Skip to comments.Carbs against Cardio: More Evidence that Refined Carbohydrates, not Fats, Threaten the Heart
Posted on 04/29/2010 3:05:37 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater
Eat less saturated fat: that has been the take-home message from the U.S. government for the past 30 years. But while Americans have dutifully reduced the percentage of daily calories from saturated fat since 1970, the obesity rate during that time has more than doubled, diabetes has tripled, and heart disease is still the countrys biggest killer. Now a spate of new research, including a meta-analysis of nearly two dozen studies, suggests a reason why: investigators may have picked the wrong culprit. Processed carbohydrates, which many Americans eat today in place of fat, may increase the risk of obesity, diabetes and heart disease more than fat doesa finding that has serious implications for new dietary guidelines expected this year.
(Excerpt) Read more at scientificamerican.com ...
...The analysis, overseen by Ronald M. Krauss, director of atherosclerosis research at the Childrens Hospital Oakland Research Institute, found no association between the amount of saturated fat consumed and the risk of heart disease.
The finding joins other conclusions of the past few years that run counter to the conventional wisdom that saturated fat is bad for the heart because it increases total cholesterol levels. That idea is based in large measure on extrapolations, which are not supported by the data, Krauss says.
...Although saturated fat boosts blood levels of bad LDL cholesterol, it also increases good HDL cholesterol. In 2008 Stampfer co-authored a study in the New England Journal of Medicine that followed 322 moderately obese individuals for two years as they adopted one of three diets: a low-fat, calorie-restricted diet based on American Heart Association guidelines; a Mediterranean, restricted-calorie diet rich in vegetables and low in red meat; and a low-carbohydrate, nonrestricted-calorie diet. Although the subjects on the low-carb diet ate the most saturated fat, they ended up with the healthiest ratio of HDL to LDL cholesterol and lost twice as much weight as their low-fat-eating counterparts.
Stampfers findings do not merely suggest that saturated fats are not so bad; they indicate that carbohydrates could be worse.
..-What is more, some high-fiber carbohydrates are unquestionably good for the body. But saturated fats may ultimately be neutral compared with processed carbs and sugars such as those found in cereals, breads, pasta and cookies.
If you reduce saturated fat and replace it with high glycemic-index carbohydrates, you may not only not get benefitsyou might actually produce harm, Ludwig argues. The next time you eat a piece of buttered toast, he says, consider that butter is actually the more healthful component.
Here is something related you might find fascinating and educational as well...
20:30 fructose is a poison
23:00 this is a disaster. ... fat intake is going down, sugar is going up, and we're all getting sicker...
The perfect storm, from three political winds:
- Richard Nixon...
- High fructose corn syrup (Japan's revenge for world war two)...
- We were told to reduce dietary fat
"Pure, White and deadly" by the late John Yudkin, 1972 "He was a pure prophet, and 100% accurate"
Faulty Ancel Keyes nutrition study is debunked.
39:00 Fats cause harmless large bouyant LDL
Carbohydrates cause deadly small dense LDL
Sugar 'browning' is exactly like athersclerosis
Fructose does not suppress the hunger hormone so people eat more
How about the Federal Government STFU about what we can or cannot EAT!!! FedGov gonna kill us all if they don’t SHUT UP and LEAVE US ALONE!!!!
Alot of people have been saying this for decades... As for Fructose, yeah, its not so great, and plain old SUGAR has it in spades as well....
Bump for later.
The ghost of Atkins rides again...
Low carb diet ping
I’m enjoying this thread while eating mixed refined sugar and congealed bacon grease out of a coffee can with a spoon, and washing it down with a beer stein full of crappy whiskey.
Fark ‘em. I’ve had enough.
Bad carbs need to be eliminated- grains, sugars, etc... & fungus is linked to many ailments.
Ping to 1 and 3,
Dr. Lustig also said we are getting an epidemic now of 6 MONTH old’s with type 2 diabetes!
Not to worry. A new study will be out shortly saying CO2 makes you fat. Researchers gotta eat too ya know.
If you have a low carb diet ping list please add me. Thanks.
I cannot speak to research, as I don’t do that for a living, but I can speak to personal experience.
