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Text of S. 3081: Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 (excerpts)
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| March 4, 2010
| US Senate/various
Posted on 04/20/2010 12:17:33 PM PDT by Fichori
Text of S. 3081: Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 (McCain's bill, excerpts)
SEC. 5. DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities.
SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.
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(7) HOSTILITIES- The term hostilities means any conflict subject to the laws of war, and includes a deliberate attack upon civilians and civilian targets protected by the laws of war.
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(9) UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENT- The term unprivileged enemy belligerent means an individual (other than a privileged belligerent) who--
(A) has engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners;
(B) has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or
(C) was a part of al Qaeda at the time of capture.
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Exactly what does this bill accomplish?
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:17:33 PM PDT
by
Fichori
To: Fichori
It allows the Government, the ability to detain tea party folks without formal charges, indefinately.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:26:40 PM PDT
by
724th
(If the enemy is in range, so are you.)
To: Fichori; All
JD Hayworth’s office came out 100% opposed to this bill. Go JD!!! Send that man some $$$$$$!!!
To: Fichori
S 3081 IS
111th CONGRESS
2d Session
S . 3081To provide for the interrogation and detention of enemy belligerents who commit hostile acts against the United States, to establish certain limitations on the prosecution of such belligerents for such acts, and for other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
March 4, 2010
Mr. MCCAIN (for himself, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. BROWN of Massachusetts, Mr. WICKER, Mr. CHAMBLISS, Mr. LEMIEUX, Mr. SESSIONS, and Mr. VITTER) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
A BILLTo provide for the interrogation and detention of enemy belligerents who commit hostile acts against the United States, to establish certain limitations on the prosecution of such belligerents for such acts, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010'.
SEC. 2. PLACEMENT OF SUSPECTED UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS IN MILITARY CUSTODY.
(a) Military Custody Requirement- Whenever within the United States, its territories, and possessions, or outside the territorial limits of the United States, an individual is captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism, or by other means in violation of the laws of war, or of purposely and materially supporting such hostilities, and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent, the individual shall be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status in accordance with the provisions of this Act.
(b) Reasonable Delay for Intelligence Activities- An individual who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent and who is initially captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States by an intelligence agency of the United States may be held, interrogated, or transported by the intelligence agency and placed into military custody for purposes of this Act if retained by the United States within a reasonable time after the capture or coming into the custody or effective control by the intelligence agency, giving due consideration to operational needs and requirements to avoid compromise or disclosure of an intelligence mission or intelligence sources or methods.
SEC. 3. INTERROGATION AND DETERMINATION OF STATUS OF SUSPECTED UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
(a) Establishment of Interrogation Groups-
(1) ESTABLISHMENT AUTHORIZED- The President is authorized to establish an interagency team for purposes as follows:
(A) To interrogate under subsection (b) individuals placed in military custody under section 2.
(B) To make under subsection (c)(1) a preliminary determination of the status of individuals described in section 2.
(2) COMPOSITION- Each interagency team under this subsection shall be composed of such personnel of the Executive Branch having expertise in matters relating to national security, terrorism, intelligence, interrogation, or law enforcement as the President considers appropriate. The members of any particular interagency team may vary depending on the skills most relevant to a particular case.
(A) HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE- An individual placed in military custody under section 2 shall, while subject to interrogation and determination of status under this section, be referred to as a `high-value detainee' if the individual meets the criteria for treatment as such established in the regulations required by subsection (d).
(B) HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE INTERROGATION GROUP- An interagency team established under this subsection shall be known as a `high-value detainee interrogation group'.
(1) INTERROGATIONS TO BE CONDUCTED BY HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE INTERROGATION GROUP- A high-value detainee interrogation group established under this section shall conduct the interrogations of each high-value detainee.
(2) UTILIZATION OF OTHER PERSONNEL- A high-value detainee interrogation group may utilize military and intelligence personnel, and Federal, State, and local law enforcement personnel, in conducting interrogations of a high-value detainee. The utilization of such personnel for the interrogation of a detainee shall not alter the responsibility of the interrogation group for the coordination within the Executive Branch of the interrogation of the detainee or the determination of status and disposition of the detainee under this Act.
(3) INAPPLICABILITY OF CERTAIN STATEMENT AND RIGHTS- A individual who is suspected of being an unprivileged enemy belligerent shall not, during interrogation under this subsection, be provided the statement required by Miranda v. Arizona (384 U.S. 436 (1966)) or otherwise be informed of any rights that the individual may or may not have to counsel or to remain silent consistent with Miranda v. Arizona.
