Army Calls ‘Birther’ Doc’s Bluff

Military.com ^ | April 9, 2010 | Bryant Jordan

[EveningStar]

It's guts ball time for an Army surgeon who has vowed not to deploy to Afghanistan with his unit unless President Obama provides evidence that he's a "natural born" citizen of the United States.

In response to previously published statements by Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, the Army presented an official letter of counseling that directs him to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., on April 12 to begin deployment preparations with his unit.

[tom h]

I’m with you.

I think the possibilities range from: (1) his birth certificate, a legitimate one, cites his religion as Muslim because BHO Sr stated as much on the long-form BC; or (2) his mother relinquished his natural-born citizenship for him when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather. This explains why some recall him attending Occidental College as an international student.

One of his law partners wrote a long law review article back in 2004, just after his election to the US Senate and discovery by George Soros, in which the “natural birth” req’t of the Constitution was decried as being worthy of change.

It’s the tiny bits of evidence that are sometimes most revealing.

[parsifal]

Was it FDR or was it Teddy Roosevelt?

parsy, who isn’t sure

[Las Vegas Ron]

An officer refusing to obey GWB in 2001 would have been full of crap. So is this one.

Except the SCOTUS and lower courts determined Bush's legitimacy, can't say the same for the bamster.

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest bammie is eligible per the Constitution.

Unless you are taking his word for it?

[discomatic]

Man. He had to provide a birth certificate for kindergarden but not to be in charge of the nuclear codes. I do think it’s completely feasible that he was born in Kenya or Indonesia. Do you remember Danny Williams? He was supposed to be Bill Clinton’s love child in Australia or somewhere. Clinton let the drama surrounding the accusation build and build until finally The Inquirer proved that they were not related. I’m just concerned that this could be a similar situation.

[bushpilot1]

He served in a combat zone with the 3rd Squadron 4th Cavalry Regiment. The issue is Obama proving he is a natural born citizen. This officer, who is on the promotion list to Colonel is an honorable man, Obama is not.

He is a patriot.

[BP2]

give this guy an honorable discharge.

Yes, please discharge this guy. Better yet, a courts martial.

It helps to build his Legal Standing status for Quo Warranto ... a sticking point of which he, the US Army JAG Office & US Attorneys are all aware.

He is not in violation of Article 88. If they try to gig him on an Article 86, 87 or 92 violation, when he's trying to bring a suit, such a move by the Army will likely be seen as plaintiff intimidation in later appeals. Yes ... he IS "government property" as far as the DoD and UCMJ is concerned, but he still has rights in the Federal Court system.

If he waits, the US Army will likely cancel his deployment orders, which he does NOT want, but likely has a contingency plan for. Even though the Army may appear to be using the heavy hand of intimidation, dissension in the O-5 and below officer ranks would be a bad move by the DoD and would bring much media to a story the DoD does not really want to see the light of day.

The professional American military officer is taught to avoid politics.

However — and trust me on this — there's far more officers and senior NCOs on AD and Reserve status who have doubts about their current CinC than they would EVER utter in front of a civilian ...

... unless and until they had NO OTHER CHOICE.

[dalereed]

“If you want to follow Berg, Keyes, and Taitz off the cliff, be my guest.”

In a fast second before I’d follow you!

[Red Steel]

Has anyone in Congress - which has the power to remove a President - or the Supreme Court shown any doubts? Has any case gone forward?

There is something to be said for intimidation, shouted down by the media, don't care, and just plain cowardice.

No, and no. Therefor, the military needs to assume he is legitimate unless and until someone demonstrates a reason he is not.

Yes yes. That's is up to everyone of them and their good conscious if they believe otherwise. Obama should be the one who should have proven that he is eligible for office because credible and a overwhelmingly preponderance of evidence say he is not.

An officer refusing to obey GWB in 2001 would have been full of crap. So is this one.

That crap you smell is being perpetrated at the White House.

[Hardraade]

[William Tell]

Mr Rogers said: "Therefor, the military needs to assume he is legitimate unless and until someone demonstrates a reason he is not."

By "the military" do you mean every single member of the military? Or just some of them? If the military has a DUTY not to obey unConstitutional orders, just how many of the military must observe this duty in order to question the legitimacy of Obama? What's the magic number that would make the questioning of Obama's legitimacy into the performance of a DUTY?

