Consider for a minute that your premise is wrong. Then what?
Posted on 06/11/2010 5:49:03 PM PDT by USALiberty
Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor anyone else has shown that the man meets that requirement (setting aside the other two in the Article). He has never shown himself to be eligible to hold the office he now occupies. The man is putatively your Commander-in-Chief and certainly, that means if he is not legally that, then your actions in helping to shield him grossly violate the black letter law of our country, as does his promulgation of orders, funding, etc. for all of the military – you included. His waging of war (whether declared or undeclared) is not valid if he is not legally eligible to hold the office, and much of that sort of reasoning, along with the pretense of underlings such as you in carrying out all orders from on high without question, is what the Nuremberg Trials were all about after World War II. Perhaps you are too young to remember those, but I am not.
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In paragraph 5, you speak of “facially proper” orders given to the defendant as though that were some inarguable justification for your rulings. It is not, since, as should be obvious to you, the orders given to the defendants at Nuremberg were also “facially proper,” but despite that, several of those being tried were executed. You should keep that in mind as you seek to violate the mandatory language for Presidential eligibility in the Constitution. It does not say the man SHOULD BE but rather that he SHALL BE a “natural born Citizen,” which is a particular term of art in that document. In the military legal proceeding at hand, you are not being asked to prove or disprove the Constitutional eligibility of the putative President, but merely that evidence be gathered and presented to the court on that matter.
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The top brass is doing its job and that job has absolutely NOTHING to do with questioning the legitimacy of a duly elected President. Not a thing.
IF you care so much about the Constitution then you would know that. I can’t imagine any Constitutional role for the military in this situation other than to say Yes, Sir.
From what I can gather, proving one is eligible involves making your original birth certificate public. Has any President done so? Could we just as easily say Bush and Clinton didn't show themselves to be eligible either?
What are your comparisons like when you factor in the risks involved between the private sector and the military?
What are your comparisons like when you compare the repetitive deployments around the globe compared to a private sector employee going home every night to his/her family?
What are your comparisons like when you factor in the fact that you can sit on your fat ass and mock the volunteers who, although they may be joining for the bennies, have assumed the responsibilities of their positions and perform their jobs with an immense amount of skill and pride that help to keep your sorry ass safe?
And yeah, I'm a veteran. A veteran who didn't join for bennies. I joined to get my sorry ass straightened out and to learn a skill, it ended up being a career because it turned into something I loved.
If you have such a damn problem with the bennies and compensation we're getting, take it up with Congress.
Then you are in agreement that their level of benefits is superior to that which most people get in the private sector? I never said they don’t deserve it, just that it’s disingenuous to pretend like they aren’t well compensated for their service. While some do get killed (see the link I posed earlier in the thread), the vast majority are never put in actual physical danger. The hardships of enlisting associated with foreign deployments and long hours are well known prior to enlistment.
If jobs paid by hazards then ironworkers and road crews would get more than CEO’s, but we both know that risk has nothing to do with compensation.
There really does seem to be a see no evil, hear no evil syndrome going on here. I was/am hoping that someone with some cahonies will step up to the plate and take some appropriate action. However, I am not holding my breath. I believe that most of the senior officers are operating in the political mode vice serving the US. Notice folks, I said senior officers O 6 and above not lower ranks and enlisted rates. A war is required to bring out the capable officers.
You ought to run down to the local recruiting office an join up. There's a war on, time to get off the sidelines and get in the game.
Consider for a minute that your premise is wrong. Then what?
RE: right in my little bootcamp face for the better part of a year
Wow, I’m impressed. A whole freakin’ year. < /sarcasm>
Hazardous professions such as iron workers, construction crews, electricians, etc. Here's a list of the top 20 most hazardous jobs. All of them are voluntary, and many have a higher per capita death rate then the military:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-08/the-20-most-dangerous-jobs/
“What are your comparisons like when you compare the repetitive deployments around the globe compared to a private sector employee going home every night to his/her family?”
Irrelevant. People know that's part of the deal when they volunteer for service.
“What are your comparisons like when you factor in the fact that you can sit on your fat ass and mock the volunteers who, although they may be joining for the bennies, have assumed the responsibilities of their positions and perform their jobs with an immense amount of skill and pride that help to keep your sorry ass safe?”
I haven't mocked anyone. I do like to actually look into claims made by others and sometimes they aren't what they seem. That's the case with people who claim that the enlisted men are under compensated.
I have no problem with your bennies, only with the whining that they aren't enough for people who volunteered with eyes wide open. Too many people exploit their service to the country as a means to personal enrichment, back patting, and benefits grubbing long into retirement instead of the privilege it is.
RE: “I have no problem with your bennies, only with the whining that they aren’t enough for people who volunteered with eyes wide open. Too many people exploit their service to the country as a means to personal enrichment, back patting, and benefits grubbing long into retirement instead of the privilege it is.”