(c) Determinations of Status-
(1) PRELIMINARY DETERMINATION BY HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE INTERROGATION GROUP- The high-value detainee interrogation group responsible for interrogating a high-value detainee under subsection (b) shall make a preliminary determination whether or not the detainee is an unprivileged enemy belligerent. The interrogation group shall make such determination based on the result of its interrogation of the individual and on all intelligence information available to the interrogation group. The interrogation group shall, after consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, submit such determination to the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General.
(2) FINAL DETERMINATION- As soon as possible after receipt of a preliminary determination of status with respect to a high-value detainee under paragraph (1), the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General shall jointly submit to the President and to the appropriate committees of Congress a final determination whether or not the detainee is an unprivileged enemy belligerent for purposes of this Act. In the event of a disagreement between the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General, the President shall make the final determination.
(3) DEADLINE FOR DETERMINATIONS- All actions required regarding a high-value detainee under this subsection shall, to the extent practicable, be completed not later than 48 hours after the detainee is placed in military custody under section 2.
(1) IN GENERAL- The operations and activities of high-value detainee interrogation groups under this section shall be governed by such regulations and guidance as the President shall establish for purposes of implementing this section. The regulations shall specify the officer or officers of the Executive Branch responsible for determining whether an individual placed in military custody under section 2 meets the criteria for treatment as a high-value detainee for purposes of interrogation and determination of status by a high-value interrogation group under this section.
(2) CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF INDIVIDUALS AS HIGH-VALUE DETAINEES- The regulations required by this subsection shall include criteria for designating an individual as a high-value detainee based on the following:
(A) The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
(B) The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
(C) The potential intelligence value of the individual.
(D) Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda.
(E) Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.
(3) PARAMOUNT PURPOSE OF INTERROGATIONS- The regulations required by this subsection shall provide that the paramount purpose of the interrogation of high-value detainees under this Act shall be the protection of United States civilians and United States civilian facilities through thorough and professional interrogation for intelligence purposes.
(4) SUBMITTAL TO CONGRESS- The President shall submit the regulations and guidance required by this subsection to the appropriate committees of Congress not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
SEC. 4. LIMITATION ON PROSECUTION OF ALIEN UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
(a) Limitation- No funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Department of Justice may be used to prosecute in an Article III court in the United States, or in any territory or possession of the United States, any alien who has been determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2).
(b) Applicability Pending Final Determination of Status- While a final determination on the status of an alien high-value detainee is pending under section 3(c)(2), the alien shall be treated as an unprivileged enemy belligerent for purposes of subsection (a).
SEC. 5. DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities.
SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.
(1) ACT OF TERRORISM- The term `act of terrorism' means an act of terrorism as that term is defined in section 101(16) of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 101(16)).
(2) ALIEN- The term `alien' means an individual who is not a citizen of the United States.
(3) APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS- The term `appropriate committees of Congress' means--
(A) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate; and
(B) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on Homeland Security, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives.
(4) ARTICLE III COURT- The term `Article III court' means a court of the United States established under Article III of the Constitution of the United States.
(5) COALITION PARTNER- The term `coalition partner', with respect to hostilities engaged in by the United States, means any State or armed force directly engaged along with the United States in such hostilities or providing direct operational support to the United States in connection with such hostilities.
(6) GENEVA CONVENTION RELATIVE TO THE TREATMENT OF PRISONERS OF WAR- The term `Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War' means the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3316).
(7) HOSTILITIES- The term `hostilities' means any conflict subject to the laws of war, and includes a deliberate attack upon civilians and civilian targets protected by the laws of war.
(8) PRIVILEGED BELLIGERENT- The term `privileged belligerent' means an individual belonging to one of the eight categories enumerated in Article 4 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War.
(9) UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENT- The term `unprivileged enemy belligerent' means an individual (other than a privileged belligerent) who--
(A) has engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners;
(B) has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or
(C) was a part of al Qaeda at the time of capture.
SEC. 7. EFFECTIVE DATE.
This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to individuals who are captured or otherwise come into the custody or under the effective control of the United States on or after that date.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:38:05 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: Fichori
What I just posted is the current verbage of the bill in total from Thomas. The official listing.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:39:10 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: 724th; All
SEC. 4. LIMITATION ON PROSECUTION OF ALIEN UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
(a) Limitation- No funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Department of Justice may be used to prosecute in an Article III court in the United States, or in any territory or possession of the United States, any alien who has been determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2).
WHAT?!?!
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:40:07 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
The storm troopers are coming, the storm troopers are coming!!!
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:40:43 PM PDT
by
TruthConquers
(Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
To: Texas Fossil
Thanks, nice job on the formating!
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:40:50 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
Thanks. I simply copied the html source for the bill from Thomas. This way there is no question of omission.
I share your concern about the bill and although I have strong support for 2 of the sponsors, I have VERY SERIOUS CONCERN for the verbage of the bill.
It put far too much power into the hands of the Executive. With too little control about how it is used.
