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Holographic Sights for SOCOM M4s
Defense Industry Daily ^ | 5/31/2010 | Defense Industry Daily

Posted on 05/31/2010 6:05:01 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

-3 Communications subsidiary EOTech, Inc. in Ann Arbor, MI received a $25 million sole-source, firm-fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity contract, to provide their optical sighting system for U.S. Special Operations Command’s M4A1 carbines. Work will be performed in Ann Arbor, MI and is expected to be complete by May 2015. $262,636 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year, on Sept 30/10. The US Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division in Crane, IN manages this contract (N00164-10-D-JN68). EOTech offers a unique technology, thanks to its Holographic Weapon Sight. The firm says that their night-vision compatible sight combines ranging and aiming in one image, which is not affected by problems ranging from mud on the sight, to a cracked sight window. This simple simulator demonstrates the basic sight picture.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: 556mm; banglist; holographic; m4; m4a1; socom; specialforces

EOTech HWS
1 posted on 05/31/2010 6:05:01 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

Still a “mouse gun!”


2 posted on 05/31/2010 6:09:19 PM PDT by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: JayVee
Still a “mouse gun!”

The bullet from that 'mouse gun' has more energy at 150 yards than a .45 ACP does at the muzzle.

3 posted on 05/31/2010 6:12:05 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: JayVee

<<
Still a “mouse gun!”
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I have an m4. It’s full of surprises.


4 posted on 05/31/2010 6:21:56 PM PDT by noblejones (Obama rules!)
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To: sonofstrangelove
All my "sons" who have built up their own civilian M4s have these sights installed on them. What the on-screen simulator can't show is how great the no-parallax feature works.

No matter where your head is positioned, if you can see that red ring and can put that circle on the target, your shot hits the target. It's almost too easy! '-)

5 posted on 05/31/2010 6:22:46 PM PDT by TXnMA
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To: sonofstrangelove; Joe Brower

I have one on my M-4gery. I like it. To me, nothing is quicker on target under 100 yards, yet it’s plenty accurate out to 300 or beyond. (I have 53 year old eyes.)


6 posted on 05/31/2010 6:24:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee; TXnMA

Its awesome!


7 posted on 05/31/2010 6:27:16 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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To: mylife

EOTech Bang!


8 posted on 05/31/2010 6:27:41 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: TXnMA

Yep. For firing out of position where you can’t get a good cheek weld, nothing is better. For example, firing out of a car window one handed, while driving with the left hand. (I read this one.) An SF guy in a running gun battle in Afghanistan reported that he couldn’t have made lots of impossible “trick shots” firing out the driver’s window with any other sight. Picture it: left hand on wheel, right hand on M4 pistol grip, then dipping your head down now and then to get a quick red bullseye reticle on the bad guy and pull the trigger. Drive, shoot, drive, shoot. An EOTech is great for firing while doing other things, like running, climbing, weaving etc. Just a quick glimpse through the screen from any damn angle, and you are on target.


9 posted on 05/31/2010 6:27:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: JayVee
"Still a “mouse gun!” "

Hmmm...

Specifically why? I don't want to waste a line on my Christmas wish list.

10 posted on 05/31/2010 6:28:20 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Weren’t those Crane built SBR’s previously using Aimpoint’s ?


11 posted on 05/31/2010 6:29:52 PM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: TXnMA

I have used the EOTECH for my last three rotations to AF and am stunned by the accuracy. I am getting a little long in the tooth and my eyes were (are) getting bad but the EOTECH really has helped me to get back in the ring.


12 posted on 05/31/2010 6:30:00 PM PDT by wbarmy (I decided to be a sheepdog when I saw what happens to sheep.)
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To: Lurker
The bullet from that 'mouse gun' has more energy at 150 yards than a .45 ACP does at the muzzle.

And a ball-peen hammer at full swing has even more (1/2 mass x velocity squared= force).

.22 FMJ rounds can be deadly. But not as deadly as .30 FMJ rounds traveling at the same velocity. For range (beyond 200 yds), penetration through material like cinder blocks, and first round kills, I'd like a cartridge that is actually adequate and legal for shooting deer. Goes double when the deer are shooting back.

13 posted on 05/31/2010 6:35:24 PM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: wbarmy
Speaking of "back in the ring!"

This is what it looks like, folks. The center dot is 1 MOA.


14 posted on 05/31/2010 6:38:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

That is cool.


