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Let's hear some ideas to cap this oil leak ...
5-29-10 | boycott

Posted on 05/29/2010 2:27:01 PM PDT by boycott

Okay, I am not an expert in this field but sometimes the most simple ideas work the best. It should be obvious rather quickly that I am not an expert in this field.

I really just want to hear other's suggestions so I'll offer mine to spare you any embarrassment of your suggestions .... as silly as it may be ................

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As a temporary solution, a dome that is weighted at the bottom that is somewhat self-leveling -- something that would resemble sandbags joined/tied together so that it would seal off most, if not all, of the leak. The bags (or whatever the containers) could almost be self-leveling (it could be steel balls, chain links, sand, or whatever in the self-leveling bags). At the top of the dome is a large and obviously long pipe where the oil/gas mixture would be forced to exit at the surface into tankers. Pumps could be used to help maintain the flow-rate. Pumps may or may not be desired.

I am not sure of the type (or types) of pipe. I know there is a lot of pressure a mile below the surface. You may have to use a heavy steel pipe near the bottom. I wonder if something a little more flexible (imagine a big garden hose -- certainly much thicker and more ridgid.) could be used a little higher up. A combination of various types of pipe could possibly be used (steel, fiberglass, plastic, etc.). Pipe supports may be also needed.

If the area of the leak is 10', make the dome 20'+ around it. The shape isn't so important. What is important is sealing it off on the bottom and forcing the oil to the surface using pumps (if desired or needed.) via the pipe.

My suggestion is only for temporary recommendation until the relief well is done. You could then possibly drill closer to the area of the leak and I believe you could get there more quickly.

-- I believe all this could be done pretty quickly. Fusing large plastic pipe together could be done very quickly.

They might could use the first dome they tried to use or something like it. Put the weighted leveling devices on the sides and a steel pipe in the top of it. Then join the steel pipe with plastic (or fiberglass, etc., or whatever) as you get shallower. Use chain/ropes to lower the dome, pipes, pipe supports, etc.

I know my suggestion may be way off but sending golfballs and mud down the rig wasn't very complicated either. I am not fond of the NUKE OPTION I am hearing either.

I don't like the idea of waiting and doing nothing until August when they can drill the relief wells.

My thoughts are that if they could pick up just one idea from anyone, it might could help bring an end to this nightmare. It's day 40 and this slow-motion disaster continues before our eyes.

If you have any suggestions, I would love to hear them. Also, please send them to ......

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/546759/

BTW, I am in no way affiliated with DeepWaterHorizonResponse.com or any other organization involved in the response. I am just a guy that lives on the Gulf of Mexico that loves sealife / wildlife, beautiful sandy beaches, and our way of life.


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To: boycott

Three words for you: Oprah. On. Top.


81 posted on 05/29/2010 2:52:58 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: boycott

“I say we take off, and Silly Putty it from orbit! It’s the only way to be sure!”


82 posted on 05/29/2010 2:54:21 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: boycott
Suggest contacting First Lady for suggestions on something very big to plug the leak.
83 posted on 05/29/2010 2:54:41 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: boycott

At the very least, examine previous incidents and the approaches used to contain/stop them.

http://www.oilrigdisasters.co.uk/

Offshore Blowouts

1. Sedco 135F and the IXTOC-1 Well
In 1979, the IXTOC-1 blowout flowed uncontrollably in the Bahia de Campeche, Mexico until it was capped 9 months later. 3,500,000 barrels released

more at the link


84 posted on 05/29/2010 2:54:41 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: boycott

if they can shoot golf balls into it... why cant they shoot little objects that expand into the pipe?


85 posted on 05/29/2010 2:54:56 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: JoeProBono

LOL! I am sure that will work. May need about 20 gallons.


86 posted on 05/29/2010 2:55:06 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: boycott

Hot tap another BOP on top of the old one. I understand that will be tried soon.

Second put an expandable pipe pig down the hole, inflate it with mud and hope for the best.

