Pastor Manning Columbia University

Atlah Ministries ^ | 3-29-10 | Atlah Ministries

[howkn]

"Obama, as a 2nd Executive Order, I think on January the 21st or 22nd of 2009, signed an order which forbade any court or anyone else, to look at any records pertaining to him from kindergarten to the day he was sworn in, that you cannot, cannot re-look at, have the Freedom of Information Act implied, or anything else...if you want to know about Obama, his records are sealed permanently by his Executive Order signature." Manning

[ETL]

Yes, he went to Columbia College, not Columbia University. However, Columbia College has facilities on the Columbia University campus.

From the Columbia University website...

"Obama attended Columbia College from 1981 to 1983"
Source:
http://news.columbia.edu/home/1260
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"Columbia College is the oldest undergraduate college at Columbia University, situated on the university's main campus of Morningside Heights in the Borough of Manhattan in the City of New York."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_College,_Columbia_University

[ETL]

Obama and the case of the missing 'thesis'
By Jim Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Producer
July 24, 2008

excerpt:

The hunt for Obama’s senior “thesis” began with a throwaway line in a newspaper article last October. The New York Times story, on Obama’s early New York years, mentioned in passing that the presidential contender had majored in political science at Columbia and had spent his time “writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament.”

Journalists began hounding Columbia University for copies of the musty document. Conservative bloggers began wondering if the young Obama had written a no-nukes screed that he might come to regret. And David Bossie, the former congressional investigator and “right-wing hit man,” as one newspaper described him, took out classified newspaper ads in Columbia University’s newspaper and the Chicago Tribune in March searching for the term paper.

Bossie came up dry, but said the effort was well worth it:

“A thesis entitled Soviet Nuclear Disarmament, written at the height of The Cold War in 1983, might shed some light upon what Barack Obama thought about our most pressing foreign policy issue for 40-plus years (U.S.-Soviet Relations),” he wrote in an e-mail to NBC News.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219454.aspx
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From the New York Times...

Obama's 1983 College Magazine Article
["Breaking the War Mentality"]

• Original Document (PDF)

"In 1983, at the height of the cold war, Barack Obama, then a senior at Columbia University, wrote in a campus newsmagazine about the vision of "a nuclear free world." The article in the Sundial profiled two campus groups: Arms Race Alternatives and Students Against Militarism."

http://documents.nytimes.com/obama-s-1983-college-magazine-article#p=1
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Why Won’t Obama Talk About Columbia?
The years he won’t discuss may explain the Ayers tie he keeps lying about:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjY4YzdhMDBkZGQ3ZmU2MTUzYjdkMzc5ZjUzYmViZWM=

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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: Institute For Policy Studies (IPS)

IPS’s [Institute For Policy Studies] Washington, DC headquarters quickly became a resource center for national reporters and a place for KGB agents from the nearby Soviet embassy to convene and strategize. Cora Weiss headed one of the IPS's most successful forays -- into Riverside Church in Manhattan. She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of "peace." In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations. During her decade-long tenure at Riverside, which became home to the National Council of Churches, Weiss regularly received Russian KGB agents, Sandinista friends, and Cuban intelligence agents. Weiss became infamous for her role in the psychological warfare conducted against U.S. prisoners of war held in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" during the Vietnam War.

The Liberation News Service, which is a news source for hundreds of "alternative" publications nationwide (with antiwar, Marxist-oriented perspectives), was founded in 1967 with IPS assistance."

[lots more at link...]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991
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From the website of Riverside Church...

The Riverside Church
490 Riverside Drive
New York, New York 10027
212-870-6700

The Riverside Church is located on Manhattan’s Upper West Side near Columbia University.

http://www.theriversidechurchny.org/about/?directions
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From the Columbia University website...

"Obama attended Columbia College from 1981 to 1983"
Source:
http://news.columbia.edu/home/1260
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"She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of 'peace.'

