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Dobson: GOP misled me on Rand Paul
Politico ^ | 05/03/2010 | Josh Kraushaar

Posted on 05/03/2010 8:38:55 AM PDT by speciallybland

Christian conservative leader James Dobson withdrew his endorsement of Kentucky Senate candidate Trey Grayson Monday, switching his support to Rand Paul’s campaign and accusing “senior members of the GOP” of misleading him about Paul’s record on abortion.

Dobson said in an audio recording that he made an “embarrassing mistake” as a result of misunderstanding Paul’s position on abortion.

“I was given misleading information about the candidacy of Dr. Rand Paul, who is running in the Republican Primary for the U.S. Senate. Senior members of the GOP told me Dr. Paul is pro-choice and that he opposes many conservative perspectives, so I endorsed his opponent,” Dobson explained. “But now I've received further information from OB/GYNs in Kentucky whom I trust, and from interviewing the candidate himself.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 2010; 2010endorsements; abortion; congress; dobson; elections; grayson; jamesdobson; kentucky; ky2010; paul; prolifevote; randpaul; senate; treygrayson; ussenate
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To: oneamericanvoice
With all due respect, Doctor Dobson. Take responsibility for your actions. Everyone but you knew about Rand Paul. Shame for blaming someone else...

I was listening to Dr Dobson back in the '80s, when the church I was attending would show his films/recorded presentations on Christian parenting.

I've defended him any number of times from ignorant attacks by those who couldn't tell him from Jim Baker...on this site, even.

Focus on the Family is God's work, and he will be blessed for what he's done.

I believe that his heart is in the right place. But he's doing more harm than good for the cause with his political screw ups. This hasn't been the first.

Dr Dobson, politics is not your strong suit. Please, please do not engage in it.

81 posted on 05/03/2010 3:26:24 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: Bokababe

Rand has an impressive list of endorsements, and the social conservatives and pro-lifers support him strongly against Trey Grayson.

The ex Clinton guy, now Romney guy, just endorsed by Giuliani guy, Trey Grayson, seems to be the kind of candidate that not only isn’t a good conservative choice, but that is so bad, that he needs to be stopped, and kicked out of even establishment GOP politics.

I am amazed that Trey Grayson gets so much support on these threads, although if you notice, they don’t really defend Trey himself in the open, they attack his opponent and pretend that they don’t even know of Trey Grayson or what happens if they succeed in defeating Rand Paul.


82 posted on 05/03/2010 3:29:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: EternalVigilance

Every body but you thinks that Rand Paul is better on abortion than your man Trey, why is that, and why won’t you address that?

“Grayson leads today only among the 1 in 5 Republican primary voters who say they are pro-choice.”


83 posted on 05/03/2010 3:32:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Springfield Reformer
"Rand would say he is prolife, but he defers to federalism by defending the right of individual states to continue aborting babies as they see fit."

While I understand your position, the problem is that Senators have minimal power on the abortion issue on a Federal level. Whatever their position is on the issue is completely irrelevant to whether Roe vs. Wade is overturned on a Federal level. Senatorial positions on abortion are primarily window-dressing for voters.

However, two things that Senators do have input on is whether or not public funds will be used to support abortion and whether or not they put forward the idea that this is "a State issue", in which the Federal Government has no claim or right to interfere.

Rand Paul believes in States' Rights -- that is the quickest way to open the abortion issue to debate again -- much as Arizona's new anti-illegals law has led the way to other States considering their own new laws to protect their State.

Thirty years of electing supposedly "anti-abortion candidates" on a Federal level has gotten the anti-abortion movement virtually nowhere -- even when we had a Republican dominated Congress. States' Rights is the quickest way to act as a game-changer to re-open the issue. If it works, it could reduce the number of abortions and start the dominoes (other States) falling in succession. Then and only then would enough people becomes interested and committed enough to begin dealing with abortion as "a Civil Rights issue" on a Federal level.

At some point, one has to come to the realization that doing the same thing over and over isn't working, and it's time to try something else. States' Rights is the "something else" in this case.

84 posted on 05/03/2010 3:42:07 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
the idea that this is "a State issue", in which the Federal Government has no claim or right to interfere.

Which other of our God-given, unalienable, individual rights do you believe this about?

85 posted on 05/03/2010 3:44:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

Answered in full repeatedly, troll.