Put a heated fluid down the hole that will solidify as it cools.

Put a jacket around the current BOP, pump the oil and water up the jacket, separate them at the surface and burn the oil.

That’s it for now.

The big problem is the pressure. 5000ft of water is more than 2100psig. The only process I’ve worked with that goes there is making polystyrene foams and the “foam” after they come out of the extruder. Thinking about it de-super heaters also go there.


87 posted on 05/29/2010 2:55:07 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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To: boycott
A huge collapsed heavy neoprene bladder 100 feet long forced shoved down the hole and then pumped with cement. After success, poor cement all around the area to cap it off.
88 posted on 05/29/2010 2:55:07 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Past Your Eyes

LOL! Best idea yet! Just make sure it’s occupied with the elitist scumbags that work there before you lower it down.


89 posted on 05/29/2010 2:55:08 PM PDT by MCH
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To: TexasFreeper2009

They need some “Great Stuff” foam.


90 posted on 05/29/2010 2:55:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: boycott

Suitcase nuke


91 posted on 05/29/2010 2:56:18 PM PDT by Feckless (Don't care where he was born. The oath I took said "...against all enemies, foreign and domestic".)
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To: boycott

The problem is working at the depth the leak is at-the pressure is horrendous.


92 posted on 05/29/2010 2:56:26 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: SkyPilot

lol


93 posted on 05/29/2010 2:56:47 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: boycott

2 torpedos from a North Korean sub oughta do it.


94 posted on 05/29/2010 2:57:00 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: boycott
A Petroleum Engineer's Explanation

What’s really happening in the Gulf Oil Spill

I appreciate all of the concern with the disaster in the gulf, but there is an awful lot of ignorance concerning the mechanisms both on ATS as well as the myriad of so-called experts in the MSM. I am posting this thread, since I have been in the oil business for over 30 years working as a petroleum engineer and have actually designed drilled and operated oil & gas wells. This explanation may get too technical, but at least it will expose and dissipate myths concerning this disaster.

Any oil well is drilled starting with a large diameter that at certain points in the process the large diameter holes are cased off with pipe and cemented in place for various reasons and the drilling is continued with smaller diameters until it reaches its objective. I will not go into all of the reasons pipe is run and a smaller diameter is initiated, take my word for it happens & is necessary.

The Horizon Explorer had several strings of pipes until the final 7” pipe was run (probably the 7” was run in 9 5/8” OD casing). The well is blowing out of the annulus between the 7” casing & the 9 5/8” casing. There is no flow inside the 7”. This casing has tools & check valves that prevent anything from flowing into it. The 7” was supposed to be cemented in place, but the well was starting to blow out during this process. So the cement was being diluted with oil & gas where it could not solidify and shut off flow from the reservoir @ 18,000+/- feet below the seafloor.

I will not go into the failure of the blowout preventer. Let is suffice to say it didn’t work as designed and with the flow coming out, the oil & gas flowed up the riser (the pipe that connects the wellhead to the drilling rig) and it was game, set & match.

When the rig sank the riser was still attached to the wellhead and fell over & split in a reported 3 places. It w as reported that 16.5 #/gallon drilling mud was in the riser and the well blew out when it was replaced with seawater. To understand the physics I will try to explain hydrostatic head. The pressure created from a column of fluid in an oil well is identical to the reason you have water pressure out of the tap at the kitchen sink. Water which weighs 8.33 #/gallon is put into a water tower 100’ up in the air. Fresh water has a hydrostatic head equal to .433 psi per foot of height. Therefore you get 43.3 psi at your shower head. If water weighed 16 #/gallon then you would have 86.6 psi in the shower. Similarly as an oil well is drilled there is a fluid known as “drilling mud” that is pumped into the drillpipe, through the drillbit & circulated back to the surface where it is screened to remove the soil dug out of the well. This “mud” is carefully monitored to make sure that if encounters oil or gas it is heavy enough to keep it from flowing into the wellbore. The well in question had to have 16.5 #/gallon mud weight to keep the oil & gas from flowing. The hydrostatic head of the mud of this weight as opposed to fresh water is .86 psi/ft. This means that the pressure in the oil reservoir encountered must be nearly 20,000 psi. ((18,000 + 5000) X .86). As the oil replaced the column of mud that would offset this bottomhole pressure it began flowing faster & faster into the annulus with more & more force as the weight of the 23,000 foot column of fluid became lighter & lighter. When the “company man” (the BP guy in charge) removed 16.5 #/gallon mud from the riser with 8.4 #.gallon sea water he immediately reduced the hydrostatic pressure 2000 psi & it was over.