I am sure the intent is not that, but the verbage in my opinion is a disaster.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:45:20 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: GodGunsGuts
McRino needs to go.
As in retire.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:45:39 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Texas Fossil
I viewed the source of the govtrack.us and it just looked like a mess!
Yes, the verbiage is worrisome.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:50:39 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
This bill is ugly, and is not needed to accomplish what is its stated goal, the military trial of terrorists.
.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:52:05 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
To: Fichori
SEC. 5. DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
An individual, including a citizen of the United States (emphasis mine), determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities.
KILL THE BILL!
To: Texas Fossil
“I am sure the intent is not that, but the verbage in my opinion is a disaster.”
.
Don’t be so sure Tex; McCain is that kind of guy! Don’t forget McCain-Feingold, and the Illegal Amnesty bill.
.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:55:00 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
To: Fichori
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:55:49 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: editor-surveyor
Yes, you are right about McCain.
But I do not feel that way about Inhofe and Sessions.
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:57:15 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: Texas Fossil
How did Inhofe and Sessions let themselves get snookered into supporting McVain’s bill?
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posted on
04/20/2010 12:59:28 PM PDT
by
tax-serf
To: Fichori
When I created the Congressional Vote Scorecard (many months ago) I used Gnumeric spreadsheet which included the links to the profile pages and created some fine HTML tables directly. I did not have to use an external app to accomplish that, the spreadsheet is in an XML format and exports directly to HTML output in 3 types.
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:00:43 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: tax-serf
How did Inhofe and Sessions let themselves get snookered into supporting McVains bill?Beats me, Inhofe and Sessions are good guys. McCain is a few bricks short and I question his motives.
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:02:06 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: Fichori
It’s good you clarified that...given the language of this hiddeous bill!
To: Texas Fossil
All I meant was that the page source didn’t have the bill’s text in a nice neat easy to copy format. (most fancy pages are like that)
They do have a handy extract feature, but I didn’t see a way to grab the whole thing.
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:05:08 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Texas Fossil
I suspect that Inhofe, and Sessions may not have had the time to read the whole bill, and are being “useful idiots” in this case.
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:05:29 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
To: Fichori; All
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:18:26 PM PDT
by
Fiddlstix
(Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
To: Fichori
When I looked at Govtrak yesterday the entire bill was not there. Just the summary.
We had several discussions about it yesterday and I went over to Thomas and excerpted the source of the HTML. That way insuring accuracy and speed.
I was able to copy the data from Govtrack on the votes on the bills and paste it directly into Gnumeric a spreadsheet. When I did that on a Windows machine which had .net support it also copied their links intact for the congressmen’s names. On my old Linux box, the links do not work when I recreate it. It is a version issue, that I intend to upgrade soon.
Lost my job about 2 months ago and the company PC with it. 105 year old company is closing and I have bid on my old PC but not yet been told if I got it. This was the 2nd time I had worked for the company (total of 20 years- 14+ years first time plus 5-1/2 years 2nd time). Started with them in January 1972, like loosing an old friend. (also worked for similar company 15 years between stints.)
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:18:59 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: Texas Fossil
Sorry about the job :(
I live in Linux, so I don’t have all the html copy/paste stuff. (but, whoa, my browser and its composer/editor does. didn’t know that)
Hehe, I learn something new every day it seems!
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:29:31 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fiddlstix
To: rabscuttle385
Ping.
And cue the McCain bootlickers. They know who they are.
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:36:01 PM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: Fichori
Thanks, it will be OK.
I have been a Linux user for over 10 years. 1st distribution was an UMSDOS version of Slackware. Have a newer linux box that I pulled the hard drive out of for a friend who lost his job several months ago. Am shopping for a replacement drive, will rebuild it and expect to be back up to speed.
Still hope to purchase my old company PC. It had a copy of Quark 6.5 that I used daily with Xdata plugin. Might find a use for it. But still waiting to see if they sell it to me for what I offered. The apps were registered to me and to the company so I am interested. I used that PC to create a 3,000 page distributor catalog and all the Promotions (some were 1,000 pages long). Also maintained the web images for the distributor from that PC. Pulled the data from an AS400 and created the print stuff in Quark.
At 62 still hold my own technically with the “Wonder Kinder”.
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:41:28 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
To: Texas Fossil
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posted on
04/20/2010 1:47:05 PM PDT
by
TruthConquers
(Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
To: Texas Fossil
I cut my teeth on Slackware 8.0, 10 years ago.
Now running Slackware 11.0 (left hand computer) and Kubuntu 8.04 (right hand computer), 8 desktops each, 3-10 windows per desktop.
And still catching up on stuff from last night, lol.
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posted on
04/20/2010 2:00:42 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
“’Wee-Weed Up’ pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?”
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That you Conan?