Do you endorse Rand Paul’s pro-choice for states position on abortion, his isolationism, and his endorsement of Adam Kokesh?


86 posted on 05/03/2010 3:45:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance
Which other of our God-given, unalienable, individual rights do you believe this about?

It has nothing to do with what "I believe" or what you "believe". It has to do with how the system of government works -- and doesn't work.

Posture and pontificate all you want, it won't you get you where you want to go -- it hasn't gotten you there in the last 30 years and it won't get you there now. Meanwhile babies are continuing to be murdered while you play your "all or nothing" loosing crap-shoot with their lives.

87 posted on 05/03/2010 3:52:27 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

In other words, you can’t answer the question. Not surprising, because your position is illogical and indefensible.


88 posted on 05/03/2010 3:55:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance
In other words, you can’t answer the question. Not surprising, because your position is illogical and indefensible.

LOL! You are just plain ridiculous!

89 posted on 05/03/2010 3:59:00 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: EternalVigilance

You haven’t answered anything, you merely do that childish name calling thing that you use, like a baby shaking his rattler angrily.

Why is Trey Grayson the better man?


90 posted on 05/03/2010 4:02:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Bokababe

By the way, your position, and that of Ron Paul, is identical in every detail to the RINO Republican position laid down by Gerald R. Ford way back at the beginning of this holocaust.

It is your way that hasn’t worked, not mine. My way has been ignored because of the deceptions of folks like the Pauls and John McCain, et al.

Blackmun handed us the victory when he admitted in Roe that if the fetus is a person they are OF COURSE protected by clear provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment. Reagan figured this out and added the personhood pro-life Fourteenth Amendment plank to the GOP platform.

The problem is that for 25 years since then fake “federalists” like Ron Paul have been poisoning people’s minds on this subject.

It’s way past time for it to stop.

All that is required is for everyone, at every level and in every branch, who takes the oath to begin to keep it by protecting the innocent life of every person, as their imperative duty requires.


91 posted on 05/03/2010 4:02:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12
Why is Trey Grayson the better man?

I haven't said a word about Trey Grayson except to say that I don't support him. Multiple times, troll.

92 posted on 05/03/2010 4:03:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: Bokababe
LOL! You are just plain ridiculous!

What is ridiculous is the assertion that states don't have any obligation to protect the unalienable rights of the individual person, when our founders' first assertion was that the very reason for the existence of all government is to do that.

93 posted on 05/03/2010 4:05:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

Please stop pretending to be a conservative.


94 posted on 05/03/2010 4:08:27 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: EternalVigilance
I haven't said a word about Trey Grayson except to say that I don't support him.

Grow up!

There are two men in the race, you want Trey Grayson to defeat Rand Paul.

Why do you support Trey Grayson over Rand Paul?

95 posted on 05/03/2010 4:11:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Please stop pretending to be a conservative.

Hah.

It's Rand and Ron Paul who pretend to be conservatives, especially at election time, when they find it expedient to hide their real views as well as they can.

The rest of the time they are pro-choice for states, anti-war, isolationist, blame-America-first, throw-Israel to the wolves, legalize drugs and prostitution, destroy the institution of marriage, Libertarians.

Amazing how that works.

And how many naive people fall for it every time.

96 posted on 05/03/2010 4:13:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

You continue to spam a logically fallacious argument, troll. Just because I don’t support the pro-choice for states isolationist Libertarian Rand Paul it does not follow that I therefore support Trey Grayson. For that to be true in any sense it would have to be true that there were no other possible choices.


97 posted on 05/03/2010 4:16:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Please explain why you think someone can abandon the foundational principles found in our Declaration of Independence, the Constitution’s own statement of purpose, and the clear imperative requirements laid down in several of the Amendments to that document, and still be in any sense a “conservative.”


98 posted on 05/03/2010 4:18:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

In two weeks Trey Grayson or Rand Paul will be nominated.

All of your efforts on this thread are against Trey Grayson’s opponent, that means that all of your energy or whatever you want to call your efforts, are to the direct, 100% service of Trey Grayson.

Since I think that you can add one plus one, then tell us why it is better that Trey Grayson win, than Rand Paul.


99 posted on 05/03/2010 4:26:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: EternalVigilance; Minus_The_Bear

And how does getting Trey Grayson into the Senate do better than having Rand Paul go to the Senate?

What are the advantages of Trey over Rand?


100 posted on 05/03/2010 4:29:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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