Now BP is trying to recreate this heavy mud column to offset the bottomhole pressure to balance the well using the “top kill”. A “top kill” entails pumping weighted fluid into the top of the well and forcing the oil & gas back into the reservoir and filling the annular space with heavy mud creating a hydrostatic head equal to the reservoir pressure. The oil & gas are not flowing from a void in the earth it is flowing out of the tiny spaces between sand grains. There is a limit how fast the fluid will reverse & flow back into the formation sand. If the mud is pumped at a higher rate than the formation can absorb then the pressure increases and even the heavy mud may be inadequate to hold back the bottomhole pressure and when the pumps stop the mud starts flowing back. In addition, if the injection pressure gets too high it may exceed the burst strength of the casing in the well. If the casing splits & starts blowing out into the ocean bed the party is over, there is no way to control unless the flow in contained inside pipe. So the top kill is a precarious balancing act. To further complicate this situation it appears that 90% or more of the mud is not going down the hole, but is being spewed into the ocean. To get more down the hole one needs to pump at higher pressure which means increased rate which means more escapes instead of going down creating increased hydrostatic head to decrease the flow from the reservoir. The junk shot (rubber, golf balls, etc) is not to solve the whole problem; it is only to try to reduce the amount of mud that is escaping from the holes in the riser. They shut down periodically, to measure pressure to estimate how much is going down the hole & how much is being wasted. If the well initially flowed at 5000 psi & after a day of the “top kill” it’s flowing at 4000 psi then we have offset 1000 psi of the oil & gas with mud. If the mud weighs 16.5 #/gallon with a hydrostatic head of .86 psi/ft then we have successfully gotten 1200’ of mud column in the well if we assume only gas in the wellbore. It’s actually not this much. Having done “top kills” on land with varying degrees of success I can assure that its not easy under any circumstances much less those out here.

A “bottom kill” is vastly easier and is what the relief wells are about. Unfortunately for that to work the relief well must intersect an 8 ¾” diameter well bore 3 miles underground in the dark. It has been and can be done, but the deep intersection is necessary so that the enormous bottomhole reservoir pressure can be offset with heavy drilling fluid. The drilling mud will then displace the oil and gas from the bottom rather than try to force somewhere it doesn’t want to go. Once the heavy fluid balances the bottomhole pressure then cement can be put into place that once set up will end the need for the heavy fluid.

Link follows:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread576723/pg1

95 posted on 05/29/2010 2:57:18 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The enviromentalist types are the morons who got us into this mess to begin with. IMHO.


I agree. If they would have allowed us to drill anywhere, we wouldn’t have had to go 100 miles offshore.

We cannot drill in the barron land of Alaska. We have to go 100 miles offshore. The hypocrits will twist it but they’re the reason we have to drill offshore.


96 posted on 05/29/2010 2:58:13 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: autumnraine

Underground nuke 5000 ft down....I’ve been promoting that for weeks but BP ignores me :)


97 posted on 05/29/2010 2:58:35 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: boycott

Redistribute oil income. /s


98 posted on 05/29/2010 2:58:59 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: boycott

How about going back in time and electing a President who wouldn’t look the other way on safety standards for a handful of silver?


99 posted on 05/29/2010 2:59:04 PM PDT by The Duke
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100 posted on 05/29/2010 2:59:12 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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