I am convinced that this is the case.
Posted on 05/12/2010 8:47:16 AM PDT by curiosity
The origin of modern myths and legends is a side interest of mine, the birther myths among them.
Now I understand why Obama being born in Kenya made it into your belief system, despite it being physically impluasible (requiring around 5 days and five flights, most on propeller planes) and financially impossible (it would have cost about a year of her parents' combined salaries) for Stanley Ann & Obama Sr. to travel there for her to give birth. After all, Obama's Father was from Kenya, so if you are going to make up a myth about Obama being born abroad, what better place than Kenya?
Implausibilty, and even impossiblilty doesn't deter the making of myths if there is a strong emotional reason to believe them, as in this case.
What I don't understand is, of all possible places in Kenya, why make Mombassa the birthplace in your myth? If you look at the map of Kenya, it's on the other end of the country from Obama Sr.'s village, 762 miles away, which would make it a minimum 2 day train ride. Probably longer, since Kenyan trains were very fast in 1961.
I suppose you could argue that there were no hospitals in Obama's village, so they had to travel to a major city. But Nairobi was closer, and more modern.
So why Mombassa? Not only is it completely implausible; I don't see the emotional appeal. Why Mombasssa rather than his father's village? Or why Mombassa rather than Nairobi?
Help me out here, birthers. Why do you reserve this special place for Mombassa in your belief system?
It’s not a theory, it’s a question. Where was he born? Is he a NATURAL BORN citizen? Show the long form, and we will know.
I am convinced that this is the case.
You seem to think there is some type of consensus on where the hell Berry was born? I don’t think there is, you are trying to debunk a moving target. Was Obamas father an American citizen? If not according to the Constitution and all case law so far he can not be a naturally born US citizen can he? If you are going to bother answering I hope you reply with facts.
Also please answer this; Is it true Obama has spent almost 2 million bucks fighting court cases to get him to show his birth certificate? If that statement is true, instead of being the birther buster, how about wondering what the hell is going on here, no matter how you slice it there is something wrong and I am sure you are smart enough to know that.
I think the vast majority of Birthers (why insult people?) could care less where he was born. They just want to know if he is constitutionally disqualified to be President and what he is hiding. There are several ways he could be disqualified even if he was born in Hawaii.
It is mind boggling and a bit creepy that we have someone who became the President of the United States and no one can conclusively prove where he was born.
His Visa and college records are national secrets. Today we find out that his SSN Card was issued in CT, a state he never visited or worked.
It is just creepy, let’s face it. Why wouldn’t people be curious?
“despite it being physically impluasible (requiring around 5 days and five flights, most on propeller planes) and financially impossible (it would have cost about a year of her parents’ combined salaries) for Stanley Ann & Obama Sr. to travel there for her to give birth.”
Hell, Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. traveled all over. How much do you think it cost to travel from Hawaii to the mainland? How did they pay for school. How did they get to Indonisia? I’ll agree with you on one thing. It would be financially impossible for them to have done most of what they did. Unless they had some help that, of course, we don’t know about.
complete nonsense. The COLB is an official Hawaii document that is completely adequate for all legal proof of birth questions (it even says so on it!). The state of Hawaii has repeatedly said that it is legit.
Be careful lumping people into one large pile. There are a lot of folks who want to know more about his birth certificate who don’t necessarily maintain he was born in Kenya, nor do they have any specific theories at all. They just want to know what is on the original birth certificate that he is hiding. In fact I’d say the group you are criticizing here is an extremely small subset of those who are often disparagingly referred to as “birthers.”
Would you also use the epithet “tea bagger”, as you’re using “birther”? Good way to quash debate, by labeling your adversaries (and demeaning them) before the first word is written. Alinsky would be proud.
Obama’s own wife recently referred to Kenya as his country of birth, his grandmother says so as well.
There’s no evidence (that hasn’t been forged, badly) that shows his birthplace anywhere else. Two hospitals in Hawaii orginally claimed that status, adding to the confusion.
As Americans, we have the absolute right to know exactly who our leaders are. Obama was NEVER properly vetted.
Why?
Our Constitution REQUIRES a natural born POTUS. Everything I’ve seen so far on the subject indicates that Obama is a fraud. He’s spent over a million dollars covering up his background.
Why?
Since the MSM has failed dismally to properly investigate Obama’s background, it’s left up to the citizenry to perform that task.
Is that being a “birther”? In my book, it’s just being a concerned American.
I don’t know about you, but I think it is pretty obvious he was born in Hawaii. His COLB says so, and the state of Hawaii confirms it.