I wanted to drop weight several years ago. I read the atkins book and decided to give it a try for myself. I went to the doctor and had my blood cholesterol readings done. My total cholesterol was close to 300 and my triglycerides were 372. The doc wanted to put me on meds. I asked him to wait 8 weeks and let me try diet to correct. He recommended low fat high fiber. I told him I was going to do the atkins diet. He was adamantly against it. I followed the diet to the LETTER. And better yet, I decided I was going to eat the highest fat foods possible (eggs and sausage every morning for 8 weeks, ground beef for lunch, and fatty steaks, chops etc. for dinner), to really test the diet and put this to bed once and for all for myself. I always had either one salad a day (2-3 cups worth) with straight oil and vinegar for dressing, or at least a cup of green veggies.
When I returned to the doctor in 8 weeks, he looked at my blood panel and asked what med he had put me on. I told him none, I went on a diet. He said excellent work as all my numbers were NORMAL. (tryglycirides dropped almost 300 points in 8 weeks, hdl up, ldl way down, total chol. was 202. When he remembered it was atkins, he was blown away.
Next time I saw him, he dropped at least 50 lbs. When I commented how great he looked, he said it was thanks to me. He went on atkins and replicated my results for himself. He now puts all his patients on it. It does work, and it is not hard to do. One must understand that you can have pretty much a great lifestyle on atkins for weight maintenance. It is basically all carbs, but one must not have them every day, and you should not ever eat anything with refined sugar or frutcose anyway, its just bad for your body. That being said, when on the maintainence program, you can have it on occasion, you just save up your carbs for that day and apply them all to your special treat, or cut back the next day or two. Weigh yourself every week, and if you find you have gained 5 lbs , you immediately go back to phase one and lose it, don’t let it become 10 lbs. Other than that, pasta, bread, rice, potatoes can become a part of your diet, just no more than once or twice a week.
Highly recommend Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, an Encyclopedic presentation of the history of the science of obesity. Gives the who, what, where, when and why of how the dietary fat hypothesis gained ascendancy and has been so resistant to the contrary evidence.
Brilliant lecture available on the internets.
125 lbs. later, I can absolutely attest to the evils of refined carbohydrates! I was nearing 400 lbs. in college. I went back down to my “normal” weight of 330 after moving back home, but I was miserable. After an anxiety attack at work brought me to the brink, I endeavored to get back in shape.
I was at a plateau around 300 lbs, and a buddy of mine recently shed a lot of weight. His method: no carbs. I was still swilling beer and eating garbage thinking that the exercise would balance it out, but once I got rid of all of that and the rest of the carbohydrate crew, my weight plummeted! I shed 70 lbs. in a couple of months, and I’ve never looked back.
Although I eat fruits and certain starches, my weight is entirely manageable, and the nice thing now is that the tiniest amount of sugar makes me sick. Sugars and sugary byproducts light up the brain like a cocaine addict. Once we get past the withdrawal from sugar, fats and proteins taste so much better and are really great for you.
I’m trying to get my fiancee to see the light, but she’s convinced she can do it with sugars. I suppose only time will tell.
Can anyone post the image of the book here? I’m having no luck.
I lost 100 lbs by eliminating bad carbs. Good carbs have to be eaten at the right times. I do not eat any carbs after 7 pm. Carbs have to be burned off. Fats are good for you in moderation . Avocado olives etc. Even some cheese. I have kept it off for 6 years. Even fruits at night are a no no. The sugar has to be burned. It is all about timing. Period. The golden rule is Burn more than you take in. It is that simple.
Give it up, people, and enjoy the day. No matter how hard we try, we’re still all gonna die of something.
great job! I guess some people lose weight on all different kinds of diets, but are they getting healthy is the question. I, for one, do NOT have the willpower to eat such small portions and bland food (no butter on rice, no cream sauce on pasta) to keep everything so low that I won’t gain weight on refined carbs. I am also a big meat lover and I love my lobster dipped in butter, my steak loaded with marbled fat, real butter, cream, and eggs and bacon. This lifestyle fits me to a tee, and you are right about eating any sugar. Its like eating poison after you have been off it for a while, so you don’t even crave it. I do indulge in ice cream on occasion, but usually something without sugar, as well as the sugar free chocolates available. They have one that tastes just like butterfingers and thin mints, so I am set LOL. On a couple of occasions, I have eaten my hubbys chocolate chip cookies as well (he makes THE BEST) but more and more, I feel like crap after only 2 or 3. I used to be able to eat 10 or 12. I have not had one in a really long time. They just don’t taste like I remember when I was eating sugar often......