In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991

[howkn]

Sounds like Manning has evidence that Obama never went to Columbia U in any way, shape or form. Should be interesting.

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RE: Riverside Church, Communist Party USA, "no-nukes", May Day 2010 (May 1)

Communist Led “Peace Movement” to Target US Military Budget

Guided by the Communist Party USA, the U.S.  “peace movement”  is entering a new phase.

The struggles against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will be de-emphasized, while focus will shift to a broad based campaign to cut U.S. military spending.

The Communists plan to exploit public concern over economic problems, to pressure the Obama administration to hugely cut back on defense spending, weapons systems and overseas commitments.

"[Communist Party USA vice chair, Judith] LeBlanc signals that the “peace movement’s” new direction will begin with a major campaign. Significantly May 1 [2010!], will be the kickoff date and New York’s far left Riverside Church will be the founding venue."

"There will be people from every continent here to participate in the non-governmental organization gatherings that will be going on, with an international conference happening at Riverside Church from April 30 to May 1 [communist "May Day"], and then marching on May 2."
--Judith LeBlanc, vice-chair Communist Party USA, 'national field organizer for Peace Action, the country’s largest grassroots peace organization with 100,000 members across the country', also co-founder of "United for Peace and Justice"

http://keywiki.org/blog/?p=101

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Obama Espoused Radical Views in College [advocated communist revolution!]
Steve Malzberg - WOR News Talk Radio 710 ^ | February 12, 2010 | Ronald Kessler

Dr. John C. Drew, a grant writing consultant in Laguna Niguel, Calif., tells Newsmax he met Obama in 1980 when Obama was a sophomore at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Drew had just graduated from Occidental and was attending graduate school at Cornell University.

During Christmas break, Drew says he was at Grauman-Boss’ home in Palo Alto when Obama came over with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, his roommate from Pakistan.

“Barack [Obama] and Hasan showed up at the house in a BMW, and then we went to a restaurant together,” Drew says. “We had a nice meal, and then we came back to the house and smoked cigarettes and drank and argued politics.”

For the next several hours, they discussed Marxism.

“He [Obama] was arguing a straightforward Marxist-Leninist class-struggle point of view, which anticipated that there would be a revolution of the working class, led by revolutionaries, who would overthrow the capitalist system and institute a new socialist government that would redistribute the wealth,” says Drew, who says he himself was then a Marxist.

“The idea was basically that wealthy people were exploiting others,” Drew says. “That this was the secret of their wealth, that they weren’t paying others enough for their work, and they were using and taking advantage of other people. He was convinced that a revolution would take place, and it would be a good thing.”

Drew concluded that Obama thought of himself as “part of an intelligent, radical vanguard that was leading the way towards this revolution and towards this new society.” ..."

Referring to Obama’s quote from “Dreams of My Father” that he associated with Marxist professors, Drew says, “What he’s not saying is that he was in 100 percent total agreement with those Marxist professors. When you understand that, Obama’s later associations and policies make more sense, including why he was taken in by Rev. Wright’s ideology.”

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From "45 Communist Goals":
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here or at many other sites through a web search for "45 goals":
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

[Hostage]

That is not what Manning claimed. Manning claimed Obama was hired by the Agency to work the threatre in Pakistan and Afghanistan during the time of the Soviet occupation.

At the time Obama was not known as pro-Soviet. He was likely known as someone that could read the Koran from his education in Indonesia and who knew Muslim customs.

So Manning is not a crackpot here. You OTOH have jumped to conclusions and shown yourself to be easy to manipulate, or you want to disrupt the thread.

Manning has a good case against Columbia, that they allowed Obama to be admitted even though he was not qualified. And we will see if Manning has any evidence that Obama was admitted to Columbia because of the Agency opening a door for him there, which is what they do routinely for ‘assets’ under development.

So Manning is expected to link the anomalous admission of Obama by Columbia to his being an ‘asset’ for the Agency; and yes again, such things happen routinely.