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posted on
04/20/2010 3:32:05 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
To: editor-surveyor
Are you referring to FReeper conan?
But no, I'd not heard the name until you mentioned it now.
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posted on
04/20/2010 3:43:25 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
What does this do?
In the hands of Obama? I shutter to think.
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posted on
04/20/2010 4:08:39 PM PDT
by
Tzimisce
(No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
To: Fichori
No, I meant Conan the Barbarian, as in the old ‘80s Swarzenegger movie.
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posted on
04/20/2010 4:29:06 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
To: Fichori
We don't need this bill. Presidents already have this power.
Remember Yaser Handi and Jose Padilla? They were US citizens.
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posted on
04/20/2010 5:07:48 PM PDT
by
walsh
To: editor-surveyor
LOL!
Never seen the movie, but I did read a review.
Nope, not him, but he seems like a likable enough chap.
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posted on
04/20/2010 5:14:52 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
...unprivileged enemy belligerent...What's that, and how do they differ from a "privileged" enemy belligerent?
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posted on
04/20/2010 5:20:48 PM PDT
by
DuncanWaring
(The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
To: DuncanWaring
See the tail end of post #4
Basically, it references the Geneva Convention and ‘the laws of war’. (whatever those are)
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posted on
04/20/2010 5:24:04 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
1) IN GENERAL- The operations and activities of high-value detainee interrogation groups under this section shall be governed by such regulations and guidance as the President shall establish for purposes of implementing this section. The regulations shall specify the officer or officers of the Executive Branch responsible for determining whether an individual placed in military custody under section 2 meets the criteria for treatment as a high-value detainee for purposes of interrogation and determination of status by a high-value interrogation group under this section.Way too much power for this president.
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posted on
04/20/2010 6:51:03 PM PDT
by
WVNan
(I hate the liberal news corpse..)
To: WVNan
A 25CC weedweater is too much power for this _resident.
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posted on
04/20/2010 6:52:51 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Fichori
I think it means that captured alien terrorists don’t get a jury trial.
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posted on
04/21/2010 12:25:54 AM PDT
by
AndrewC
To: Fichori; GodGunsGuts
Bump
This bill needs to be stopped. This why we can not have any more McCain type Rinos in the Senate or House. We can't afford to lose our liberties and freedoms just because they have an R by their name. If whoever is running can not stand on conservative principles then it is time for them to go.
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posted on
04/21/2010 2:57:54 PM PDT
by
Captain Beyond
(The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
To: Captain Beyond
Amen brother! Also, if you get a chance, please go over to Drudge with excerpt and link and ask why he’s not covering this (on his newstip box).
All the best—GGG
To: DoughtyOne; GodGunsGuts; Fichori
This bill is insidious D1. Could you add your John McCain's Whimsical World of Conservatism post for all to see why we can not afford any more Republicans like him in seats of power.
Thanks Captain Beyond
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posted on
04/21/2010 4:43:20 PM PDT
by
Captain Beyond
(The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
To: All
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posted on
04/21/2010 10:55:40 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Captain Beyond; All
Sorry so late...
John McCain's Whimsical World of Conservatism
Food for thought for the George Soros, Teressa Heinz Kerry, Tides Foundation et al wing of the Republican Party.
1958/00/00 McCain graduates from Annapolis, 894th out of a class of 898. McCain had conflicts with higher-ups, and he was disinclined to obey every rule.1958/00/00 McCain loses the first of five aircraft he will lose over the period of his career as a Naval Pilot, contributing to him becoming a reverse Ace. Poore states circa 1960. Article here states 1958. Ace McCain 1960/00/00 McCain graduates from flight training. He is required to do six arrested landings aboard the Training Aircraft Carrier, the USS Antietam, in the Gulf of Mexico to be certified. He completes two.1979/04/00 McCain meets Cindy Hensley. She is 24, he is 42. They start dating shortly thereafter. "I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening's end, I was in love." Source: Dan Norwicki and Bill Muller LINK1980/01/07 McCain officially ended cohabiting with Carol his first wife according to court documents.1980/02/19 McCain sues Carol his first wife for divorce. Ronald and Nancy Reagan are not amused and rush to Carol's aid. Ed Meese and others step in to help Carol with jobs and lodging.1980/03/06 McCain obtains marriage license to marry Cindy Hensley1980/04/02 McCain's divorce to Carol is granted (Carol does not contest this divorce, and doesn't enter into the procedings at all)1980/05/17 McCain marries Cindy Hensley1982/00/00 McCain enters Congress, with his family accepts first of nine trips some aboard Keating's leer jet, three of which include stayovers at Keating's Caribbean resort (goes unreported for up to 7 years)1983/09/28 McCain joins 26 other Republicans to vote with the Majority Party Congressional Democrats to demand U.S. Troops exit Lebanon, winds up on the losing side1986/04/00 McCain's wife Cindy and her father invest $359,100 in a Charles Keating strip mall 1987/00/00 McCain has received $112,000 by this time for Congressional and Senate campaigns, from Charles Keating, his relatives, and his employees, the largest amount to any Keating 5 member1987/04/02 McCain joins four Democrats to intercede on behalf of his S&L Owner friend Keating with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board and also banking regulators (2 meetings)1988/02/11 McCain votes to affirm Anthony Kennedy as a justice for the SCOTUS1989/00/00 McCain discloses Keating trips as his involvement in the S&L scandal breaks, reimbursing $13,433.00 with no repercussions as late as seven years after the fact1990/10/02 McCain votes to Confirm Justice David H. Souter from New Hampshire to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS Court1993/01/13 McCain and John Kerry release the Select Committee report urging the MIA issue be put to rest so that Vietnam could be granted normalized relations with the U.S., over objections by MIA family and veterans groups. Video1 Video2 ( I do not endorse all of the information presented in video1 here. The video does touch on a number of topics, and I think most are germane ) If I could have found video that contained most of this information without touching on McCain's POW experience I would have posted it instead. Still, there are parts of McCain's POW experience that are troubling. I'd just rather not go there. Video2 shows how one MIA family rep is treated, confirming some of the reports in Video1.