15 posted on 05/31/2010 6:58:20 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Lurker
The bullet from that 'mouse gun' has more energy at 150 yards than a .45 ACP does at the muzzle.

so you are saying that rifles and pistols are somehow different??
16 posted on 05/31/2010 7:10:46 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Lurker

“The bullet from that ‘mouse gun’ has more energy at 150 yards than a .45 ACP does at the muzzle.”

I think he is comparing the .223 to the much better .308 (7.62 X 51), not a pistol round.


17 posted on 05/31/2010 7:16:13 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: sonofstrangelove
HOLO is nice, how about FLIR?

MSRP is only $20,000+.

18 posted on 05/31/2010 7:19:07 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Lurker
A Non-mouse gun


19 posted on 05/31/2010 7:21:27 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: wbarmy
I was (along with two others) on the very first orders cut on Yokota AFB awarding the USAF Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon. (Ribbon availability was announced at Friday PM Commander's call. I worked third shift, so I grabbed my M2 Carbine and headed for the range first thing after work Saturday AM...)

I'm still OK with those iron peep sights -- but that EOTech will spoil you -- in a big hurry!!!

20 posted on 05/31/2010 7:44:41 PM PDT by TXnMA
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To: CapnJack

Now that I’ve escaped urban MA and retired out here in the TX boonies, I’d love to trade several pieces of my no-longer-needed “urban hardware” for one of those — even in semiauto only...!


21 posted on 05/31/2010 8:02:41 PM PDT by TXnMA
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To: Travis McGee
I love the holographic sights. There are two generations. The later ones have a lower mass battery so they can handle living on top of a big bore revolver. Either variety is good on a rifle. The ones with AA batteries are easy to service in the field. Really good for "spinners" at the range. Can't use them for hunting in Idaho as they are considered "electronic", thus forbidden. Pity.
22 posted on 05/31/2010 8:21:53 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin; Squantos

What I like most abuot them are the “run and gun” qualities described at reply 9.


23 posted on 06/01/2010 4:43:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Order is in from felloffatruckareus....


24 posted on 06/01/2010 9:52:11 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: SampleMan

An 30 isn’t as a 50.....where does it end ?

over my career I have been lucky to carry my choice of M4 or M1A.....each has its merits.

Just my experience.

Stay Safe !


25 posted on 06/01/2010 10:06:18 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: SampleMan

Do you somehow think the .223 vs. favorite-caliber-here argument hasn’t been beaten to death unto a dark stain on the carpet long long ago?

We don’t need to go there again when it’s not the topic of this thread.


26 posted on 06/01/2010 10:11:37 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Squantos; Myrddin

Some folks like Aimpoints better, and they have their qualities, such as 1,000,000 year battery life.

But I like the combo of outer circle to bracket the target FAST, with a 1 MOA center dot for accurate work.

Aimpoints have a 3 or 4 MOA dot, only.

Not saying Aimpoint is better for everybody......it’s a matter of personal pref.


27 posted on 06/01/2010 12:55:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ctdonath2

Oh, don’t be a wet blanket. If it wasn’t for 223 vs 308 and 9mm vs 45, would there even be a reason for the internet?

(Just kidding.)


28 posted on 06/01/2010 12:57:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Myrddin

Have you used any of the “micro” red dots on revolvers? In my next book I have a character with a .357. He’s almost broke, so money is an issue. I’ve been wavering between conventional adjustable target sights on his SW 686, vs a micro red dot. He will make a great impossible shot from a moving car.


29 posted on 06/01/2010 1:00:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
If it wasn’t for 223 vs 308 and 9mm vs 45, would there even be a reason for the internet?

Porn?

30 posted on 06/01/2010 1:00:06 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Don’t go there!


31 posted on 06/01/2010 1:01:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah I have an acog ta31d and a Comp M Aimpoint now an the night vision works very well for yotes with my comp M.

acog is my 3 gun match rig for now . It has the docter on top, good quick transition.


32 posted on 06/01/2010 1:02:44 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

You know those guys from felloffatruck too? I love those guys.

Don’t be shocked if you hate the EOTech. Or love it to death. It’s like Glock vs 1911, or Ford vs Chevy, between EOTech and Aimpoint. Some of my Aimpoint loving friends think I’m queer or a commie for liking my EOTech. It’s almost a religious schism thing.

But NOBODY is for iron sights except as a backup. Nobody.