You’re on the same page as me. Carbohydrates are the quickest bioavailable nutrient. We burn through them quick, but most of us take in so much that we can’t burn it all. It’s also the most likely to be stored, so if we don’t burn it, it goes into fat stores.
If we cut out carbs altogether, our body runs out of quick-burning fuel and starts on the fats (keitosis). It’s really amazing how quick fat sheds when it’s the primary energy source. Knowing that I can eat any meats or animal foods I want is a huge help, and my cholesterol has been lower than ever in my life with the lack of carbs. People look at me funny when I tell them that my total cholesterol is around 120 and then see me shovel a lobster tail dripping with butter into my craw. I love it!
There was an article recently about a test to determine how your body consumes calories. A majority of folks benefit from a diet low in carbohydrates, while others see losses from low fat diets. The ones who are really screwed are those that have to stay away from both. I can’t imagine eating proteins all day all of the time. It would just get boring, esp. without butter!
I’ve reintroduced natural sugars like fruits and honey, but I only eat them before I exercise so they burn off quick. They’re great for a quick burst if you use them to your advantage. Think of sugars like nitrous oxide in a race car: it’s great for a quick burst of speed, but if you use it too much, you wind up destroying the engine.
I also agree about the bad vs good carbs. Any carbs from fiber do not count against your total carbs on atkins, as they do not affect your blood sugar. I eat a large variety of nuts, seeds, berries, and citrus fruit in my diet, as well as salads, green veggies and occasionally corn and peas (not my 2 favorites, but I do love a buttery ear of corn next to my steak in the summer). Follow that up with a bowl of chocolate ice cream with a few fresh strawberries from the garden and thats what I call DINNER!
Thanks for all the info.
I went to the Doctors about a month ago, and found that my triglyceride level was 564 - much higher than it should be. I am now on Lovaza (and, at $160 a bottle, I’m desperately looking for alternatives.)
My biggest weaknesses are meats, pastas and breads. I am still struggling to stay away from them, but when you’ve eaten them almost daily for 30 years, it’s hard to just quit :(
I have had great success with Atkins. I have health issues which necessitated me taking large quantities of steroids for an extended period of time. This does nasty things to lipids, etc. and now have Type 2. Atkins is how I am able to control blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. I had triglycerides in the 900 range, I think they were around 155 last time I had them checked.
since excercise is not my friend, I hardly ever have the need for a quick burn, LOL. Yesterday would have been good to have some as I planted my mothers day flowers and tore up a couple gardens ( can’t hardly move today LOL) but on average, gardening is my only exercise. I do on occasion make use of raw honey, but medicinally, not for sweetening (when I am sick, which seems like never anymore) or if I burn myself I apply honey to the burn.
The body is a bit more complex than they realized, fats have an impact on the SIZE of cholesterol, you can actually have high cholesterol but if it's the right size you're ok. But generally speaking, yes, the carbs are going to get you and re-size your internal cholesterol.
my pleasure. The atkins diet does work, and the beginning, or corrective phase, is very carb depleted. But the rebalancing of your broken body requires it. Get the book, read it, and see what you think. It does make sense. It will be as big a struggle as quitting smoking for the first week or 2, while you kick your sugar addiction. There is solace in knowing it WILL get easier and better after that if you stick to it to the letter. You can, and are encouraged to eat as much as you want whenever you want during that first two weeks of what is allowed, while you are overcoming the addiction to sugar. What most folks don’t know, is that after 48 hours of no carbs besides the salad or veggies you are allowed to have during this phase, your system switches from burning carbs for energy to fat, and in so doing, it switches off your hunger so dramatically, that you actually have to remind yourself to eat! After the first 2 days, I was eating 1 egg and 2 pieces of sausage for breakfast, a turkey or red meat hamburger with cheese, lettuce, tomato and mayo on a plate for lunch and a 6 oz or so piece of meat and a cup or 2 of salad for dinner, and maybe a handful of nuts or 10 or so pork rinds for a snack, and sometimes I couldn’t even eat that much. Try it for 8 weeks and see if your numbers don’t plumment. I have yet to meet anyones who haven’t, especially without the meds. Good luck!