If Manning has proof from those that worked at Columbia or attended and knew of Obama, knew of his Agency sponsorship, then it’s not such a big deal. Because hundreds of students are financed by the Agency and associated organizations such as the Rand Corporation.

In fact, Obama has all the makings of an Agency developed asset. Whether the Agency had him on the roster or not, Manning may provide evidence that they did. Whether he continued to be sponsored by the Agency, if he ever was, is also unknown. The recent complaints of the UChicago law professors seem plausible that it could be Agency but could just as well be Chicago machine strongarming.

And BTW, the Agency does hire Pro-Soviet agents to serve as double agents and infiltrators. Sometimes such people are true believers, but the Agency doesn’t care because such people are under watch and they serve a purpose.

Communists, Leftists and even Terrorists can get into the outer layers of the Agency easily because like the saying goes, “Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”. The Agency has many many rings of security, and they will take anybody who suits their purposes and put them into a compartment where they can be monitored.

[howkn]

The distance between Pastor Manning's church and Columbia University, about 5 minutes. Columbia acts like they are one of the most prestigious University's in the world, yet they allegedly may have willingly engaged in fraud on Ob's behalf? If so, all Columbia Degree's are a sham.

[howkn]

If that’s the case, Ob needs to quit lying that he completed the necessary courses to receive a legitimate bachelors degree. Or like Manning said, was able to waltz in and waltz out without having to do any work.

And would Obama have been elected Pres if people had known he had lied about his undergraduate degree? If it’s true that he lied about his undergraduate degree, no matter the reasons, it shows that he committed fraud, as did the University. There is no way he would have won the Presidency if everyone knew he didn’t complete any of the classes necessary to obtain a bachelor’s degree, if that’s the case.

He never would have won, if everyone knew he obtained a bachelors degree as a freebie. Everyone who’s worked hard and paid lots of money and still paying lots of money for the education, would say, hey why was he treated special? Why didn’t he have to do any of the work or pay any of the money? And at the very least, if it is true, at least be upfront about it and see if you can win with everyone knowing the truth about your lack of education. Instead of posing like you passed all the tests, if that is indeed what happened.

He wouldn’t have won if everyone knew he was given a free degree without even attending classes, if that’s the case which Manning sounds like he is going to prove on May 14.

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At the time Obama was not known as pro-Soviet.

Of course he was. Did you miss my earlier postings? To even think it a remote possibility is beyond absurd. This is the kind of stuff the left puts out deliberately to make the right look crazy. And it seems to work every time they do it.

[tired_old_conservative]

“Reverend Manning is either a stooge of the commie left or completely out of his mind. One of the things he is alleging is that Obama was hired by the Reagan administration as a CIA operative to spy on the Soviets! Nothing could be more ridiculous than that. So, while he raises many legitimate issues about Obama, he totally discredits himself and the anti-Obama movement with insanity such as this, at least in the minds of the many who don’t know much about who and what Obama is. It’ll be like telling people Obama is a communist followed by he is also from the planet Mars.”

My thoughts exactly. I don't get this whole thing. Obviously, Reverand Manning is a few bolts shy of a load, but in the Youtube episode I watched, he is accusing Obama of being an undercover CIA operative assisting in organizing and coordinating the Afghan resistance to the Soviet invasion. It's patent nonsense, but even if it were true... That was stated US policy at the time. Lots of US operatives did exactly that. Wouldn't Obama have simply been loyally serving his country?

So it's crazy nonsense that doesn't even lead anywhere.

[Hostage]

Thanks for the map but it’s not that big a deal. The CIA routinely recruits on college campuses and they also open doors for seasoned recruits to enter into organizations for which such recruits would never enter ordinarily.

This is not such a big deal really. If Manning can 1) show Obama was admitted without qualification and 2) that it was the Agency that placed him inside Columbia, then it is not a big deal because it is but one in thousands and thousands of such actions that the Agency routinely performs.

