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McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens (MCCAIN ASSAULTS THE CONSTITUTION)
The New American ^ | 2010-04-18 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 04/18/2010 7:09:37 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens (as well as foreigners) indefinitely without trial. Known as The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081, the bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

The bill, which has eight cosponsors, explicitly names U.S. citizens as among those who can be detained indefinitely without trial:

An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent ... may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities. [Emphasis added.]

Note that the Bush administration once said that the so-called “war on terror” would last a generation or more, and the U.S. military has officially classified many former Guantanamo detainees, such as England's Tipton Three, as having “returned to the battlefield” for merely granting an interview for the movie The Road to Guantanamo. Another five innocent Uighur (Ethnic Turkish Muslims from China) detainees had been listed as having “returned to the battlefield” after their release because their lawyer had written an op-ed protesting their prolonged detention without trial after they had been mistakenly picked up by a greedy bounty hunter. Writing an opinion or speaking an opinion against the party in power in Washington can — and already has — made some people “enemy belligerents.”

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires that “No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” and the Sixth Amendment stipulates the due process of law that all are required to receive:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

The requirement for a jury trial has no exceptions for military reasons, and doesn't even exempt foreigners. It simply employs the phrase “all criminal prosecutions,” words that unequivocally apply to the military and civilian justice systems, as well as to both citizens and foreigners. The Founding Fathers truly applied Christ's command to “Do to others whatever you would have them do to you,” but John McCain's new bill wouldn't even do to American citizens what we would assume were basic rights. There is no greater tyranny than indefinite imprisonment at the whim of an executive without legal recourse, and that is precisely what McCain and eight other senators would impose upon America.

McCain defended his bill in a speech on the Senate floor March 4, stating:

The legislation would authorize detention of enemy belligerents without criminal charges for the duration of the hostilities consistent with standards under the law of war which have been recognized by the Supreme Court. Importantly, if a decision is made to hold a criminal trial after the necessary intelligence information is obtained, the bill mandates trial by military commission where we are best able to protect U.S. national security interests, including sensitive classified sources and methods, as well as the place and the people involved in the trial itself.

In other words, the right to trial by jury guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution would no longer be a right. The bill would mandate “military commissions” rather than a jury trial, if and when the President deems to hold a “trial.” Under McCain's legislation, trial by jury wouldn't just be a privilege that the President could withdraw at a whim, the President would be required to deny jury trials. The right to trial by jury would be denied entirely! Of course, any American could be held for decades without trial or even being charged with a crime under McCain's bill.

Cosponsors of the bill include Democrat/independent Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Republicans Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, David Vitter of Louisiana, George LeMieux of Florida, and Roger Wicker of Mississippi. Those cosponsoring this outright attack on the Bill of Rights are those same Republican neo-conservatives who have dominated the GOP for the last decade or more. Conservative constitutionalists need to reassert control of the Republican Party and purge this cancer from the party and the U.S. Senate, if they wish to retain their freedoms.


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To: Texas Fossil

I keep thinking about that DHS memorandum that was released several months ago, and those whom it classified as “possible domestic terrorist” threats. Combine that memorandum with the stipulation in this Bill that the POTUS has the final authority to determine a “belligerent’s” status, and every alarm in the house is going off.


101 posted on 04/18/2010 8:41:03 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: TigersEye
My answer to that is Live Free or Die.

Should that hour ever come, I pray for the courage to honor those that founded this great country and to fight for my posterity(for those in Rio Linda--those are the folks to be born in the future).

102 posted on 04/18/2010 8:41:07 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: skookum55; DoughtyOne; mkjessup; All

“but holding an enemy prisoner of war without trial for the duration of hostilities is the norm within the international law of warfare. In fact, if the enemy is an illegal combatant, he can be executed (but, I believe some sort of trial is required before doing so).

It seems to me that McCain may be discovering the international law of warfare, which he didn’t seem to understand during Bush’s administration.”

If that is so, then why do we need this further legislation in the first place?


103 posted on 04/18/2010 8:42:08 PM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385
Yeah, what a terrible character attribute loyalty is.