What a condescending post. Why should anyone “help you out” when every sentence of your post shows how much you sneer at and look down upon anyone who thinks Obama was born in Mombasa? I have no idea WHERE he was born; I just want to know why he spent two million dollars to avoid having to show his birth certificate and other records.
Hey Curious, I’m not a “birther”.
Why is it so difficult to produce an original birth document that indicates the name of the hospital/location and the doctor that delivered the this President into the world?
You answer that, and millions of regular “non-birther” citizens will stop asking.
Odd that the primary question of this thread is based upon an assumption that the story is manufactured.
Funny how people like this will go to all lengths to demand proof or verification of a charge, but refuse to even consider asking for a $15.00 defensive document that could quickly debunk and end the issue forever.
They also conveniently ignore the FACT that Obama has spent 2.5 mil + to keep all of his records that would supposedly vindicate his claims secret.
Regardless of where he was born, the FACT that he is ineligible to be president of the US is abundantly clear.
Why ask such a stupid question like “Why Mombasso?” when the more relevant question of “Why not release the long form” is not even addressed?
More power to ya, and good luck trying to sway the birthers. Mombasa could’ve taken hold as the location because of a “Kenyan birth certificate” for O. floating around online. His father was from west of Nairobi, and no mention is made of Mombasa - many, many miles east - in his biography, but there must be a reason for that too. ;-)
Really? How is it that the inconsistencies surrounding it don’t seem to bother you?
His father’s race listed as African? The nomenclature was Negro or black and in any case there is no nation of Africa. There is a nation of Kenya.
He also had at least two other Long Form BC’s in his possession. Why not put one of them up?
Why put up a form that would surely stand out in stark contrast to that of many others and cause the question in first place?
Why get a document in 2007 and wait until 2008 to release it?
Why, if we can question John McCain’s legitimacy, can we not question that of Barry, who has a far more serious cloud over his identity than that of any other President.
The state of Hawaii confirmed he was born in Hawaii? How?
“Curious George” here thinks that a glaring omission of the most basic form of transparency is somehow OK for some presidents. He’s missing a basic moral building block.
>>> I don’t know about you, but I think it is pretty obvious he was born in Hawaii. His COLB says so, and the state of Hawaii confirms it.
If a true Hawaii birth certificate exists, we would have seen it during the campaign of 2008.
Well, the whole frame of your question and post is slanted. It can be classified as either “When did you stop beating your wife?” type question, or a total straw man.
As a “Birther” I don’t subscribe to any “belief system.” I simply have questions:
Whose name was on the birth certificate as father?
What hospital was he born in and who was the doctor?
Answer these two simple questions with the proof of the long form birth certificate and there would be no birther movement. But, that hasn’t happened. He hasn’t released the long form as McCain did. Anyone who says differently is a liar or a fool. Hawaii has fought against any inquiries and Obama has spent, through front groups, over a million dollars fighting against something that would cost ten bucks to put to rest.
Numerous states have now passed laws to require that certificate to be placed on the ballot. They also know something is up.
So, in your particular belief system, where was Obama born, what hospital and what doctor? Who was listed as the father on the certificate?
Please post the proof of the long form. So many here on FR would love to move on from the topic.
Let me ask you a question or two....
How did Barack Obama Sr. manage to travel the world like he did. Where did he get the money from?
If Obama’s mothers parents were as “destitute” as you try to paint them then how were they able to afford for their daughter to be traveling as much as she did and to go to college? You didn’t have cheap airline fares back then, hun. Nor did you have all the college loan schemes that we have nowadays. Where did they get the money from to be able to afford their daughter’s lifestyle if they were as destitute as you try to make them out to be?
Most importantly, why was it so important to Barack Obama to hide any and all documentation about him that one of his very first executive orders was to seal all of his records?
Also, remember when Bill Clinton was elected? Remember how you saw all sorts of people come crawling out of the woodwork to talk about him-former school teachers, schoolmates, friends from college, etc.. We were bombarded with stories about him in his younger days.
Have you noticed that there is hardly anyone who has come out to tell these kinds of stories about Barack Obama and the few who have are from his Indonesian school days and his Kenyan relatives. Why is that? One would think that people would be so proud to have known him when he was younger and the MSM so eager to embellish his mythology that they would be lapping it up like a scum sucking dog. We should still be hearing these “heartwarming stories” to this day out of the MSM. Where are they?
Finally always remember the old adage “Where there is smoke, there is fire.”. This kind of stuff would be real easy for Obama to stop-all he would have to do is release his records and COLB just like every other President has. Why has Obama only fed the fire by sealing his records. What does he fear about them?
“birther”? What are you, 7 years old? How do you expect to have an intelligent discussion of a subject when you write like a second grader using second grade type of terms?
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