What would be a big deal is to find out if the Agency barred Obama from further assignment or access because they found out he was a double agent or some such, or that he was unreliable or that was compromised. But all that Manning can do is get information from those that remember any of this involvement during the Columbia days. It looks like Manning with his close proximity to Columbia and his extensive community networks would be ideally suited to acquire information that would be otherwise near impossible to retrieve.

That said, it is frightening that a person such as Obama could be elected as President of the United States. If the Agency really did have him under sponsorship at one time or another, then it could be difficult to get the intelligence file out on him without suffering cries of racism, and they certainly could not go further than that without riots, if you know what I mean.

[howkn]

The main part of the trial is about Obama lying about going to Columbia University. And Manning states he has evidence and witnesses to show that he never attended Columbia which will be provided throughout the 7 days of the trial. If proven, Ob’s will have to step down as he will have committed fraud. And Columbia will have to answer to their part in the coverup.

[Hostage]

I understamd your sentiments. But the fact is there are some among us who receive priviledges. It’s not fair I know, but it’s a fact.

And absolutely you are correct that had Obama been properly vetted by the broadcast and print media, he would never have been elected. But then we would likely have Hillary Clinton as President, and she has awful things in her past as well.

That said, I am grateful Pastor Manning is getting noticed, and I hope he gets traction because anything to out the truth on Obama at this point will play into the Fall elections.

[howkn]

All of it is a big deal if true. Ob never would have won if everyone knew Obama is lying about his education, he will have to step down.

If he lied about his education, he’s unworthy of the office.

[howkn]

It isn't just about privileges, it's about lying and the cover-up. The continual lying and cover-up.

If he lied about his education, he needs to step down. Period.

[tired_old_conservative]

“The main part of the trial is about Obama lying about going to Columbia University. And Manning states he has evidence and witnesses to show that he never attended Columbia which will be provided throughout the 7 days of the trial. If proven, Ob’s will have to step down as he will have committed fraud. And Columbia will have to answer to their part in the coverup.”

Why?

If this obviously untrue and deranged story were actually true, Obama simply would have been provided a cover story by the US government while going overseas to bravely put himself at risk serving the stated policy of the Reagan administration. We don't prosecute undercover operatives for fraud because their undercover cover story isn't true.

[ConjunctionJunction]

As I understand it, that particular executive order has to do with Presidential records - that is, records that are created while he is in office. It gives directives to the National Archives, etc. As far as I know, the executive order does not direct the state of Hawaii to do anything with regard to his vital records. They are covered by Hawaii state law and Hawaii’s UIPA (Hawaii’s version of FOIA).

Perhaps one of our FReeper legal eagles can comment on this.

[Hostage]

Being a communist is not an impediment to getting Agnecy sponsorship. In fact it can be a weight in one’s favor.

For the Agency to put a hardcore Marxist on contract doesn’t mean anything other than the Agency is going to use such people for their intelligence gathering purposes. The Agency leads on these would-be infiltrators into believing they don’t see these recruits for what they really are, so such recruits continue to network with their Marxist buddies and in doing so they provide information about the network, who is who, how funded etc.

In Obama’s case, he was anti-war, pro-nuke freeze, and a Marxist egalitarian. CIA could get him entered into Columbia, then watch who he associates with.

Again, this is no big news as it happens routinely.

From my experiences, Obama looks like he was sponsored and I don’t think it is a big deal. Such people ordinarily never get beyond a grant or contract. I was routinely offered Agency grants when I was working on my doctorate. When final reports and briefings are made, the Agency closes the door and the records are destroyed. The only evidence Manning could have is anecdotal from witnesses.

Manning has a huge following in NYC. His following and the people in the community are not going to think “the right is crazy”, they are going to remember that Obama was someone that obtained that which he did not earn, and that maybe he got himself a recruitment contract with government spooks. It’s just going to make people more suspicious of Obama and that is going to be of benefit to the elections this Fall.