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'Journolist' Affair Worse Than Clinton Conspiracy
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Posted on 07/23/2010 11:54:37 PM PDT by Def Conservative

Today's journalism scandal involving liberal media members of the invitation-only "Journolist" listserv discussing ways to help 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama or discredit his press critics is far more organized than the Clinton era "vast right-wing media conspiracy," according to former Clinton aides.

While the two media conspiracies have been compared since the listserv E-mails started appearing on the Daily Caller website, former Clinton aides say that there is one major difference between the two. Unlike the current scandal, reporters with conservative media back in the 1990s were competitive and didn't share story ideas.

What's more, the Journolist affair threatens to further undermine media credibility, especially with Republican organizations who tell us that they are reconsidering their relationship with reporters and news organizations on the Journolist listserv that was taken down when it became public.

"Do I think that there are potential issues with that if you get people trying to take particular positions and organize them because that ultimately undermines the objectivity of the media and the sense of independence, yeah," says former Clinton aide Chris Lehane.

(Excerpt) Read more at politics.usnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ezraklein; journolist; media; obama; spencerackerman

1 posted on 07/23/2010 11:54:40 PM PDT by Def Conservative
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To: Def Conservative

Journolist is a terrible scandal!

They didn’t invite any of us at US News. :(


2 posted on 07/23/2010 11:58:37 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Def Conservative

Another example of collectivism not working. It breeds corruption.


3 posted on 07/23/2010 11:59:48 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: Def Conservative

Most in the “Media” should suffer for their complacency in the downfall and coming suffering of innocents of this great United States of America.

An informed people can make judicious decisions; a people kept ignorant cannot remain free.


4 posted on 07/24/2010 12:04:50 AM PDT by unkus
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To: Def Conservative

“According to reports about Journolist, center-left media members”

Almost stopped reading right there. Wish I would have. The rest of the story could be summed up thus: “It’s the Internet’s fault.”

Knew the leftist hacks at US “News” couldn’t be honest about the Journomarist scandal. All they are doing here is trying to get ahead of the story to control the narrative.

Nest step: Blame Bush, Cheney, Fox, or all three...


5 posted on 07/24/2010 12:10:09 AM PDT by piytar (Another day in obama's "America." Another day in the march to fascism...)
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To: Def Conservative

Mmmmhhhhh,

compare a real journalistic conspiracy to a figment of Hilary’s immagination - yep, thats good reporting!


6 posted on 07/24/2010 12:14:59 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Def Conservative

My my my, Hillary sure is calling in all her favors isn’t she?

What has been looked over in this story is Hillary getting the short end of the stick by these journalists as they worked to get Obama elected and discredit Palin. And this at a time when the Clinton’s were thought to own the media.

Funny how the drib drab is slowly coming out from the Clinton camp about Obama. From their friends at the Globe running Obama B/C reports, to Bill getting media coverage slamming Obama’s policies while seeming to still be supportive, reports running on how Hillary had the DNC nomination stolen from her and now the Clinton’s coming out against journalists coordinating to help a Dem candidate.

I’m popping lots of popcorn for next year - watching the Clinton machine take on Obama’s when he’s slowly turning into a wounded tyrant will be worth watching. Almost as good as seeing which journalists remain in his pocket after being outed for propagandist they are.


7 posted on 07/24/2010 12:16:00 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Def Conservative

NO, its even simpler than that- the JournoList was an ACTUAL conspiracy, the ‘vast right wing conspiracy’ was IMAGINARY


8 posted on 07/24/2010 12:27:13 AM PDT by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed (<---oops! see?))
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To: Brytani

“At the time of the Clinton media conspiracy it would have been a firing offense to talk about story coordination with anybody else, mostly because of the more competitive nature at the time.”

Don’t even tell me that, that didn’t happen! I will never, ever, ever believe it didn’t happen.

Remember the Billary picture dancing in the Caribbean right before the Monica story broke? Remember the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy quotes? Remember the “gravitas” quotes about Cheney? Rush has aired the coordination of the political class and media “talking points” for quite some time.