What does it say about you that you're loyal to posting and believing nonsense from the Birch society?

104 posted on 04/18/2010 8:45:00 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: TCH
I keep thinking about that DHS memorandum that was released several months ago, and those whom it classified as “possible domestic terrorist” threats. Combine that memorandum with the stipulation in this Bill that the POTUS has the final authority to determine a “belligerent’s” status, and every alarm in the house is going off.

An excellent "connect-the-dots" type of observation.

I think we will be seeing other connections of seemingly previously unrelated actions coming together.Zero and his regime telegraph their intentions to the faithful--if you know what to look for.

This is their hour,and they will not cease to attempt total control if they have the chance.

105 posted on 04/18/2010 8:45:09 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: exit82

Amen to that.


106 posted on 04/18/2010 8:48:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachman, ...)
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To: Texas Fossil

Exactly right. It is a far to powerful authorization for ANY President, even more dangerous with this crew in the White House!


107 posted on 04/18/2010 8:51:27 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TCH
every alarm in the house is going off.

Spot on. Some "heat" needs to be applied to those who sponsored. They need to "consider" the consequences. I suspect they have not adequately done so.

108 posted on 04/18/2010 8:53:59 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: All
Progressive dissemblers on this thread are trying to cover for McCain and distract from the true import of the issue by attacking the source. The actual source though happens to be ...

thomas.loc.gov

109 posted on 04/18/2010 8:58:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachman, ...)
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To: TigersEye

LOVE your tagline!


110 posted on 04/18/2010 8:59:10 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: omega4179

Fortunately, people who were silent about Bush’s attempt to deprive an American citizen, Jose Padilla, of the right to habeus corpus are finally beginning to wake up.


111 posted on 04/18/2010 9:00:57 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: reardensteel

From reading the text of the bill, anyone, within the US or outside the US, citizen or non-citizen, who is deemed to have materially supported hostile actions against the US government, can be detained indefinately.

The problem is, the President just has to say you’re an enemy belligerent, and nobody ever hears from you again.


112 posted on 04/18/2010 9:02:00 PM PDT by kamikaze2000 (You can lead a liberal to truth, but you can't make him think.)
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To: gidget7
You made me look. lol

Yep, that's probably better than my clever taglines.

113 posted on 04/18/2010 9:07:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachman, ...)
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To: Lakeshark
Yeah, what a terrible character attribute loyalty is.

Blind loyalty and misplaced loyalty are never good character attributes, are they, Lakeshark?

114 posted on 04/18/2010 9:08:28 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: SoCalPol

Why are you defending McCain and his despicable actions in this particular case?


115 posted on 04/18/2010 9:10:16 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

Geez, this guy is such a dangerous loose cannon.


116 posted on 04/18/2010 9:10:47 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: rabscuttle385
Her loyalty isn't nearly so blind as your loyalty to the tinfoil hat nonsense of the Birch Society and Ron Paul.

It's hard to fathom how dumb someone has to be to get involved with the JBS.

117 posted on 04/18/2010 9:11:46 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: omega4179

Guess he must think if he can withstand all those years in the HH all Americans can withstand it..
Let’s hope the citizens of Arizona defeat this guy. He has been in the Senate way too long as have many others of both sides of the aisle.


118 posted on 04/18/2010 9:13:41 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: AuntB

“Republicans Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Jeff Sessions of Alabama”

I wasn’t particularly stunned that McCain is pushing this, but Inhofe and Sessions??? What the ??? Are we missing something here??

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Treason is like baseball for Senators ...


119 posted on 04/18/2010 9:13:46 PM PDT by ROTB (Without a Christian revival, we are government slaves, or attacked from outside during armed revolt.)
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To: Oceander; rabscuttle

“Geez, this guy is such a dangerous loose cannon.”

Quote from the article:

“Cosponsors of the bill include Democrat/independent Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Republicans Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, David Vitter of Louisiana, George LeMieux of Florida, and Roger Wicker of Mississippi.”

And what about the other eight US Senators who are co-sponsoring the bill with McCain?


120 posted on 04/18/2010 9:14:06 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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