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US Catholic church attacks 'draconian' Arizona law
AFP ^ | April 28,2010 | (AFP)

Posted on 04/28/2010 4:29:56 PM PDT by NoLibZone

The US Catholic church on Tuesday condemned Arizona's "draconian" new immigration law, saying it would alienate immigrant communities across the United States.

"This new law, although limited to the State of Arizona, could have impact throughout the nation in terms of how members of our immigrant communities are both perceived and treated," Bishop John Wester said in a statement issued on behalf of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB).

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; illegals; immigration; sb1070
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1 posted on 04/28/2010 4:29:56 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

They can kiss my A$$, and I’m a Catholic...


2 posted on 04/28/2010 4:31:15 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene

If I wanna to see the Pope, I gotta show my papers to the Swizz Guards.


3 posted on 04/28/2010 4:34:33 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: NoLibZone

It’s because of lunatic positions such as this one that I a “lapsed” Catholic. The Church saw the last of my support a few years ago, and likely won’t ever see it again.


4 posted on 04/28/2010 4:36:08 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: babygene

I am also. The only reason the church is doing this is because a good deal of their donations come from the Hispanic community. If they didn’t come out on their side, they would loose that money.


5 posted on 04/28/2010 4:36:10 PM PDT by RC2
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To: babygene

How dare you.

It should be, “they can kiss my royal ass and I’m a Catholic”


6 posted on 04/28/2010 4:36:32 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: NoLibZone
The US Catholic church on Tuesday condemned Arizona's "draconian" new immigration law, saying it would alienate immigrant communities across the United States.

Alienate people? Since when has the Catholic Church or any real church worried about that? If they were worried about popularity they wouldn't ban birth control. They do the things they do based on principles and not based on what people think about the Church. That's how a real church works.

7 posted on 04/28/2010 4:37:50 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: NoLibZone

The Vatican needs to tell their American brethren to stay out of this.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 4:38:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: NoLibZone
Related threads:
Pope Benedict urges bishops to work for recognition of immigrant rights
Arizona's Proposed Illegal Immigration Crackdown Akin To Nazi Tactics, Cardinal Roger Mahony Says
Hispanics increasing Catholic numbers in US, but assimilation has downside
Fewer receive sacraments
Does the American Catholic Church Have a Numbers Problem?
US Catholic bishops condemn US immigration raids
Gathering calls for 'fair and humane' immigration policies [Catholic Bishops on immigration reform]
Journey to Justice: A Catholic Vision of Immigration
Catholic Church Chooses Wrong Side Again
Survey: Catholics Adapt to Culture at Cost of Committed Faith [Blacks 1/7 of the population, but only 1/25 of the Catholic Church]
GOP Senator: Immigration Bill's Fate Hangs in the Balance [SBC, Catholic Church support the bill]
Recognize Christ in every immigrant, bishop urges U.S. Catholics
Local Catholics celebrate diversity [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Apple Valley, CA]
Putting faith in search for rights [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Chicago, IL]
Praying for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Los Angeles, CA]
Irish, Latino Catholics march for immigrant rights [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in San Francisco]
Catholics push for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Raleigh, NC]
Withholding their 'amens' [Catholics object to a call for a revised immigration policy at Lent]

9 posted on 04/28/2010 4:39:36 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: babygene
They can kiss my A$$, and I’m a Catholic...

Ditto!

10 posted on 04/28/2010 4:40:07 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: NoLibZone
Would the CC like a world without borders and without laws protecting said borders?

Does it deliberately continue to promote statist policies throughout the world to drive more and more people to hopelessness, and thus, back to the Church?

11 posted on 04/28/2010 4:40:10 PM PDT by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: plain talk
Alienate people? Since when has the Catholic Church or any real church worried about that? If they were worried about popularity they wouldn't ban birth control. They do the things they do based on principles and not based on what people think about the Church. That's how a real church works.

Thou shalt NOT steal still stands, I don't care what any so called flesh being claims. These people advocate theft.

12 posted on 04/28/2010 4:40:42 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: NoLibZone
I thought ‘draconian’ was being forced to listen to another Obama speech.
13 posted on 04/28/2010 4:42:07 PM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: NoLibZone

These bishops need to worry about other things


14 posted on 04/28/2010 4:42:53 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: RC2

You’d be surprised how little money they give to the Catholic Church. They send most of it back to Mexico. In any large diocese in the U.S. where there is a sizable Hispanic community, the churches are generally subsidized by the Anglo-member Churches outside the barrio. As to how the money collected is divided up, you’ll never find out and I guarantee you won’t get any priest to admit it either.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 4:43:18 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: NoLibZone

I guess the Catholic church thinks this new law is going to cut down on the pool of boys being available to select from.


16 posted on 04/28/2010 4:43:26 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: NoLibZone

Not sure what happens to Bishops once they put on the mitre.

Maybe its something in the beanie they give’m.

Reminds me of the scene in “High Plain’s Drifter”:

Clint: “So, all these pilgrims here are your brothers and sisters?”

