"I, blah, blah, blah,....as President, blah,blah,blah....I want,blah,blah,blah,.....Bush,blah,blah,blah....."
Posted on 06/15/2010 5:50:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler
His failure is not stopping the leak, but the lack of urgency in containing and cleaning it up.
Obama has compared the gulf oil spill crisis to 9-11, but imagine if Rudy after 9-11 decided to go golfing, partying and on vacation for the next 55 days.
I’m VERY inclined to agree with the premise of the book.
I would have more confidence in these figures if the names of these compounds had been spelled correctly.
You might check with the original poster, as I've known posters to mistype or misspell words by accident. It doesn't affect what the poster is trying to say, except that they just did a typo. I just copied it straight from the other FReeper who put it on a thread.
I wouldn't want to second guess the situation with that other FReeper ... :-)
[ ... I could have clean up the spelling, but I hesitate to do that for other FReepers and like to leave it exactly as they typed it... although I did change the formatting slightly ... but that's a different situation than typing ...]
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The point made is that some government agency has a list of BP citations and the BP response to those citations. Why hasn't it been made public?
I guess since no one here is willing to address the original question other than a link to a book, I will go by what is presented in the marketing material.
God's everlasting promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel is still in effect today. Throughout its history, America has been in a unique position to bless the Jewish people, and has experienced many blessings as a result. In more recent years, however, America has failed to consistently stand by Israel and suffered dramatic disasters.
And this must be connected to the unsubstantiated assertion later..."Gods everlasting promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel is still in effect today."
So I open up my Scriptures looking for those "blessing" and "cursing" passages. Honestly, the only ones I see that might have any bearing are in Genesis 12:3 where God make a covenant with Abram, and later where Abram extends this to His son Isaac in 27:29. Now the promise is made to Abram by God, and in a culture that passes on blessings and cursings as part of a ritual, Abraham passes the torch to Isaac. In each case the language is pretty clear that the blessings and cursings are individually directed. That is, if one offends Abraham, then that person is cursed. Dittos with the sentiment being passed on to Isaac. It would take gratuitous eisegesis to extend this magic talisman to a secular nation and have the effects apply to whole nations, and I'm afraid William Koenig makes this fallacy a foundational part of his premise.
But lets pretend that we don't really care about proper hermeneutics and thousands of years of orthodox understanding of this covenant, and just believe that a magic spell exists over this secular nation that was destroyed by God and scattered throughout the world in 70AD.
The primary arguments of this book, when isolated from history and thousands of years of contradictory evidence look compelling and I can see how it can easily persuade the naive and gullible. I mean, I don't have a calendar handy, but did we diss Israel when Hurricane Gilbert crashed into Galveston? The Chicago or San Francisco Fire? Heck, what did we do to Israel to merit our involvements in WWI and WWII?
Honestly, this looks like good old fashioned America bashing. It is a cultural psychological sickness that has been going on for a generation or so and I find it depressing to see an increase of Evangelicals willing to join the usual cadre of Progressives, Marxists and other malcontents in fantasies of America and Americans being punished. I mean, the US is Israel's only friend on the planet, yet Europe, China, Russia and every other place on Earth can orchestrate all kinds of horrific charges and plans against Israel, but for some odd reason, God hasn't chosen these largely corrupt, God hating nations for specific catastrophies.
Seriously, if the US is such a bad guy, why do the Muslims target this nation and label it as the "Great Satan" specifically because of our strong relationship with the nation of Israel? We must be doing something right.
But let us return to Genesis 12:3. Doesn't the covenant also include the very important statement "and in you all the nations of the earth shall be blessed". Notice the language, the blessings and cursings are individual when a person curses Abraham or blesses Abraham. And when we read the Genesis narrative, we see this fact play out. But when we get to the last part, the part that always seems to be deleted from these America basher's proof-texts, it says that the nations would be blessed. And in Jesus Christ, as predicted by the Prophet Joel, all nations, did indeed become blessed by the Death and Resurrection of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Gentiles have been grafted in to the tree of the true Israel.
I seriously hope you don't plan on playing the Deuteronomy 30 card. Rather I would still love to see this alleged doctrine, and I would like to see even the slightest bit of evidence that this magic spell still exists over the secular nation of Israel.
#1 The US has no criminal jurisdiction if the rig is further than 20 miles off shore, except via Law of the Sea treaties, and Corporate licensing inside the USA itself.Yet it sent a para military Swat team.
Well, when I was looking up who had authority over what areas and how far out, I came up with the following blurb in one article.
Background: The debate over offshore oil drilling heated up in 2008 when then President George W. Bush lifted a 1990 executive order banning offshore drilling. The ban was ordered by his father, George H.W. Bush. Lifting the ban was mostly symbolic, as there was previous 1981 ban that was still in place, which Congress allowed to expire in September 2008, but left the 1990 executive order in place.
In 2010 a deadly explosion at an oil rig has caused the Obama administration to put the recently announced expansion into offshore drilling for oil and gas on hold. Some politicians and environmental advocates are calling on the president to halt any planned expansions until more safeguards are put into place against future disasters.
The Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution gives the federal government authority over most offshore exploration for industrial as well as scientific purposes. A 1960 Supreme Court decision in United States v. Louisiana (et.al.) divided ownership of the tidelands of the United States between the state and federal governments. The states have authority over the sea and seabed out to 3.5 nautical miles (except Texas and Florida which control the seabed out to 10.5 nautical miles). The federal government controls the rest out to 200 nautical miles.
Now, if the Federal Government can have banned offshore drilling from an Executive Order from the first President Bush, and then have the previous President Bush (just before Obama) lift that Executive Order, it would seem that the Federal Government has real effective control over all drilling.