1993/08/10 McCain joins the Democrats and most Republicans voting to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the worst justice on the court today. Three Republicans vote Nay.
1993/10/10 McCain co-sponsors an unsuccessful bill to cut off funding of United States troops in Somalia1994/07/24 McCain joins with the Democrats to confirm nominee Stephen Breyer to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS. Nine Senators voted Nay...
1995/09/07 McCain/Feingold first start pushing for and submitting bills for Campaign Finance Reform, and although it crashes and burns a number of times, they dogedly keep reintroducing revamped legislation for that purpose Feingold
1997/00/00 McCain leads the opposition to the Coats Amendment, preventing government funded fetal tissue research ( derived from "a legal act" [abortion] ) Amendment defeated!1999/04/02 McCain advocates sending our ground troops into the Balkins.1999/08/19 McCain stated, "Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade,"2000/00/00 McCain joins Democrat Russ Feingold to introduce Campaign Finance Reform, an effort funded by George Soros Article2000/00/00 McCain was the keynote speaker at the ultra-liberal Philadelphia convention sponsored by George Soros while John F. Kerry keynoted at another Soros event on the same day...2000/11/20 McCain participates in the production of a gun control spot for Oregon's Proposition Five. (Circa this date, prior to the November election.) Article2001/00/00 McCain founded the Reform Institute funded by George Soros' Open Society Institute, Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation, several other non-profits. CapnsQtrs Malkin WND Contains information on Juan Hernandez and numerous McCain Campaign staff from 2000, that found potitions at the Reform Institute Contains information on who funded McCain's efforts on Campaign Finance Reform, Comprehansive Immigration Reform and a number of Global Warming bills listed in this timeline2001/05/15 McCain introduces the Gun Show Loophole bill S890, with Carper, Lieberman, DeWine, Clinton, and Schumer co/sponsoring. Analysis
2001/05/25 McCain defends Jeffords for switching parties and caucusing with the Democrats, saying the Republican party treated him and others unfairly, who wouldn't tow the party line. This remained true to form for McCain as he had been shooting his mouth off at the expense of the Bush administration on just about any public forum he could claw his way into since Bush had secured the White House in December of 2000. McCain was very bitter that Bush had bested him in the primaries of 2000, and he determined to take his pound of flesh from the Bush administration at every opportunity. See also Peak Maverick and other here.
2002/03/27 McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform is enacted, becomes law 2003 01 01
2003/03/18 McCain takes the floor of the Senate to speak out against Bush tax cuts.
2003/03/19 McCain joins Democrats to vote against drilling in ANWR2003/10/30 McCain joins Lieberman again, this time to introduce the Climate Stewardship Act (Gorebal worming et al) it falls short in the Senate vote on this day Thomas Bill S139 LINK2003/10/30 McCain Lieberman bill is addressed by Kit Bond2004/03/10 McCain states he would entertain an offer to be John Kerry's Vice-President, but doesn't see a realistic scenario where he would be asked. Later denies he would leave the Republican party. YouTube2004/03/18 McCain Defends John Kerry on Defense matters2004/03/30 McCain joins Lieberman again, this time to introduce another Climate Warming bill with ten Democrat and ten Repbulican cosigners.2004/04/02 McCain states, "I believe my party has gone astray, I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy, but I also feel the Republican Party can be brought back to the principles I articulated before."
