Shechita Banned in New Zealand (kosher slaughter)

inn ^ | 5/30/10 | staff

[Nachum]

Regulations that came into effect in New Zealand over the weekend forbid kosher ritual slaughter (shechita). According to the new regulations, animals must now be unconscious before being slaughtered, invalidating them for kosher slaughter.

[James C. Bennett]

What about halaal?

[counterpunch]

But the Māori are still permitted to practice human sacrifice and cannibalism, because they're a protected class in NZ, ya know...

[ketelone]

Who told you that?

The Maori have never been a ‘special class’, or an enslaved people. Theyve always dealt on equal terms with white settlers, in accordance with the legal treaty of Waitangi.

Think, before you perform the foot in mouth maneouver.

THeres nothing wrong with this any way. Why should an animal be made to suffer more than necessary? Kosher and Halaal are practices from much more barbaric times. Surely rabbinical law can assess whether consciousness of the animal is required today, when an induced unconsiousness does not mean illness?

[AnotherUnixGeek]

But the Māori are still permitted to practice human sacrifice and cannibalism

They are?

[James C. Bennett]

Completely agree with you regarding slaughter.

[dr_lew]

Why should an animal be made to suffer more than necessary? Kosher and Halaal are practices from much more barbaric times.

Necessary for what?

O mortals, do not pollute your bodies with a food so impious! You have the fruits of the earth, you have apples, bending down the branches with their weight, and grapes swelling to ripeness on the vines;

- Ovid, The discourse of Pythagoras

What barbarian age do we live in then? When flesh is manufactured as a commodity with no thought whatsoever for the life that produces it? Your arbitrary, self-serving, and naive condemnation of ritual slaughter is the grossest hyprocrisy.

"Now it's your turn, now it's your turn to die!" - the ketchup and the mustard to Hamburger Joe, in Zap Comix

[Tainan]

"Clams got scruples!"....B.C. comic strip

[counterpunch]

It's a bit of a joke ment to tweak Māori sensitivities. In NZ it is considered politically incorrect to bring up the Māori history of canabalism. In fact, they try to deny it, despite ample historical evidence. But don't be fooled. There is a lot of controvery over the Treaty of Waitangi. I've been to the treaty grounds. I've seen the documents. What the Māori chiefs signed, and what the English version said are quite a bit different on important points of Māori sovereignty. And the Māori want to nullify the treaty and renegotiate in their own favor, for their part. There is a wide spread feeling among the white population that the Māori get special treatment and feel entitled and prefer to live off of special government handouts than to work. Most of the crime is committed by the Māori youths, and NZ has a growing Problem in Aukland and Wellington of Māori gangs.

[FreedomPoster]

I assume your white guilt leftists excuse it and enable it, as ours do with our minority populations, on that last?

[Mrs.Z]

BARBARIC...

JEWS ARE BARBARIC???

How about slaughtering their own children for jihad sake...

or beating their daughters to death for wanting an education?

[ketelone]

Im actually a vegetarian, so I dont think Im being as hypocritical as you think.

And I dont think my “Condemnation” is arbitrary. It has a point to it.

At some point, it may have been necessary for the animal to be awake, and alive, for the rabbi to be assured that it is healthy. But today, they can be assured of that fact without having it be awake. Why make the animal go through all this, having its throat slit, and bleeding to death?

Why can the rabbi/mullah not take it on principle that the animal is fine? Can the ritual not change with the times?

[WVKayaker]

Can the ritual not change with the times?

Just like our Constitution, huh?

Do you really think God should change His mind about things? If you are not a theist, it is a natural reaction. A Christian would be hypocritical to expect a rabbi to subvert the Word of God.

The major problems with the world can be attributed to those that have just "gone along with the times..."

[pointsal]

Seems to me there are livestock transporting ships that take live ship to the Middle East for slaughter.
Does it not trouble these sensitive folks about the ultimate of their livestock?

The ritual act is the same whether it is on New Zealand's soil or the wasteland desert of the Middle East.

[hoosierham]

It has occurred to me that if one is the leader of a bunch of ignorant,superstitious desert tribesmen who can't understand why they should not eat certain foods ,the simple thing is to tell them that God forbids it.

The same same applies to many other urges that might be destructive of good health,family life, and tribal cohesiveness.

Death as a penalty,of necessity administered by the earthly leaders, permanently removes rulebreakers and terifies the rest into submission.Also when wanting to take better land away from the people living there,telling the tribe God wants you to kill all those people except for the virgin girls just might be a plan.

It is written that God created man in His own image;wherefore one might conjecture that traits like curiosity and questioning must be part of His nature.

[WVKayaker]

It has occurred to me that if one is the leader of a bunch of ignorant,superstitious desert tribesmen who can't understand why they should not eat certain foods ,the simple thing is to tell them that God forbids it.

Yeah, good reasoning (not). My take on your group is that the leader is probably just as ignorant!

Nice try, but no banana...

Your post is spoken like a true atheist...

[aruanan]

It has occurred to me that if one is the leader of a bunch of ignorant,superstitious desert tribesmen who can't understand why they should not eat certain foods ,the simple thing is to tell them that God forbids it.

You beg more questions than you answer.

[ketelone]

Pft. Ridiculous straw man argument. Where did I say Jews are barbaric? I said that it was a practice from a more barbaric TIME.

Misreading things doesnt make your argument stronger.

[ketelone]

Wow. Way to overreact.

My saying that it logically shouldnt be a problem for a rabbi if you knock an animal out before performing the kosher ritual, is now somehow equatable to:

1. Changing the constitution

2. Allowing abortion

3. Tolerating flagrant homosexual morals

Way to fly off the handle, pal. Hyperbole and overreaction are on the rise, I see. Oh, and for the record, I dont think any of the above three are Ok.

And its “the word of god” that you should keep an animal awake as you slit its throat? Please. Get a grip.

[WVKayaker]

I believe that if you review my post to you, it was concerning the idea that God is changing "with the times". It was in response to your posit that a tribe adopted a custom...

Speaking of hyperbole, your crap is piled high!