You know this shit much better than me, shooting 3 gun matches.


33 posted on 06/01/2010 1:05:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Joe Brower

See 32. You rich guys and your ACOGs. When the revolution comes, we are going to take them away. It just ain’t fair.


34 posted on 06/01/2010 1:08:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
I wanted an ACOG but just couldn't swing it financially. Plus there was like a 2 month wait as the military was taking every one they could get their hands on.

So I 'settled' for an Aimpoint Comp ML2. I frigging love it.

I'm sure I'd love the EOtech just the same and an ACOG even more but...

You know what else I love? My Bushnell Red Dot. It was less than 50 bucks. So I bought three. One's on my Mossberg. One's on Mrs. L's Mini-14. The other is a backup.

For the price I consider them disposable. And I file them under "BTN".

Better than nothing...

35 posted on 06/01/2010 1:47:57 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Travis McGee
Oh, don’t be a wet blanket. If it wasn’t for 223 vs 308 and 9mm vs 45, would there even be a reason for the internet?

Harumph. I just don't think you're giving the .45-70 its due here!

:)

36 posted on 06/01/2010 1:54:20 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA. FUBO.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

37 posted on 06/01/2010 2:05:48 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Travis McGee
I have two ACOGs. So there. $:-)

I really like the EOTech, too. But like I said, on those really sunny Florida days in open ground, that illuminated reticle just disappears, turning the sight into a big ghost ring.

To my eyes, anyway.

38 posted on 06/01/2010 2:24:29 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

I need to take it out on a REALLY bright sunny day and test it. Maybe aim at the sun or sumthin. Probly that sun you got down in SW FL is a lot brighter than up here in Florgia.


39 posted on 06/01/2010 5:16:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Lurker

Way BTN!


40 posted on 06/01/2010 5:17:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
I get accused of being a tightwad all the time but I figure I'd rather have 3 of something that's 'pretty damned good' than one of the 'ideal' tool.

Now that doesn't mean I won't plunk down my hard earned Lurker Bucks for the best I can get. Like I said I've got one of them Aimpoint jobbies and it's amazing.

But I couldn't afford two so when I ran across those Bushnells I did a bit of thinking. Always dangerous where I'm concerned I know, but I did it anyway.

So for about 150 or so IIRC I got three of them red dot thingies and if one craps out or gets wrecked, it's NBD. They certainly aren't Aimpoints or ACOG's, but they weren't 400-600 dollars a piece.

Besides putting one of those on a Mini-14, Mossberg, or AK is a bit like putting lipstick on a pig. LOL

Mrs. L loves the Bushnell arrangement I put on her Mini. And you know what? It works "pretty damned good".

And I put the money I saved into ammo and extra mags. Some folks may disagree with the choices I've made. That's their right. But I like to think I've done about the best I could all things considered.

41 posted on 06/01/2010 6:01:53 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

It works for me!


42 posted on 06/01/2010 6:59:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

I just keep my jade elephant with me at work or competion.....

I don’t want to see the real one again...

Btw got yer email....will read when I get off travel.....freepin with a smarthone is BS !


43 posted on 06/01/2010 7:47:10 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee

I mounted an EOTech on my Swiss Army Knife and now it won’t fit in my pocket and when I throw it I still can’t hit $hit!


44 posted on 06/01/2010 8:07:07 PM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: ctdonath2
We don’t need to go there again when it’s not the topic of this thread.

I was responding to you doing just that.

45 posted on 06/02/2010 2:21:38 PM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: Squantos
An 30 isn’t as a 50.....where does it end ?

Very thorough research by the British came to the conclusion that a 7mm bullet with a medium sized cartridge was the best military round to balance all requirements.
A very thorough study by the US Army in this last decade came to the same conclusion. The 6.8mm on a smaller cartridge was developed, but the optimum round was too long for the .223 AR action, thus necessitating a totally new rifle. This option was considered too expensive.

Although the British designed a new rifle and cartridge in 1913, they held off because of the immediacy of WWI and then held off again because they had so much sunk cost in the .303 and the Enfield rifle was ill suited for higher pressure rounds.

By 1890 the .303 was an obsolete cartridge, yet the British kept using it for another 60 years. I think that we have done the same thing.

And yes I'm aware that a lot of people have been killed with obsolete cartridges.

46 posted on 06/02/2010 2:40:23 PM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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