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Terrorists and Guns: The Nature of the Threat and Proposed Reforms
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Posted on 05/04/2010 11:22:15 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

H/T Mike at SipseyStreetIrregulars


Terrorists and Guns: The Nature of the Threat and Proposed Reforms

Wednesday, May 5, 2010
10:00 AM
Dirksen Senate Office Building, room 342

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Background information:

In February 2004, then Attorney General Alberto Gonzales directed the Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Legal Policy (OLP) to form a working group to review federal firearms and explosives laws*particularly in regard to NICS background checks*to determine whether additional authority should be sought from Congress to prevent firearms and explosives transfers to known and suspected terrorists. In the 111th Congress, Senator Frank Lautenberg and Representative Peter King have reintroduced a bill (S. 1317/H.R. 2159) that would authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or suspected terrorists. This bill reportedly reflects a legislative proposal developed by DOJ.

In general, this bill would amend the Gun Control Act (GCA) to grant the Attorney General the discretionary authority to deny a firearm transfer or state-issued firearms permit to any prospective transferee or permittee through Brady background checks, if the Attorney General determines that the prospective transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or to have been engaged in conduct constituting, preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support or resources for terrorism, and has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use the firearm in connection with terrorism (proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The bill would make similar amendments to the provisions of the GCA governing the processes by which federal firearms dealer licenses are issued and revoked (18 U.S.C. §§ 923(d) and (e)).

The bill would also amend the GCA provision (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)) that enumerates several classes of persons who are prohibited from shipping, transporting, possessing, or receiving a firearm or ammunition, so that it would include persons who were the subject of terrorism-related determinations (described above). The bill would amend the GCA provision (18 U.S.C. § 922(d)) that prohibits any person from transferring a firearm to any prohibited person to include any person who was the subject of a terrorism-related determination as well. In addition, the bill would amend the NICS background check provisions (18 U.S.C. § 922(t)) to reflect that the Attorney General would have this new discretionary authority under the proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B.

With regard to NICS denials of firearms transfers or state-issued firearms permits based upon terrorist watch list hits and subsequent determinations by the Attorney General, the bill would amend the Brady Act (P.L. 103-159) to allow a denied prospective transferee to request from the Attorney General the reasons for the denial, but it would also give the Attorney General the authority to withhold those reasons if he determines that such a disclosure would compromise national security. The bill would make a similar amendment to the Brady Act in regard to correction of erroneous information.

Furthermore, the bill would amend the GCA provision that addresses erroneous denials (18 U.S.C. § 925A), to allow any person denied a firearms-related transfer or permit to challenge that determination in U.S. court within 60 days of that determination. This proposed amendment would require the court to sustain the Attorney General’s determination upon a showing by the U.S. Government a preponderance of evidence standard that the determination satisfied the proposed provisions described above (18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The proposed amendment would also allow the court to rely upon summaries or redacted versions of documents underlying those determinations, if those documents contained information that could compromise national security, but it would also allow a court to review the full, undisclosed documents ex parte and in camera at the court’s option or on the motion of the petitioner (denied person). The proposed amendment would also allow the court to determine whether the summaries or redacted versions of the documents were fair and accurate representations of the underlying documents; however, it would not allow the court to overturn the Attorney General’s determination based on the full and un-redacted documents.


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To: Neil E. Wright
Unbelievable! Have they done any research at all? A review of the literature? I'm serious. Plenty of data to show this is a bad idea. Just the title is enough to make you scream No!
81 posted on 05/05/2010 9:08:02 AM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: Neil E. Wright

Wanna’ bet the “Findings” of the committee have already been written? Where’s the NRA? Gun Owners of America? Talk about a lopsided panel. Yeah, a Who’s Who of anti-gunners. . .


82 posted on 05/05/2010 9:11:14 AM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: NFHale

If you are an enemy of the United States, (I believe that makes you a criminal.) Therefore, Obama is a criminal.


83 posted on 05/05/2010 9:13:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Neil E. Wright
One of the things that helps me get through the day with all this stuff. . "There's something every day.". . is my friend's comment: "The worse it gets from now until November 2, 2010, the bigger the landslide." That helps some, but how much damage are they going to do from now until then?
84 posted on 05/05/2010 9:14:41 AM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: NFHale

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law , St. Paul , Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning last November’s Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Obama: 19 McCain: 29

Square miles of land won by...:Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000

Population of Counties won by:Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying Citizens of the country.
Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens livingIn low Income tenements and living off various forms of government Welfare...”

THESE NUMBERS DON’T LIE !!


85 posted on 05/05/2010 9:31:38 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

RE Stats:

No surprises there.


86 posted on 05/05/2010 9:35:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Breaking:

Lastest MSM news template:

Terrorist possessed a gun!

MSM will call for more gun control laws to prevent further such victims of mortgage problems being upset and having the gun go off and killing people. sarc..