2006/04/04 McCain offers anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona. Shouts of protest rose from the crowd, with some accepting McCains job offer. Ill take it! one man shouted. McCain supporting guest worker program
2004/06/04 McCain signs letter with 58 Senators, "We write to urge you (President Bush) to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research."2004/08/05 McCain announces he deplores the Swift Boat adds against Senator John Kerry, and asks the White House to refute them LINK22005/00/00 McCain resigns from the Reform Institute he founded with George Soros. His top advisors remain on the Reform Institute payroll, making big dollars.
2005/01/12 McCain introduces a bill (S1033) on the floor of the Senate, during the first session of the 109th Congress. It's co-authors are Ted Kennedy, Brownbeck, Lieberman, Graham, and Salazar. The bill among other things, initiates a study (Section 1004) on how to set up a system where U.S. health insurers can become bi-national, providing health insurance to U.S. and Mexican citizens. McCain was trying to set up a road to health care for Mexican nationals. Is this more infrastructure being 'harmonized' in the effort to establish a one hemispheric entity, the North American Union? One must ponder, Is John MeCain our Senator, a Mexican Senator ruling from our side of the border, or a representative of the United Nations assigned to relegate the United States to a nation whose citizens have absolutely no way to affect the laws they are subject to? If we're just part of the North American Union, what real sovereignty will we have? What ability will we have to demand our laws be changed, if two other nations want those laws because they favor them?
2005/01/28 McCain declares, "I want us in the ICC (International Criminal Court)", but I would like to see more safeguards first2005/05/12 McCain joins Ted Kennedy to introduce McCain/Kennedy immigration legislation that would wind up making illegal immigrants citizens2005/05/24 McCain joins 13 other Republican and Democrat Senators to form the Gang of 14, foolishly opting to preserve an undemocratic Senate rule instead of following the Constitution and historical precedent. Analysis1 Analysis2 Analysis32006/02/20 McCain addresses immigration reform ralley of mixed group including SEIU and ACORN(in support of immigration reform bill) by saying, "What makes America special is what's in this room tonight." additional video
2006/03/30 McCain makes a lengthy statement on the floor of the United States Senate, addressing immigration reform, lauding the illegal alien with sympathetic stories, insulting U.S. workers, and focusing on those who die coming across the border. He fails to call for repatriation, or national guard troops on the border. Within weeks President Bush announces he will send 6,000 nation guard troops to the border.
2006/04/28 McCain states, "I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected that has become corrupt."2006/09/06 McCain joins Dole to write op-ed for the Washington Post, states in part, "We should publicly remind Khartoum that the International Criminal Court has jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes..."2006/12/01 McCain writes letter to the incoming defense secretary Robert Gates stating Airbus Government subsidy issue "may risk eliminating competition before bids are submitted,..." The Air Force changed the criteria four days later, eliminating subsidy consideration. As of 2008/03/11, top current advisers to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign last year lobbied for a European plane maker that beat Boeing to a $35 billion Air Force tanker contract, taking sides in a bidding fight that McCain has tried to referee for more than five years. Two of the advisers gave up their lobbying work when they joined McCain's campaign. A third, former Texas Rep. Tom Loeffler, lobbied for the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. while serving as McCain's national finance chairman.2007/02/05 McCain joins Joseph Lieberman to introduce the Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act. See related energy tax analysis here 2008/01/102007/02/17 McCain states he will close Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainment center on his first day in office Video (same as date link on the left)2007/03/22 McCain gets the pledged support of Chuck and Sue Cobb, Jeb Bush's Florida Director of the Free Trade of the Americas Agreement effort2007/06/00 McCain joins Baldwin, Shays and Meehan to file an amicus brief against the Wisconsin Right to Life organization brief The wrong side of a pro-life issue, helping pro-abort Feingold2007/06/18 McCain's Gitmo problem, close the base, grant some Geneva Convention status reserved for lawful combatants, stop water boarding...2007/10/25 McCain still wants us to sign the L.O.S.T. treaty in time, but does have concerns over sovereignty issues.2007/12/17 McCain gets the Boston Globe's endorsement in the Republican Primaries2008/01/10 McCain Lieberman energy tax is addressed in National Review. Intoduced here 2007/02/05
2008/01/16 McCain's Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts Human Events touches on them all here. He's sounding like a Democrat again...
