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Could Donald Trump be secretly setting the Ground Zero Mosque up for an eminent domain defeat?
Hillbuzz ^ | 09/10/10 | Hillbuzz

Posted on 09/09/2010 11:12:29 PM PDT by American Dream 246

Go ahead and laugh at him, the way Gotham City laughs at the playboy antics of Bruce Wayne, and yes, his hair is more ridiculous and hard to believe than Charlie Crist’s marriage to novelty-products heiress Carole Rome, but Donald Trump is every so (not-often-enough) often Batman under all that bluster.

He’s offering to buy out some of the Muslim investors in the property they want to build the Ground Zero Victory Mosque on. He’s offering 25% above the actual value of the land.

The Muslims will refuse, because the front company Islam setup for this conquest monument, Cordoba House, SPECIFICALLY chose this land after careful study because parts of the hijacked planes crashed through the Burlington Coat Factory that was standing on this site and caused the building to become available for sale. To build the Victory Mosque, they need land that was scarred on 9/11…and this property met that obligation. Islam always builds a mosque on land that was conquered in a battle. Plane wreckage hitting a Burlington Coat Factory, to Islam, is like Americans planting flags on the moon or raising Old Glory over Iwo Jima. They need land that is stained with blood, where they have “planted their flag”, for the Victory Mosque project to mean what Islam wants it to symbolize in the Middle East.

We think Trump wants them to refuse.

We also think Trump’s going to propose a hotel for the site…and will then make an eminent domain appeal in court to take that land from the Muslims, after giving them this chance to be bought out. According to the recent supreme court ruling Kelo v. City of New London, authored by Justice Stevens, the government can take property away from private individuals if they have a plan that can build something there that will make more money for the government…because that is in the greater public good.

The Ground Zero Victory Mosque would be a non-tax generating building.

If Trump puts a hotel there, then that business would generate all SORTS of taxes for New York City and state: payroll taxes, business operating taxes, food and beverage taxes, hotel room taxes, taxi cab taxes, taxety-tax-tax taxes, you name it.

A further argument could be made that the Ground Zero Victory Mosque would dampen development in the neighborhood, while a hotel would draw new businesses there, resulting in even more revenue for the city and state at that location.

The state of New York has offered the Muslims land away from Ground Zero to build whatever the Hell they want — but they are refusing because the Victory Mosque MUST be built on the blood and bones of dead Americans, on land that was occupied by a building hit during the attack. They won’t willingly give up that land, because it defeats the purpose of what they are trying to do with this.

Trump’s an under-the-radar genius for doing this. We’ve been hoping he’d step into the fray.

But, we also hoped New York would listen to him nine years ago when immediately after the Twin Towers were taken out, he called for their rebuilding, bigger and stronger and taller than ever, so that Islam would, in just a few years, see New York’s skyline restored as if the attacks had never happened. You knock us down, we get right back up again.

But, that’s unfortunately not what happened. Nine years later, Ground Zero is still a gaping hole in the ground, with nothing built there, and in many ways it feels that Islam has won. You are seemingly not able to criticize Islam in the slightest, though we are supposed to have free speech in this country. You are not allowed to draw pictures of Muhammad’s face, though Muslims are allowed to behead anyone they believe offends them. You are not allowed to challenge Islam on anything, but Muslims are allowed to call for the deaths of anyone who does not agree with them.

Every time something evil Islam does is reported on, it must be couched in copious, flowery terms about how wonderful the “Religion of Peace” really is and how all Muslims are really good at heart, but are just misunderstood Care Bears that sometimes get grumpy. And you are a bigot and an Islamophobe and a racist and probably a leprechaun because you will not just shut up and allow Muslims to murder, threaten, torture, and terrorize people in peace.

It’s just what Democrats allowed the Ku Klux Klan to do to this country for decades, behind their similar veils and sheets, with threats unveiled and weapons always drawn, locked, and loaded.

It’s high time the West stopped appeasing Muslims and started drawing lines in the sand that demanded Islam accommodate itself to Western civil society — where we don’t murder people we disagree with, no matter how many drawings they make that they don’t like or how many pulled pork sandwiches they eat — instead of the West constantly having to alter the way we live, think, and act so that we don’t offend those thin-skinned, paranoid, lunatic Care Bears.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: donaldtrump; eminentdomain; groundzeromosque; islam; kelo; military; muslims; nymosque; obama; palin; propertyrights; religion; sharia; terrorism; thedonald; trump; trump2012; usflag

1 posted on 09/09/2010 11:12:31 PM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

shhhh...its a secret..


2 posted on 09/09/2010 11:14:48 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert

just fun if it scares them...


3 posted on 09/09/2010 11:16:24 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: American Dream 246
Somebody at Hillbuzz has entirely way too much time on their hands. The case was Kelo v. City of New London. Why was the City of New London named in the suit? Because the city (the government) is who asserted the right of eminent domain. Individuals, like Trump, can't assert eminent domain. They - according to Kelo - may only be the beneficiaries of such an assertion by the government. BIG difference.

Trump would have to find a Mayor (I believe Mayor in the NYC government system, some other cities it might be a city manager who asserts ED) that would be sympathetic to Trump. I have better chance of being crowned King of England than Trump has of Bloomberg helping him assert eminent domain.

4 posted on 09/09/2010 11:18:24 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: American Dream 246

The CFR Imam
http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach/religioninitiative/advisory_board.html

The Rockefeller mosque
http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html

Average ordinary Muslims around the world are smart enough to not want the Ground Zero Mosque.

Unquestioned Fact - Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations’ Religious Advisory Committee. This is a link to the CFR list of members of that Committee.