This is not rocket science, nor is it clairvoyance. They have “coordinated” for very long time...for at least 60 years...even though the JournoList listserve hasn’t been around that long

I believe that this story is driven by Hillaryites, and one of them gave Tucker the emails.


9 posted on 07/24/2010 12:31:17 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: dixiechick2000

We’ve always known the media has coordinated what they report, anyone who doubted this was either a idiot or a DU poster!

You may be right, in fact, I’d say it’s pretty probable that it was a Hillary supporter who outed the list. Only liberals who towed the line were allowed in and I’m positive many of them were Hillary supporters.

It does fit with what I’ve been seeing lately; the Clinton’s managing to get all sorts of positive press that just happens to be damaging to Obama. Could it be the Clinton’s have moved from the “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy” to seeing Obama the real enemy (not that they won’t come after us once he’s been crushed)?

I’m sure the media will let us know is perfectly coordinated reports....


10 posted on 07/24/2010 12:41:32 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Brytani
Funny how the drib drab is slowly coming out from the Clinton camp about Obama. From their friends at the Globe running Obama B/C reports, to Bill getting media coverage slamming Obama’s policies while seeming to still be supportive, reports running on how Hillary had the DNC nomination stolen from her and now the Clinton’s coming out against journalists coordinating to help a Dem candidate.

Worth repeating. How organized. I think we should lock them into an arena and give them all flame throwers. I'd buy popcorn for that.
11 posted on 07/24/2010 12:46:16 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Brytani

The formation of the JournoList group was just formalizing the coordination between some in the media, education and op-ed elite wannabes.

Believe me when I tell you that there are Hillaryites who are fuming at the crooked way that Obama ran his campaign. Right now, they are smelling blood, and they won’t let go.

The sad thing for this country is that, should she decide to challenge him again, she might just win this time. The other side doesn’t see her as being as big a Marxist and Alinskyite as Obama is...which she is.

“I’m sure the media will let us know is perfectly coordinated reports....”

LOL! I’m sure you are right, but will they be believed this time?

They will have to tear down the Annointed One, first.


12 posted on 07/24/2010 12:55:17 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: Brytani
And this at a time when the Clinton’s were thought to own the media.

Was that not one of the biggest stories in the Democrat primary? How the MSM abandoned Hillary as soon as it became apparent she was vulnerable?

En masse, they began piling on, competing for who could do the most damage.

The phenomenon revealed one thing for sure: The MSM knew the Clintons had used them...and they resented it.

13 posted on 07/24/2010 1:34:12 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: unkus

I don’t understand why conservative businessmen don’t get into media. Who or what is stopping them?


14 posted on 07/24/2010 1:43:45 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: okie01

Or those is the media believed Obama would be easier to own then Hillary - he was an unknown on the national scene. I’d not put it past power-hungry journalists to think they held as much power with Hillary as they were ever going to get and Obama gave them the opportunity to own another politician.

Now they’ve learned he can’t be owned. He has no loyalty except to himself. He’s not going to let the media control him or his policies and they resent him for it.

I’ve not made up my mind if pro-Hillary journalists are gaining more power or if the media has finally sickened of Barack. Something is going on though.


15 posted on 07/24/2010 2:01:53 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: dixiechick2000

Hillary is patient if nothing else and she did put herself in a good position. By working for the Admin they can’t throw the charge that she’s not loyal and it may help lessen the racist charge effectively used against her during the election.

You are right, she’s more dangerous than Obama is in many ways and what makes her dangerous is most American’s don’t know her radical background or her marxist beliefs.


16 posted on 07/24/2010 2:09:08 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: PA Engineer
...Worth repeating. How organized. I think we should lock them into an arena and give them all flame throwers. I'd buy popcorn for that.


I agree with that

17 posted on 07/24/2010 3:17:44 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Brytani
"I’m popping lots of popcorn for next year - watching the Clinton machine take on Obama’s when he’s slowly turning into a wounded tyrant will be worth watching."

Yep the clinton's smell blood...that is when they are at their best...