2008/01/25 McCain gets the New York Times' endorsement in the Republican Primaries2008/01/25 McCain and Hillary share a lot of political views says Bill Clinton. No comment from the McCain camp. YouTube2008/02/03 McCain gets the Los Angeles Times' endorsement in the Republican Primaries2008/03/00 McCain makes his first attempt to tell a state (North Carolina) Republican Party what to do. The RNC joins him. (North Caroline tells him to pond sand)2008/03/24 McCain hires Meg Whiteman to cochair his Presidential campaign. Whiteman is another wishy washy at best Independent, who has donated to leftist candidates and still doesn't have a clue what side to come down on with regard to illegal immigration. She is leaning toward running for Governor in California and being courted by it's Republican leadership. Links to CalCowGirl's comments regarding Whiteman's donations. Article above.2008/03/26 McCain speech to the World Affairs Council, Europe may get veto power over some of our foreign policy...2008/03/26 McCains, John and Cindy telegraph support for the independent state of Kosovo. Cliff Kincaid at AIM comments...2008/04/08 McCain casts last Senate vote during his Presidential Campaign. By the EOBD 06/30/08, he has missed 373 votes or 61.8% of the Senate votes in the 110th Congress. His has cast one vote since 03/14/08. It was on April 8th. LINK2008/05/09 McCain's interview with O'Reilly... I won't drill in ANWR... it's pretty... I'm an environmentalist. (note: there's a good chance he may have an environMental disorder)2008/05/12 McCain Joins the Goreball Worming Cult, sounding more like Al Gore every day... McCain's Oregon add Video2008/05/13 McCain takes an Environmental walk, with the leader of the Cascade Land Conservancy... (another series of fruit loop moments)
2008/05/13 McCain calls for green-house gas cuts, and criticizes the Bush administration (AGAIN), using Democrat talking points sounding just like Al Gore.
2008/05/15 McCain states he will appoint Democrats to his administration, during a Republican teleconference and during a Columbus stump speech2008/05/27 McCain announces support for severe cutbacks on our nuclear weapons, withdrawing battlefield nukes from Europe and giving our nuclear waste to an international body2008/06/04 McCain states, "I disagreed strongly with the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war in Iraq."2008/06/14 McCain tells Clinton supporters they should back him because he voted for Ginsberg and Breyer Said this to Conservatives on 2008/05/072008/06/18 McCain joins Barack Obama today in signing on to sponsor Joseph Bidens Global HIV/AIDS bill. This monstrosity would cost the U.S. in excess of $50 Billion dollars of taxpayer money S.27312008/06/21 McCain and Obama are to address open borders group in Los Angeles on July 18th, 2008, Communists and worst of U.S. Illeagal Alien appologist groups... It was announced on this date.2008/06/21 McCain and team realize he has so little credibility on judicial appointments, that they announce he will let Fred Thompson vet his judges. That's 06/21/08's version of truth...2008/06/28 McCain declares, "I will make comprehensive immigration reform my top priority, during my first 100 days in office. He assures Latino leaders that they will have an ally in the White House. As of this date, Conservatives know they won't have one.2008/07/03 McCain Allies Find Financing Loopholes, Governors' Fund Recruits Big Donors; Bid to Catch Obama LINK Another do as I say, not as I do moment. Well, a long series of moments over time would be more like it.2008/07/16 McCain and Obama's cosponsored (Joe Biden Originated) Global HIV/AIDS bill passes the Senate in a vote of 80 to 16. It now has to go back to the House for reconsiliation. Bush actively lobbied for this $50 billion dollar monstrosity. S.2731
2008/08/25 McCain offers $50 dollars an hour to Americans who will pick lettuce. Audience members immediately raise their hands, and McCain gets snippy. He says, "You must work all season, and you can't do it!", insulting the American workers. Mark Levin covers it on his show. LINK
2008/10/10 McCain states Obama is a decent person and you don't need to be scared of him being president. Video1 Tells folks to be respectful of Obama. He respects Okama and his accomplishments. Video2
2008/11/20 McCain supports Barack Obama's pick of Gov. Janet Napolitano as director of homeland security
2009/04/28 McCain states he could understand why Spector would change parties, being behind in the primary race. What does this bode for McCain in 2010? If he's understands so well, is he willing to switch parties?
2009/07/01 McCain's camp gets skewered by Tammy Bruce in her commentary titled, "McCain's Camp Praises Sanford and Trashes Palin?"
2009/07/12 McCain plans to lead an effort to reverse the decision in committee that would add $1.7 billion for 12 additional F-22s next year.
2009/07/13 McCain, in an unusual alliance with the Obama administration, moved Monday to eliminate $1.75 billion recently inserted into the proposed 2010 defense budget for more (F22) fighter jets from Lockheed Martin.
2009/07/14 McCain backs Obama on F-22 cuts, but advocates vow fight
2009/07/21 McCain gives credit to President Obama for standing firm, on cutting F22 funding
2009/09/24 McCain Palin break on F-22 cuts
2009/10/21 McCain says, I havent looked at him that carefully because I havent been around, regarding Arpaios well-publicized exploits in the Phoenix area, when asked what he thought of him. However McCain had known enough about Arpaio around 2004 to back Mesa police Cmdr. Dan Saban over him.