[tired_old_conservative]

You've sent me this before. Have you even read your last three citations? None of them state that a natural born citizen is someone with two citizen parents. The Hamilton quote doesn't even use the term “natural born citizen.” If Obama was born in Hawaii, by Hamilton's quote he was born a Citizen of these United States, and therefore eligible to be President.

And Minor vs. Hapersett very clearly does not give a definition of natural born citizen. Carefully read the text:

“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words “all children” are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as “all persons,” and if females are included in the last, they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact, the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.”

They do not make a determination of NBC at all. And the hypothetical issue they raise is whether or not children born here without reference to the citizenship of the parents are citizens at all. Which they explicitly state they do not need to determine. And all of which predates the 14th Amendment.

The later language in United States vs, Wong Kim Ark is far more explicit and can only be read to conclude that a historical and legal basis for considering children born here to be NBCs exists. That basis was explicitly cited by an actual court last year to conclude that Obama was an NBC. You can think that's wrong all you want, but at present, it trumps a cut-and-paste list from the writings of some lawyer losing every case they bring.

[tired_old_conservative]

Your maturity and sophistication are noted.

[Drew68]

Do you even know what this man is responsible for on duty?

Yeah, I know exactly what he's responsible for on duty. He's a flight surgeon. He tends to pilots and makes sure they're medically cleared to fly. When pilots aren't cleared to fly, they don't. When pilots don't fly the men on the ground don't have air support. When the men on the ground don't have air support, they die.

The Army is short of flight surgeons. If Lakin doesn't go that means someone else will have to go in his place. That means some other flight surgeon who just put in 15 months in Afghanistan is going to have to pack his bags, kiss his wife goodbye and turn back around. If the Army can't find someone to take his Lakin's place, see above.

So birthers can go ahead and celebrate "patriots" like Lt. Col Lakin. Me? I'll celebrate Patriots like Col. William Bernhard, a flight surgeon and a man who's been serving his country and his fighting men for 60 years as he packs his bags to serve yet again.

[Mr Rogers]

Every member of the military should assume he is legitimate unless and until he is found to be otherwise.

If this LTC thought Obama was not a legitimate Commander in Chief, then why didn’t he retire ASAP and go to court?

“What’s the magic number that would make the questioning of Obama’s legitimacy into the performance of a DUTY?”

There is no number. Zero. It isn’t for a standing army to decide who is their CINC.

[MissyMack66]

This man is the single most patriotic person in this country right now, and I support him and his efforts to dethrown this 0dictator.

[Mr Rogers]

“Obama should be the one who should have proven that he is eligible for office because credible and a overwhelmingly preponderance of evidence say he is not.”

The clear majority of the people and the Electoral College disagrees. Congress disagrees. And the courts haven’t found merit in a single case.

The LTC doesn’t get to decide who is President. That is reserved for the people of the USA acting thru the Electoral College.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Don't need to, they merely point out that the discussion existed, the SCOTUS decisions are what count, you go carefully read the text.

Then you cite Wong Kim Ark, a decision the dealt with citizenship, not NBC?

You think the Founder sacrificed everything so a the son of a British Subject could become POTUS?

The NBC meaning is clear, except to trolls.

[Non-Sequitur]

That was a civilian judge, this would be a Court Martial, composed of a board of officers, none of which are likely to be lawyers, and most of which, given his command, may be doctors. Doctors are not overly happy about Obamacare, probably not even military ones.

This will be a general court martial. It will be presided over by a judge who will be a military officer. The jury will be made up of fellow officers who may also be medical officers or may be line officers. While I never served on a court martial I know others who did and they took the assignment very seriously. All they were concerned with was the facts presented in evidence and whether or not prosecution proved their case. I don't expect the officers assigned to LCOL Lakin's court martial will be any different.

[Hardraade]

Your maturity and sophistication are noted.

Good. Did you notice the site the graphic came from? Very liberal. In fact, I believe they may be qualified to supply all of the xmas candy to the white house. Although maybe not. Didn't see any Mao or Hitler candies.

[True Republican Patriot]

“BIDEN” OBOZO!