18 posted on 07/24/2010 3:27:18 AM PDT by Gone_Postal
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To: Brytani
"I’m popping lots of popcorn for next year - watching the Clinton machine take on Obama’s when he’s slowly turning into a wounded tyrant will be worth watching."

Yep the clinton's smell blood...that is when they are at their best...they want back ..lets pray this is the end of both clinton and obama...

19 posted on 07/24/2010 3:28:26 AM PDT by Gone_Postal
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To: Brytani

The foremost thing to remember is that Hillary is a creature of New York City. Period. It is her power base. It is not a conspiracy theory to state that her ultimate base is the secular Jewish community in particular.

Barack Obama has gone a little too far for their tastes in kissing Muslim butt. He is unreliable for looking out for their interests (political and commercial), unlike Hillary.

The Journolist exposure is part of the process of getting the press back onto the reservation. That includes the more radical Jewish reporters who made up the bulk of Journolist.


20 posted on 07/24/2010 3:37:24 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: huldah1776

Sam Zell bought the Tribune but it turned out to be a bad deal. Business principles and liberal media/propaganda dissemination are mutually exclusive goals.


21 posted on 07/24/2010 4:06:36 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Shakey Jake said, " The hippies will never survive!")
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To: Def Conservative

bump


22 posted on 07/24/2010 4:07:17 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Def Conservative

Once again, instead of admitting it’s a Democrat thing, they pull in Republicans, accusing of things that didn’t happen....


23 posted on 07/24/2010 4:45:29 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Def Conservative
Today's journalism scandal involving liberal media members of the invitation-only "Journolist" listserv discussing ways to help 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama or discredit his press critics is far more organized than the Clinton era "vast right-wing media conspiracy," according to former Clinton aides.

Well of course it's far more organized, considering the vast right-wing media conspiracy DIDN'T EXIST, was a figment of Hillary Clinton's imagination. Good grief.

24 posted on 07/24/2010 4:50:12 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Def Conservative

Oh please.

Lies and misrepresentations from the media are rooted in American history going back to the NYSlimes printing FAVORABLE articles about Nazi Germany.


25 posted on 07/24/2010 4:55:38 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Brytani

I think a lot of hillary supporters and hillary herself are probably just as pissed off realizing what a fraud was perpetrated on the public by these commies and the chirf pied piper obama himself.


26 posted on 07/24/2010 5:06:54 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: Carley
Lies and misrepresentations from the media are rooted in American history going back to the NYSlimes printing FAVORABLE articles about Nazi Germany.

Lies and misrepresentations from the media predate NYT's favorable articles about Nazi Germany by more than 200 years. The media nowadays is tame compared to what it was in the time of this nation's founding. Outright slander in those days was common.....

27 posted on 07/24/2010 5:10:13 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Def Conservative
Speaking of Chris Lehane, from 2000....

'Pearl Harbor Politics' Who's behind the Bush DUI story?

28 posted on 07/24/2010 5:13:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29. Over 250 roll call votes missed and counting...)
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To: Def Conservative

Frankly...if any of these clowns really knows WHO the ‘Bamster is...and that he is an unqualified presidential candidate, their collusion with the DNC to elect him, would make them and their organizations liable for fraud.


29 posted on 07/24/2010 5:33:14 AM PDT by mo
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To: huldah1776

I don’t understand why conservative businessmen don’t get into media. Who or what is stopping them?

They are out there creating jobs, producing wealth for themselves and others and building this society.


30 posted on 07/24/2010 6:06:38 AM PDT by HChampagne (I am not an AARP member and never will be.)
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To: Def Conservative

No comparison. The vast right-wing conspiracy was actually the gang that couldn’t shoot straight.


31 posted on 07/24/2010 6:16:49 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: Def Conservative

Chris Lehane.....A VILE voice from the past.


32 posted on 07/24/2010 6:48:28 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: mewzilla

Asa I said....Chris Lehane is VILE....and EVIL.


33 posted on 07/24/2010 6:49:52 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

Bill, Hillie, and Barry remind me of three scorpions in a bottle...