2009/10/25 McCain defends Obama against Cheney's comments on his Afghanistan dithering, calls for unity with president
2009/11/18 McCain defends campaign staff against Palin
2009/12/02 McCain criticizes Obama for proposal to cut Medicare to fund health care, but fourteen months ago... this.
2009/12/06 McCain defends Palin while referring to her as irrelevent, then lauds her work
2010/01/10 McCain Strategist Schmidt trashes Palin, says McCain had planned to name Lieberman as his VP choice in 2008
2010/01/20 McCain coopts Palin for his own purposes.
2010/01/21 McCain and Brown meet, McCain's office... coopting alert
2010/01/21 McCain/Feingold Finance Reform takes big hit from SCOTUS, as Conservatives had first predicted Malkin
2010/01/22 McCain coopts Brown for his own purposes. Conservatives: Beware of McCain Regression Syndrome
2010/01/23 McCain's PAC supports California's former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina for U. S. Senate, likes Jessie Jackson and gender politics.
2010/01/26 McCain, U.S. Supreme Court overturns bulk of McCain/Feingold Act (Part 1) (Part 2) (Part 3)
2010/01/26 McCain, Bayh team up on spending freeze bill to back Obama, and to grant him line item veto.
2010/02/03 McCain introduces the Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010. Bill S3002. The U.S. Government and the pharmaceutical industry have been trying for decades to clamp down on dietary supplements, to protect people from God knows what, to reduce competition with their medications, and also to gain market share in this arena.
2010/03/24 McCain joins other Senators to form a caucus on Global Internet Freedom. While sounding rather benign, McCain's past inability to see things clearly, causes concern regarding any effort he decides to become a part of, especially if it's as important as a tool of freedom of speech. One can only wonder if this will come back to haunt us like so many other things he's become involved in have.
2010/03/25 McCain calls for civility in debate over the Health Care bill, echos Democrats call for peace. RNC head Steele refuses to buy in.
2010/03/26 McCain is taken to task by Andrew C. McCarthy in a commentary titled, "the Mark of McCain". It seems McCain offered (and Graham was involved too) an amendment that had terrible ramifications, in all likelihood leading to the release of Mohamedou Slahi, one of the 9/11 plotters. Read the detailed summary at the link.
2010/03/26 McCain, even the L.A. Times has his number. They herald his movement to the right (during re-election bid). They also touch on how McCain coopted (my term, not theirs) Palin and Brown for his benefit.
2010/03/26 McCain appears with Palin on FoxNews' "On the Record", with Greta Van Susteren. Among other things, Palin states, "I support his position on immigration." 2010/03/27 McCain calls in his favors from Palin, and she spends the day lavishing praise on him at appearances.
2010/04/12 McCain's "FRIENDS" place this video on YouTube, making fun of Republican concerns on a number of issues, utilizing juvenile tactics to smear J.D. Hayworth. The attacks come off precisely the way a Democrat attack would on each issue. I'm sure the Democrats will appreciate this when they face Hayworth after he wins the primary.
2010/04/14 McCain gets testy, "Agitated McCain: Don't call me a maverick" saying he never thought of himself as a 'Maverick'. Strangely the last few days are the first times he has objected to the title. His face used to light up with an ear to ear grin when they began labeling him as one eight to ten years ago. He was the darling of the leftist Talking Head shows for nearly a decade for this reason alone. He was willing to carp at the expense of his own party and fellow members, buttressing the leftist paradigm. More links (1) (2) (3) See also: Peak Maverick this LINK, explaining in part why McCain was first called a Maverick. It started in 2001, and McCain reveled in it.
2010/04/14 McCain is described by former Congessman Tom Tancredo as "a squish", "a liberal Republican". Harsh comments at link, explaining what McCain would have been like if elected president.
2010/04/16 McCain, a search of his big donors in 2008, reveals some interesting figures. Mr. Campaign Finance Reform himself, always a big mouth about how much money floats around Washington, D.C. corrupting other politicians, and himself pushing through un-Constitutional legislation to limit such donations, had a sure fire method to make sure he got his. Speaking of crooked, I can only wonder, was he speaking from experience?
v 2010/04/16
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posted on
04/22/2010 8:30:03 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
To: DoughtyOne
Thanks D1 for helping to expose why we can’t afford anymore RINOS. Great job btw for putting all that together.
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posted on
04/22/2010 9:49:31 PM PDT
by
Captain Beyond
(The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
To: DoughtyOne
Wow, impressive!
Thanks for posting!
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posted on
04/22/2010 10:41:45 PM PDT
by
Fichori
('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
To: Captain Beyond
Thank you. I appreciate your comments.
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posted on
04/23/2010 8:17:27 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
To: Fichori
Thank you. I appreciate it.
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posted on
04/23/2010 8:19:19 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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