Priest: “They most certainly are!”

Clint: “Well then, I guess you won’t mind if they stay at your house tonight.”


17 posted on 04/28/2010 4:43:56 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: NoLibZone
Well, in the first place, if you read the article, you'll find that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has not met and discussed this issue.

"It certainly would lead to the rise in fear and distrust in immigrant communities," Wester, who chairs the USCCB migration committee, said.

In other words he is speaking for himself, as head of the migration committee, not for the bishops.

In the second place, this is not a matter of faith and morals, but of prudential judgment. And, frankly, he's got it wrong.

I, too, am a Catholic. But I don't let this kind of stuff bother me or, God forbid, drive me away from God. This turkey was probably made chair of the migration committee for a good (meaning bad) reason--because it's his academic specialty, or because he's a flaming PC race monger, or the like.

Yes, you have to feel sorry for the poor and afflicted of the world. But that doesn't mean they have a right to break the law. There's plenty of wealth and resources right down in Mexico, if they just get their act together. Meantime, it's not helping anyone to put them on welfare, break all the laws, and bankrupt America.

18 posted on 04/28/2010 4:44:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NoLibZone

The bottom line is what this is about! The VAST majority in ILLEGALS in this country are Catholic. “The Church” is doesn’t want to lose bodies and donations!


19 posted on 04/28/2010 4:44:54 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: DEADROCK

“Would the CC like a world without borders and without laws protecting said borders?”

Maybe they are trying to restore the church back when they were the law.


20 posted on 04/28/2010 4:48:00 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: NoLibZone; MarkBsnr

This is the kind of loopy thinking that monolithic giant foists on you, Mark. Now you have to submit and acknowledge that it is wiser, more godly, better informed about God’s will than you. This is the submission demanded from Rome.

Thinking believers say, “Tell Rome to shove it where the relic don’t shine.” But, you my FRiend are stuck. Remember, even your tag line. They pronounce, you obey.

Unbelievable. If you were to live here in AZ and see the trouble illegals cause, you would be astounded that Rome would collude with La Raza and Reconquista. This persuades me all the more...Catholicism is a screwed up cult.


21 posted on 04/28/2010 4:50:59 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: RC2

We do the ACA for our bishop. There is very little money that comes from the Mexicans.


22 posted on 04/28/2010 4:51:35 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: NoLibZone

“The law signed by Arizona’s Republican Governor Jan Brewer on Friday allows police in the southwestern state that shares a border with Mexico to question and detain anyone they believe may be an illegal immigrant, even if they are not suspected of committing another crime.”

Yet another lie being perpetuated by the media, this time by AFP.

If indeed this is the official position of the USCCB, then I must assume they are in favor of open borders. I then wonder, if the USCCB is so unconcerned about rules and laws, would they also not care if I, as a practicing Catholic, treated the rules of the Church in the same way?


23 posted on 04/28/2010 4:52:14 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: RC2
The only reason the church is doing this is because a good deal of their donations come from the Hispanic community.

An urban legend perpetuated by the ignorant. Most illegals don't attend Church and those that do don't contribute much, if anything, to the collection.

24 posted on 04/28/2010 4:52:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NoLibZone

Caesar=Caesar...God=God!


25 posted on 04/28/2010 4:56:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Those navel gazing buffoons at the USCCB need to brush up on the Catechism. It's prudential statements like these that cause most of the laity to ignore those clowns.

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.


26 posted on 04/28/2010 4:58:00 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: WellyP

BS


27 posted on 04/28/2010 5:00:06 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: babygene

Illegal aliens voluntarily — ILLEGALLY — come into our country.

Fetuses — or babies — don’t voluntarily come into this world.

One is innocent, the other is not.

Can’t the bishops see the difference?


28 posted on 04/28/2010 5:01:26 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Dutchboy88
Go do some penance.

Pray that God forgets about your ignorance.

"The sins of my youth and my ignorances do not remember. According to thy mercy remember thou me: for thy goodness' sake, O Lord." Psalm 24:7

29 posted on 04/28/2010 5:06:11 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NoLibZone

Like Rush has always said, “Follow the money”.


30 posted on 04/28/2010 5:07:07 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

If you want to see Mexicans donating money go to a Western Union.


31 posted on 04/28/2010 5:07:27 PM PDT by timeflies
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To: Cicero
Bishop John Wester said in a statement issued on behalf of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB).
32 posted on 04/28/2010 5:09:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Arizona is now ground zero for the fight to save this nation.)
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To: RC2

Exactly. My uncle is a priest and he’s told me that the hispanic community is singlehandedly keeping the church afloat in this country. Many congregations are nearly 100% hispanic now especially in AZ, FL, CA, and TX.


33 posted on 04/28/2010 5:09:39 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You may wish to read your Bible and recognize the demonic cult you have signed up for.


34 posted on 04/28/2010 5:12:37 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Thanks for the ping.