34 posted on 07/24/2010 6:51:37 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29. Over 250 roll call votes missed and counting...)
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To: Def Conservative
US News and World Report reporter Paul Betard wrote this story.

Bet he is one of the 400 on the Journolist!

Talk about the fox guarding the hen house! They get to not only be part of the scandal, but also be part of the cover up.

Note how they say the Journolist was made up of mostly columnists. Columnists are paid to have opinions. But not straight news reporters. The lie here is that these Journolist conspirators weren't straight news reporters. But they were! Many of them. And THEREIN lies the scandal.

Posing for your readers and viewers as a "just the facts" reporter while conspiring to smear Republicans and support democrats is just plain fraud. Even if only a small percentage overall were straight news reporters, it is a terrible thing to do and stabs the credibility of the media right in the heart. Who can you trust to tell the truth? Not any reporter who was on Journolist! Since they won't release the list of names of who was, we can only conclude that any reporter was.

But they'll do whatever they can to mislead the reader away from that honest and despicable conclusion.

35 posted on 07/24/2010 7:05:58 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: huldah1776
Why should a new businessman invest in a dying market?

The physical plant required to support a traditional media outlet, print, voice, or video, is massive. Plus you have to be willing to lose money for years before you show a profit.

But, conservative businessmen (well actually women) are getting into the media world. They are bypassing the physical media and going directly digital. That is why the liberal/progressive/socialist/democrats want to put a “kill switch” on the Internet.

36 posted on 07/24/2010 7:09:02 AM PDT by Nip (Arizona Immigration Law - the case heard around the world!)
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To: Thermalseeker
The problem today is that sometime during the 1920’s onward, the media started to sell itself as non-partisan and unbiased; simple honest men who only wanted the truth to get out. The Associated Press was the main culprit in this, and they have spent the last 80 years trying to convince us that this is so.

You know your history well, but the last several decades of media manipulation was done under the guise of the myth of the “honest reporter”, set forth by Hollywood in the 1930s and 40s and people like Edward R Murrow, Walter Cronkite, and David Brinkley.

Most Americans in the last half of the 20th Century fell for it, and we're still suffering the ramifications today. It would be far, far better for us if we did go back to the openly partisan coverage of yesteryear. The modern myth is a great falsehood!

37 posted on 07/24/2010 7:13:15 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Carley

and before that....Stalin


38 posted on 07/24/2010 7:15:04 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: Def Conservative

Chris Lehane is the most honest of the people interviewed for this story. He specifically says the JournoList is fundamentally more dangerous than the alleged VRWC.

On another note, I do believe there should be a grassroots outcry for Republicans to refuse interviews or contacts with the media outlets who had their staff represented in the JournoList. If those staffers are not reprimanded (at the least) or fired, no interviews.

This is amazingly corrupt: The American media conspired to elect a president they refused to investigate (by investigating and falsely accusing anyone who would even look at BHO’s background).

Hitler would be so proud of Ezra Klein as would Stalin.


39 posted on 07/24/2010 7:19:07 AM PDT by comps4spice (The JournaList committed a conspiracy to elect BH Obama.)
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To: comps4spice
Don't believe Lehane for a SECOND!!

THE VWLC was 100 times more powerful in the 90's than the VWRC; they lied to get Clinton elected much like the MSM did for Obama.

Lehane is EVIL and Hillary would be worse than Obama because she works more slowly and isn't so obvious about what she is doing. BEWARE, BEWARE, BEWARE.

40 posted on 07/24/2010 8:12:34 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

Don’t get me wrong; I don’t believe Lehane. But the JournoList is something that actually happened/is happening. The VRWC was only alleged or from the mind of loony liberals.


41 posted on 07/24/2010 8:21:12 AM PDT by comps4spice (The JournaList committed a conspiracy to elect BH Obama.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe it's already been established some members of Journolist were also coordinated “NEWS” during the Clinton years.

The question isn't whether or not they were coordinating “NEWS”, but how long have they been coordinating the “NEWS”.

I have first hand knowledge the Rodney King story in 1991/92 was orchestrated to make the repubs. look bad and cover up for the dems, corruption.