NY police chief: bomb suspect bought gun in Conn.

(AP) – 58 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — New York’s police commissioner says Times Square bomb suspect Faisal Shahzad purchased a gun in Connecticut in March.

Commissioner Raymond Kelly told a Senate hearing Wednesday that Shahzad took the gun with him when he drove to the airport to board a flight to Dubai.

Kelly and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that they support legislation to make it more difficult for suspected terrorists to buy guns.

Investigators have said a gun was discovered in the car Shahzad left at the airport.


87 posted on 05/05/2010 9:38:20 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

“Kelly and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that they support legislation to make it more difficult for suspected terrorists to buy guns. “

LOL

F’ING MORONS!!


88 posted on 05/05/2010 12:30:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

This is a real threat.


89 posted on 05/05/2010 12:42:21 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
“Kelly and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that they support legislation to make it more difficult for suspected terrorists to buy guns."

Again, have they done any research at all? Criminals don't buy guns legally. Or fine, pass your law and criminals/terrorists will continue to buy them underground and punish law abiding citizens. Sounds brilliant. Duh. . .

90 posted on 05/05/2010 1:07:27 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: KeyLargo
Why does this whole Shahzad thing look like an amateurish photo op? The way amateur "car bomb", "the great escape", now he has a gun. . Something fishy about the whole thing - it's almost as if anything happens, who is really behind it, and why? The panty bomber. . . Antenna up.
91 posted on 05/05/2010 1:12:45 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: Neil E. Wright; davidosborne

Thanks for the post. Thanks for the ping. Mid term elections are getting close. Perhaps these clowns will entice even more people to rid the capital of democrats.


92 posted on 05/05/2010 1:43:10 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Thunder90

I think I figured out why the switch in election day colors on those big boards from the MSM. It’s clear the Democrats have ALL taken the “Blue Pill” [Ref: The Matrix]. They are totally blinded to reality because they are completely ruled by their hearts and truly cannot think for themselves — they believe WE are the ones who cannot rationally look at a problem and arrive at a solution, but their attacks belie their true nature.

*EVERYTHING* bad in the world is due to their political nemesis (or whomever they see as such at the moment). First it was BDS, then it was PDS now it’s “TPDS” (Tea Party Derangement Syndrome). They try to paint us with a label of ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome), but if they bothered to actually LISTEN to what we are saying it’s not ALL about Obama (although to be fair I’d say that he’s makes up a decent portion of the problem, and he’s certainly the most visible as he definitely uses his bully pulpit to frame the issues and put forth falsehoods that work to his political advantage).

As far as clearly identifying the REAL ENEMIES of Freedom, the Constitution, and our Democratic Electoral System; their hearts rule over their minds because they WANT to believe that inside everyone is a warm heart, and that clearly is NOT the case. As sad as it is, the human mind and soul is corruptible — and it is, VERY SAD, especially when we think of the countless children being indoctrinated into a life of hate and victimhood... Children unable to realize goals and dreams because all they see around them is calls for death and destruction and shifting of blame to perceived threats instead of taking personally responsibility for making their own lives better. It breaks my heart to think of these children...

There are people in this world that will NEVER be satisfied. That will NEVER be able to see the world clearly due to the incredibly disgusting indoctrination they have received since they were too young to even understand what was being said. They have been STEEPED in Hatred since their BIRTH. It is all around them, in every way they live their lives. They do NOT see the same world we do — that’s just a FACT — PERIOD.

The *Muslims* they are defending will NEVER see that they are wrong to call for our extermination, because to do so would be to defy their god!!! It’s amazing to me that they can view Christians as a threat, but when it comes to a religion that is actively calling for the extermination of all that disagree with THEIR beliefs they are completely blinded to reality.

It’s disturbingly fascinating really. That the Dems would put specific people, and their party above the good of the nation’s people as a whole. [Don’t get me wrong — the Republican Party, and others have their share of the same people, but by and large the Dems have a disproportionately large number of this people in their ranks...]


93 posted on 05/05/2010 2:53:13 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: KeyLargo

That was reported by the NYPD on Saturday night as one of the things in his car... It’s not new.

Why wouldn’t the terrorist have a gun? Is that somehow shocking?

[I get the point of what you’re saying - the MSM using it as an excuse to ban possession of a gun or guns. It’s just that they are using the obvious information to manipulate others, it’s not *new rhetoric* or *breaking*, so to speak 4 days later].


94 posted on 05/05/2010 3:00:39 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
“Years back, someone suggested a rock ‘buy-back’ program.”

I'm for that, I could use it to finance my gun collection! ;)

95 posted on 05/05/2010 3:35:50 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: KeyLargo
"Kelly and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that they support legislation to make it more difficult for suspected terrorists   anyone to buy guns."

there, fixed it.

96 posted on 05/05/2010 3:42:56 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Denial Panels??


97 posted on 05/05/2010 9:09:09 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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