This is the kind of loopy thinking that monolithic giant foists on you, Mark. Now you have to submit and acknowledge that it is wiser, more godly, better informed about God’s will than you. This is the submission demanded from Rome. Thinking believers say, “Tell Rome to shove it where the relic don’t shine.” But, you my FRiend are stuck. Remember, even your tag line. They pronounce, you obey.

My tagline is from one of THEM - St. Augustine. But this is not Rome. And Rome is doing something about cleaning out the Augean Stables - which the USCCB has turned into.

Unbelievable. If you were to live here in AZ and see the trouble illegals cause, you would be astounded that Rome would collude with La Raza and Reconquista.

Rome isn't. The USCCB is. And they are gradually being replaced to the point where they won't any longer. We are recovering from the guano from the aftereffects of Vatican II. This is part of it, and we apologize that the world has to see this.

This persuades me all the more...Catholicism is a screwed up cult.

And I'm not sure if you understand how much this affects me that you would look at this and reach that conclusion with a definite level of justification.

35 posted on 04/28/2010 5:15:28 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NoLibZone

Screw the US Catholic church. If they want to support mexico, let them do it on their own dime—IN Mexico.


36 posted on 04/28/2010 5:16:35 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: NoLibZone

“DRACONIAN”???!!!

Do you even know what that word means, Your Flatulence?


37 posted on 04/28/2010 5:16:52 PM PDT by Walrus (My congressman is toast in 2010 --- how about yours?)
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To: NoLibZone

The Democrat Party cannot survive without more Catholic voters.


38 posted on 04/28/2010 5:17:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: NoLibZone

“On behalf”? Whose wording is that? The Conference of Catholic Bishops, which has not met on this issue, or Bishop Wester, or maybe just Agence France Presse?


39 posted on 04/28/2010 5:17:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: babygene

As a Catholic, I say these Bishops do not represent me. The USCCB does not represent lay Catholics in the US and has not for many years. This organization is controlled by a bunch of left wing Bishops who have failed to stand up to any of the Catholic US politicians who actively support abortion. Further, this organization failed to speak out against Obama during the election campaign. In fact, I suspect the majority of them actually voted for the abortion-loving Obama.

I say to Catholics everywhere, vote with your wallet. Stop contributing to every one of the annual Bishop fund raising campaigns in your diocese.


40 posted on 04/28/2010 5:17:44 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: NoLibZone
"This new law, although limited to the State of Arizona, could have impact throughout the nation in terms of how members of our immigrant communities are both perceived and treated," Bishop John Wester said in a statement issued on behalf of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB).

Does the Bishop know the difference between a lawful citizen and an illegal immigrant?

I truly do not understand why the Bishops are so judgmental and quick to condemn law abiding citizens. It is true that many Hispanics are honest and hard-working, and just want to enjoy the benefits of US citizenship. But, by jumping the line did they not displace others who wait? How do the bishops explain this? Jesus was not subject to the law of Moses, yet to teach obedience, he submitted to the laws. What example are the bishops giving to us by encouraging otherwise? It is confusing and counter-productive IMO.

41 posted on 04/28/2010 5:17:58 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Dutchboy88

As often as you willingly demonstrate your ignorance of Scripture you have no business telling anyone else to read the Bible.


42 posted on 04/28/2010 5:18:23 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NoLibZone

Pedophile priests want Mexican boys to fill the pews.


43 posted on 04/28/2010 5:19:46 PM PDT by Freds2nd
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I thank you very much for posting the catetechical position of the Roman Church; I put it up on Yahoo News web site where this article appears.

Even as an Excommunicant (consciously and voluntarily), I'm always -- very unpleasantly -- surprised how frequently the ravings of the USCCB (Bishops and subcomittees putatively speaking on its behalf) are taken as an opportunity for anticatholic bigotry on FR. The USCCB doesn't refect the political philosophy of observant Catholics. Had the country at large voted the way devout Catholics did in 2008, we would not now have the president we have.

FReepers should know their FRiends. Thanks again.

44 posted on 04/28/2010 5:29:13 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.")
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Dutchboy88

what about hebrews 13:17?


45 posted on 04/28/2010 5:29:42 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: CdMGuy

>>Stop contributing to every one of the annual Bishop fund raising campaigns in your diocese.<<

In our Diocese if the church doesn’t make it’s donation, it is taken from our coffers anyway.


46 posted on 04/28/2010 5:30:22 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: FredZarguna

You, my FRiend are a very wise person.


47 posted on 04/28/2010 5:31:15 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Cicero

John C. Wester of Salt Lake City,is the chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee on Migration.


48 posted on 04/28/2010 5:31:19 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Arizona is now ground zero for the fight to save this nation.)
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To: NoLibZone

Judging by earlier reports, they hadn’t read the bill. It’s embarrassing.


49 posted on 04/28/2010 5:32:31 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: NoLibZone

As I pointed out in my earlier post.


50 posted on 04/28/2010 5:33:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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