc]

25 posted on 03/14/2010 2:01:29 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: highlander_UW

beware the ides of Mars.


26 posted on 03/14/2010 2:01:54 PM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: highlander_UW

bttt


27 posted on 03/14/2010 2:03:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: cake_crumb

God has a sense of humor. I recall a time when Congressman Cox and Congressman Dix investigated Chinagate. “Cox and Dix probe Clinton.”


28 posted on 03/14/2010 2:03:31 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: callisto
This simply cannot be constitutional. I don't believe the Constitution provides that bills must be "deemed" to have passed .... Then again, so far as I can see, the Democrats see the Constitution as just so much highly-decorated toilet-paper.


29 posted on 03/14/2010 2:04:26 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: callisto

Ever get the feeling these people don’t understand what’s going to happen in the civil war they’re laying the groundwork for?


30 posted on 03/14/2010 2:06:18 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: yooling
... We’ll try the peaceful ones first.

Already tried...and to no avail.

31 posted on 03/14/2010 2:07:01 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (If you remove the first Amendment, we'll be forced to move on to the next one.)
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To: grellis

Chrysler ping.


32 posted on 03/14/2010 2:08:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://themagicnegro.com/)
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To: callisto
The Democrats in the House, our House, our Congress, who are supposed to represent us, the US citizens, are out of %@$&$%@ Control!
33 posted on 03/14/2010 2:09:46 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional "Slaughter Rule" as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote and in defiance to the will of the American people. The Slaughter rule would declare that the House of Representatives "deems" the Senate health care bill "passed" by the House. House members would have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but would then be able to claim they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself.
Thanks callisto.
34 posted on 03/14/2010 2:10:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://themagicnegro.com/)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Yes, they are like the French aristocracy of 1788 who didn’t get it until they were put in carts and driven to the center of Paris where their heads were cut off.


35 posted on 03/14/2010 2:12:35 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: callisto

The Supreme Court should strike that down.


36 posted on 03/14/2010 2:13:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: callisto

I love that the people whose favorite words are “democracy democracy democracy” suddenly don’t want to have votes on things.


37 posted on 03/14/2010 2:15:19 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: SunkenCiv

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country


38 posted on 03/14/2010 2:15:40 PM PDT by manonCANAL
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To: highlander_UW

Oh goody, that means no rules that we have to follow either. It will be massive unrest and it means we don’t have to pay taxes either. WOOHOO!


39 posted on 03/14/2010 2:15:48 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional “Slaughter Rule” as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote...”

Hey Chris thank you for the documented statement of evidence for your high treason trial. It will not take us long nor a lot of money to convict you and send your worthless hide to prison.


40 posted on 03/14/2010 2:16:43 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: callisto
Houston, we have a problem:


41 posted on 03/14/2010 2:18:10 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: mojitojoe
Oh goody, that means no rules that we have to follow either. It will be massive unrest and it means we don’t have to pay taxes either. WOOHOO!

I assume you're joking, but I'd rather not see the democrats destroy the nation by creating a constitutional crisis and turning the nation into a dictatorship.

42 posted on 03/14/2010 2:19:08 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: broken_arrow1
Whom is this a “win” for? If not passed, it's a loss and Americans breathe more freely, possibly even feeling comfortable enough for a bit of magnanimity toward the addict n chief.

However, IF PASSED it's going before the SCOTUS on several counts of violating the Constitution and confirm the fears of almost three quarters of the country, causing that distinctly American reaction of slowly, quietly coming to a boil. We know what tends to happen there.

So I don't see how, in any way, forcing this down our throats is a win for the Dems.

43 posted on 03/14/2010 2:20:04 PM PDT by cake_crumb (RR on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: callisto
I am far from a Constitution lawyer (more into consumer affairs, traffic tickets and an impressive business card on Singles Night at the local saloon), but has any Constitutional expert weighed in on this.

Not some legal bar fly, but someone with real Constitutional law credentials.

P.S has this Slaughter Rule ever been used before?

44 posted on 03/14/2010 2:21:56 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: MindBender26

Yes Mark Levin has and he said it is unconstitutional.


45 posted on 03/14/2010 2:23:20 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Ah yes, Norm Dix and Chris Cox. Brave men, I always thought.
46 posted on 03/14/2010 2:25:40 PM PDT by cake_crumb (RR on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: cake_crumb

Must read: Mark Steyn explains why Obamacare is worth the price to the Dems.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/health-237719-care-government.html


47 posted on 03/14/2010 2:26:01 PM PDT by aphid (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: callisto

A major question will be if this strategy is used, will any state have what it takes to really challenge Federal rule. This is a coup against the Republic and should be treated as such.


48 posted on 03/14/2010 2:29:44 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: callisto

Just as fiat currency is an improvement on gold money, so government by fiat will be an improvement over government by law.

I lerned that in colledge.


49 posted on 03/14/2010 2:31:13 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: aphid

There is also something involved in something like this called “The Law of Unintended Consequences” where they may think they have thought it all through. But in reality they may than likely get a violent backlash from the American public that will lead not only to massive electoral defeat but also criminal prosecution, punishment and the total ruination of themselves.


50 posted on 03/14/2010 2:33:35 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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