And that article says the control goes 200 miles out.
It would seem to me that since the Federal Government controls all that, and to 200 miles out, and how much in royalties that the oil companies pay -- that there's not going to be very much problem dealing with criminal activity ... :-)
And you don't see a pattern here? Its laughable.You are either the most gullible person on FR, or a closet OBOT.
Sorry, I didn't vote for Obama, but the GOP ticket... and I figure I did a whole heck of a lot better in voting for the GOP ticket than quite a few FReepers I've seen posting here who didn't vote for the GOP, and helped Obama get into office. I would take a look at them, first -- before looking at someone who voted for the GOP ticket ... LOL ...
And as far as BP is concerned, they're sure acting like a criminal organization, by killing so many of their employees, back even during the Bush Administration. And between the Bush Administration and the Obama Administration, BP has had about 760 safety violations, as compared to Exxon with only one (and some others with only a few, just enough to count on the fingers of one hand).
The other oil companies are already pointing the finger at BP saying that they did not follow good procedures and from the looks of their violations, I can see what type of company BP is, and also from them killing so many of their employees during the Bush Administration.
The other oil companies don't like "getting a black eye" from the stuff that BP has been doing for years. It makes the rest of them look real bad and they're "going after" BP now, as I can see in their testimony.
From a referenced article, in this post -- Post #4 ...
It definitely shows "how BP operates" ... :-)
I mean, the US is Israel's only friend on the planet, yet Europe, China, Russia and every other place on Earth can orchestrate all kinds of horrific charges and plans against Israel, but for some odd reason, God hasn't chosen these largely corrupt, God hating nations for specific catastrophies.
I'll look up some other reference for you in regards to what you were saying ... as there is much out there about it. This is "standard" Evangelical fare and nothing unusual... so I wouldn't look at this as "off-the-wall" or anything like that. You personally may think so, but it's not so in Evangelical circles.
And as far as the support Israel has from the U.S. -- well, that will be disappearingin the coming months and years, depending on how long it is before the 7-year Tribulation starts, at which time the Antichrist is revealed and the 7-year peace agreement/treaty (or enforced treaty, however you want to present it) is done.
Israel will stand alone, with all the nations of the world against her and that will include the United States, too. And the United States will be judged just like all the other nations in the world.
You can see the U.S. moving away from supporting Israel and since the Oslo Accords, the U.S. has put pressure on Israel to "divide the land" which goes totally against what God says about that, and God says some very harsh things about those who try to divide the land of Israel -- which the U.S. is engaged in right now.
I don’t know whether it was the poster or the original report ... sometimes those things can be the poster ... one should check ... and that’s why I don’t change anything that comes from another poster ...
FReepers have been quoting and posting the "Oil Drum" articles repeatedly and quite consistently here on Free Republic. You'll find a whole slug of articles explaining this situation on the Oil Drum ...
BP’s political donations have favored the Democrats, especially BHO, in the last year or two.
People reference the Exxon Valdez spill, the majority shareholder in Aleyeska Pipeline is BP and BP in effect was responsible for the initial response to the tanker’s spill - the required equipment was not available (as it should have been) and after a few days of fustercluck Exxon stepped up to the plate and took over.
Obama totally blew it and meeting BP's chief for a few minutes for the first time several weeks later is something the media should be getting hysterical over - - - but don't hold your breath, The Won is also a (nominal) Dem.
How ? Please explain.
I notice that whenever democrats bring up this renewable energy independence crap elected Republicans never respond with “We were already lied to about that and wasted billions on that polluting inefficient ethanol hoax”. My only guess is that Republicans never bring this up because it was passed under Bush and promoted by Bush as a large step to energy independence.
This is a shame because ethanol was 10s of billions of dollars down a rat-hole and even environmentalists disown it as bad and yet elected Republicans wont mention it as an example of the false dream of an alternative non-carbon fuel. Ethanol was the “Big Lie”.
I was just saying the same thing, it is like he is from an alternate reality. He is EXTREMELY strange.
"I, blah, blah, blah,....as President, blah,blah,blah....I want,blah,blah,blah,.....Bush,blah,blah,blah....."
1. This is not 911 or Pearl Harbor, not the WOT or WWII, and any indication that it is cheapens the lives murdered in these atrocities. This is an oil spill. It’s Exxon Valdez huge, only mammoth.
2. This speech is so full of finger-pointing, back-stabbing, and blame shifting that I had to send in an order for body armor.
3. I suspect the “millions” of feet laid is actually “millions” of feet drug. 5 million feet = 1000 miles. In short, someone needs to fact check.
4. Burn it and suck it up. That’s struck me as the best solution from the get-go, and it’s not been done due to an extreme lack of leadership.
5. Funny thing, Obama gets to be his revisionist own Monday morning quarterback.
6. Clean coal, shale oil, natural gas, etc. The idea that fossil fuels are a thing of the past is ridiculous. And we have plenty of oil.
7. Solar/wind/geo/conservation: sure, bring them on in a real market approach. They must pay for themselves. Quit the gov’t subsidies so it can be determined how much they actually cost. Actually add up their by-products, wastes, etc., to see what THEIR environmental downside is.
8. Batteries technology really isn’t that hot, and they are dirty and costly.
Ohaha’s speech reeked of Rahm and Axelrod’s political calculations.
Some of the phrases used-—the allusion to our fighting men, etc——the Reaganesque “God Bless America”——show the WH mob had calculatedly written the speech using focus-grouped phrases intended to suck Ohaha out of the political sinkhole he’s made for himself.
In fact, the speech was so well-rehearsed, even down to the orchestrated voice inflections-——that Ohaha must have channelled Lee Strassberg.
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