42 posted on 07/24/2010 8:29:23 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Gone_Postal

Let’s hope Chelsea doesn’t decide to pick up the mantle of her parents - one generation of marxist Clinton’s has been ENOUGH!!!


43 posted on 07/24/2010 12:13:35 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: qwertypie

Oh yea mean those “f*cking Jews!!” Hillary screeched about? lol.

Well, if her highness needs to get liberal Jews back on the reservation she has a big problem.

They won’t do it because of Israel (most of them hate Israel with a passion) and they won’t do it because Obama is kissing too much Muslim rear-end. This may be their excuse but the real reason will be Obama failing to push forth the liberal plan of turning this country into a socialist/communist nation.

If they believe Hillary gives them a better shot at their socialist utopia they’ll get behind her again. If she fails to convince them of her ability to do this, they’ll look for the next history making candidate or simply stick with the anointed one.

In the end liberal Jews for the most part love to play at being Jewish but in the end would rather worship Marx/Lenin then the God of Abraham!


44 posted on 07/24/2010 12:22:11 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Informed Hillary supporters are still ticked off at how Hillary was treated during the campaign and how it was stolen from her. Uninformed former Hillary supporters were so wrapped up in making history by electing a black liberal President, they’ve forgotten their initial support of her.

It’s almost comical to think about it. When Hillary was forced to tell her supporters to get behind and support Obama (which she did quite credibly though it had to be eating her alive) she peeled off a good number of quasi-informed Dem voters. The ones who pay little attention to what goes on politically until right before the primaries and still give Obama high marks for running the country.

If Obama runs in 2014 how does she get them back?

How does she destroy Obama if he does run without damaging the Dems and ticking of those that support him?

To bad this soap opera is destroying our nation. A good screenwriter could put out one hell of a movie if the consequences were not so damned serious.


45 posted on 07/24/2010 12:32:52 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Alas Babylon!
It would be far, far better for us if we did go back to the openly partisan coverage of yesteryear.

The problem you describe came about as broadcast media came of age. The timeline is identical. Along about the same time small newspapers were being bought up by large conglomerates. These days small independent newspapers are scarce as hen's teeth. It started first with radio networks. Guys like David Sarnoff at RCA controlled the airwaves. Then, as television came along media was further consolidated into essentially 3 major outlets. People gradually stopped reading newspapers and began getting their news from the "big three". Uncle Walter was born. Eventually, we saw competing newspapers in larger cities, the one semblance of balance in media, fall one by one. The result was as you describe.

The Genie (the Internet) is out of the bottle, though, and the Ivy Leaguer's suddenly don't like it at all. There are now hundreds of sources of information beyond the big networks. The "big three" are losing viewers and listeners at staggering pace and they know it. Listen to all the cat calls to shut down the "new media" and the blogosphere coming out of mainstream media. If they could compete with ideas they would, but they can't. History and facts aren't on their side, hence the charade they've been putting up for decades. If you listen closely you'll hear the big media tell you exactly who threatens them the most......

46 posted on 07/25/2010 5:31:58 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Brytani
Let’s hope Chelsea doesn’t decide to pick up the mantle of her parents - one generation of marxist Clinton’s has been ENOUGH!!!

We had heard she was going to study medicine when she entered Stanford, be a cardiologist (helpful to Billy Jeff it would have been, eh?), but she did not follow on that, I know she changed majors, course of study. I don't recall at the mo', Poly Sci or Law, I think it was Law. Something tells me she is looking toward living off the taxpayers the same as the grifters.

47 posted on 07/25/2010 5:48:07 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Brytani

Yep...and it will be interesting to watch what happens if the PUMAs and the Obama cultists collide again. The PUMAs are much smarter about Obama’s minions and their tactics than they were in ‘08.

At this point, I have no idea with whom I would place my money.

Right now it’s Obama + 1...simply because he and his community organizing union thugs blindsided her last go around.

This time, I think I will be popping popcorn...


48 posted on 07/26/2010 12:44:07 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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