PS. I also lost 25 lbs during the first 2 week period, and steadily lost a couple pounds a week thereafter.....
awe-some! I hope all your health issues are under control, and atkins is the safest way to do this. I wish I could get my MIL to follow it. She has to take insulin for her sugar cause she just won’t follow the diet. Every time she comes down to visit, she checks all of our blood sugars. Mine is always around 89. Hers, always around 120-160. I always tell her, kick the refined carbs and hers will be normal too. She says its too hard and she doesn’t want to, but she always laments how she wants my blood sugar levels. Sigh.
Only time I eat “bad” carbs is first thing in the morning or after a work out when your blood sugar level is low. To jumpstart or replenish. Carbs are necessary as they provide energy. Protein builds muscle. Muscle burns fat.
make that carb not card
I was on my own variant of a low carb diet for years. Lost not only weight but an arthritis-like condition of my joints.
The post-workout carb routine is alright, but you need to be careful. Your body only has a limited post-workout burn rate, and if you take in more than the total burn will consume, you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
I make a post-workout protein shake with 1 C 2% milk, 1 banana, 2 scoops of protein powder, 2 tbsp of natural peanut butter, and 1 tbsp of psyllium husk. The milk has enough lactose (sugar) to replenish, the banana has sugar and potassium, the protein rebuilds muscle, the PB provides bioavailable protein and fat, and the psyllium husk helps to fill your belly with fiber, wiping out hunger pangs for a while.
“Well, we’ll let this study slide for now because we are concentrating on sugar, but when all is said and done we will tax and regulate fat too...we can’t help it - it’s how we operate”
“Have a nice day”
Here is a definitive book on the subject,
“Put Your Heart in Your Mouth” by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride.
I have a friend who is all corked up, who avoids butter and red meat, but loads up on pasta every day. I call the pasta he eats a heart attack on a plate. He doesn’t get it.
You know it just goes to show you Jane, if it's not one thing, it's another.
I had the same experience about 9 years ago. I had blood work done just before I went on Atkins, and again after 3 months. My cholestorol and Tri's have never been high... Total Chol before I started was 172. After 3 months, it was 148. Triglyc dropped from 95 to 50.
I remember, I lost 20 pounds in the first 21 days. :-) That was fun. Overall, I went from 300 pounds to 250.
Nine years later, I've creeped back up to about 260-265, and I don't like it. I have a very hard time STAYING on Atkins... Mostly, it's bread that gets me. :-( I love bread...
I have been pretty good though, about staying on the diet 3-4 weeks at a time, losing 10-15 pounds... I've been in the same 15 pound range now for 9 years.
A lot of people give up on low carb diets early because they feel weak and puny. This is because you lose a lot of water weight in the beginning, and that causes a loss of potassium. I strongly encourage anyone who starts a low carb regimen to supplement with potassium. 99mg is the strongest you can buy over the counter. I used one pill 4 times a day, and it worked great for me. A lot of people on high blood pressure medication would also feel better with extra potassium.
I have that same issue with my mother. She’s just looking for the magic pill that will solve her problems without her having to do any work. Then she complains about the cost of medicines! LOL.
What I try to emphasize with people that low carb diet really doesn’t mean you are sacrificing! Once you get off the refined carbs you realize that there is an abundance of really good, tasty food out there. I rarely eat taters, rice, pasta and I save my carbs for an occasional great dessert.
The other great benefit is weight loss. Because I was on steroids, I had gained LOADS of weight. I have successfully lost 60 lbs and kept it off for over 5 yrs.
The best weight loss, control of blood sugar and cholesterol I had was the two years I was on Adkins. It works.
Just another pyramid scheme.
By government "consensus" fats were bad and carbs were health.
I just went by what made ME feel good, have higher energy levels, etc--a high protein (red meat!), relatively low carb diet, whole milk, real butter.
One size does not fit all. Eat what makes you feel good, no two people are the same.
“I hear this a lot. Mostly from the obese and lazy.”
Hey! I resemble that remark!
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