Yeah those money grabbing military types, to hell with them < /sarcasm>
Do you wake up a dumb ass every day or is today special?
Bump to read more silly comments posted by ignoramuses later.
And that's not even counting the people like me who cycled through without staying for retirement.
That and health care for you and your wife for life.
Yes. That was sarcasm.
Wasn’t there a rumor about that happening under Clinton (around the time he went to Haiti?)
Yes the military does have some decent benefits. And yes, we did volunteer for service.
The length of your work day doesn’t matter as you volunteered for that job.
That is a pretty ignorant statement. Most people in America believe in an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. Ergo, the compensation needs to be at a level to entice workers, but still affordable to the employer. Sure the gov't "could" pay each servicemember $500,000 a year salaries, but I don't think the taxpayers would stand for it. Also, they could offer to pay everyone $10,00 a year and no medical, but no one would join. And, most folks I know in the private sector that do international travel, get paid rather well (a lot more than me) and receive rather lucrative benefits.
Yes, of course I have "free medical" that is provided primarily by unlicensed practitioners and medical suppliers that are the lowest bidder. Trust me ask most folks int the Marines about "motrin and water." Motrin and water can fix ANYTHING. Sprained ankle? Motrin and water. Amputated leg? Motrin and water. Pregnant? Motrin and water. And I'm sure you are just dying to live 3 too a room in condemed barraks that don't even reach the standards of project housing.
Say, on your day job when was the last time you encountered machinegun fire, sniper fire, mortar fire, improvised explosive devices, vehicle borne improvised explosive devices, suicide vehicle borne improvised explosive devices, land mines, rocket propelled grenade fire, hand grenades, or buildings rigged to explode?
I'd definitely love to see your private sector comparison. Also, if you could show me the pay/benefit scale for private companies that send folks to Iraq/Afghanistan for 7 months out of every year....for a total of 4 trips in 5 years. Or maybe those that send you over seas for 12 months, extend it to 15 months, and then finally extend it to 18 months. I'm pretty sure that most "private companies" with these deployment rates would be government contractors..... most of which have starting salries of $95,000 for a seven month stint; oh yeah AND an incentive to finish your entire tour.
But definitely, I'd like to see your comparison. Show me someone in the private sector that has 4 deployments to Iraq and has been wounded by terrorists (still walking around with the shrapnel), I'd like to shake their hand.
Heck, I'll even let you use a local public sector employee. Let's compare what police officers (and their unions) in major metropolitan areas make compared to the average servicememan?
About the only thing that the military folks have better is the post 9/11 GI Bill that can be transfered to a spouse or child (after 6 years minimum service).
Internet connection - $70 a month.
Laptop computer - $950
Being able to exercise your free speech and demonstrate your envy of benefits received by men better than yourself that fight for your right to do so - Priceless.
The 20 years = 48% of base pay for retirement for an E7 who retired in 2003 is about $1500 per month(state and federal taxed). Then the DV offset shaves off whatever amount of non-taxable disability pay one gets, penny for penny. There are other voluntary deductions one can make, like paying for SBP which only guarantees your surviving spouse 55% of that retirement check upon your death. The military has a way of giving and then taking away.
When I lived in military housing, my family lived in termite and roach infested homes that were, on average, over 35 years old.Though much of that is changing now.
About the only real bennies outside of my retirement check I get right now as a disabled retiree is the modest insurance premiums I pay to TRI-Care, the commissary and base exchange privileges.
The education bennies are there not only to encourage enlistment, but primarily to encourage a highly educated force. The technology the services are using today require very smart people.
The servicemember rec'd many health bennies in order to keep them healthy and ready to deploy at a moments notice. It wasn't a “bennie” in the true sense of the word, it had a purpose.
The insurance is underwritten by the military because many insurance companies will not assume the risk of writing policies for military member. Those who will, charge exorbitant fees.
Getting killed isn't the only risk. Working around hazardous equipment and chemicals on a daily basis presents ever present risks of maiming and serious injury with long term effects. (Hazardous chemicals and materials is what got me.)
Would I say they're superior to the private sector? No. The private sector has so many options available to them to entice potential employees and to retain those they want to keep. Vacation, automatic raises, bonuses, instant promotions, health insurance, etc. If an employee doesn't like their job, they can walk away. Not so in the military. The military has to get budget and approval before they can do that, and that's after they pay for their overhead (performing their primary missions).
There are those who use the military solely to satiate their lust for power and prestige. I know, I worked with and for some of them. But they are a minority when compared to the vast numbers who serve humbly and with an immense amount of pride and duty to country.
BS! The United States is not Germany in the 1930's. Our officers take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not the President (Commander in Chief). 85% of the officers despise this Fraud. Yes there are blind carreer guys, but many more Patriots.
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That’s not free. Although the premiums are modest, we pay. Co-pays and deductibles are also applicable.
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