This crazy, extremist Muslim is a member of CFR. Maybe it’s not the Muslims, it’s the globalists pulling some stunt for some reason we don’t know.


5 posted on 09/09/2010 11:23:24 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: OldDeckHand

Why do you spoil the fun??? And BTW Trump has very long arms if he really really wants to...


6 posted on 09/09/2010 11:23:59 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: American Dream 246

Great job by Hill Buzz. Those guys are smart and they get it.

Everyone on FR should read this so they might stop posting crap like:

1. O is stupid. No he is a Saudi mole. His goal is to destroy America.

2. He is an atheist. No he is a muslim. Deception is used all the time by Islam.

3. The Saudis are our friends/allies. Some idiot actually posted that to me on FR.

If The Donald pulls this off - he will be a major hero.

Bloomberg will try to stop it because he has multi billion deals for fianncial news and data for islamic stock markets.


7 posted on 09/09/2010 11:24:18 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: American Dream 246

“The Ground Zero Victory Mosque would be a non-tax generating building.”

The area already has more than enough mosques, too ...


8 posted on 09/09/2010 11:25:02 PM PDT by jessduntno (Flush the Grand Old Potty. Change it top to bottom. Conservatives only.)
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To: American Dream 246

A comment on Hillbuzz: Gov Paterson is the one who might be prepared to go that route if given the opportunity. He is the one who offered them land elsewhere.


9 posted on 09/09/2010 11:26:34 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: truthfreedom

The answer is Saudi and UAE money aka petro dollars. Trillions of them. You can buy anything and anyone including the white hut.

I am amazed how so many people here are incapable of connecting the dots.


10 posted on 09/09/2010 11:27:35 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: American Dream 246
If The Donald pulls this off - he will be a major hero.

You bet. And he is gotta LOVE it! Go Trump!
11 posted on 09/09/2010 11:28:31 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: Frantzie
Great job by Hill Buzz. Those guys are smart and they get it.
Everyone on FR should read this so they might stop posting crap like:
1. O is stupid. No he is a Saudi mole. His goal is to destroy America.
2. He is an atheist. No he is a muslim. Deception is used all the time by Islam.
3. The Saudis are our friends/allies. Some idiot actually posted that to me on FR.
If The Donald pulls this off - he will be a major hero.
Bloomberg will try to stop it because he has multi billion deals for fianncial news and data for islamic stock markets..

Agree with all your points

12 posted on 09/09/2010 11:31:09 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: Frantzie

No, actually, it’s the Rockefellers.

I would like to see your links.

I have links.

Cordoba is a partner with ASMA
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners
That’s from Cordoba’s very own website

Rauf is the founder of ASMA
http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_people.html
that’s ASMAs website

ASMA contributors include 3 different Rockefeller groups
http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html
Again, from ASMAs website.

This is some weird glozi trick.


13 posted on 09/09/2010 11:32:50 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Frantzie; FARS; All

Perhaps Trump could help them find another property that costs even more. That way they could do an IRS 1031 (Starker) exchange and avoid paying any capital gains tax on their profit. Trump would know how to put together such a deal. If they did not go for it, and the chief investor has said it’s “just business”, then their ulterior motives would certainly be very apparent.

I was not at all happy with Kelo, especially as it pertains to people’s homes. “A man’s home is his castle.” So I hate to see it employeed in any situation, thus giving it strength agains all us homeowners.

I just heard yesterday that the Saudis have let Israel know that they will not be all that upset if Israel decides to take out the Iranian nukes. Apparently they have given Israel overflight permission for the trip. There are as many forms of Muslim belief/practice as there are Christian. Sunnis (Wahabi subset the most fanatical), Shiites, Alawis, Sufis, various forms in southeast asia, etc. It is the Saudi financing of Wahabi madrassas all over the place that has given Muslims such a fanatical impetus and bad name. This sect arose in the poorest most backward part of Saudi Arabia several hundred years ago. Frankly where there are Wahabi based schools in the US and other Western countries, they should be carefully watched. If they are teaching things like armed jihad, suicide bombing, and related violence, they should be arrested for “contributing to the delinquency of minors.”


14 posted on 09/09/2010 11:43:41 PM PDT by gleeaikin (question authority)
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To: American Dream 246

Ya never know!


15 posted on 09/09/2010 11:47:35 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: American Dream 246

Why do these people support Hillary?

Cognitive dissonance?

She is no different than Obama (just shrewder).


16 posted on 09/09/2010 11:56:39 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: American Dream 246
Bloomberg will NEVER let that happen!

he knows that his bread is buttered in the EAST!!!

17 posted on 09/09/2010 11:59:05 PM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: truthfreedom
I'm really surprised to see •Danny Kaye & Sylvia Fine Foundation here
18 posted on 09/10/2010 12:01:09 AM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: streetpreacher
Why do these people support Hillary?

HillBuzz? They don't.

They're solid supporters of Sarah Palin.

19 posted on 09/10/2010 12:02:51 AM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: OldDeckHand

How about Gov. Patterson? Is he the type who might lend a hand on eminent domain?


20 posted on 09/10/2010 12:03:39 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: streetpreacher
Why do these people support Hillary?

"These people" don't support Hilary anymore - they are all for Palin. They are great, honest guys who realized how democrats hurt their country. They had the courage to see it and admit it and now, they are full speed ahead for Sarah. Read their blog regularly. They are very interesting and again, very honest in their way of thinking.

21 posted on 09/10/2010 12:07:54 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: American Dream 246

This is poorly written, inane speculation. No content here, folks, move along.


22 posted on 09/10/2010 12:08:37 AM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: onyx

I never thought of Danny Kaye as sinister.


23 posted on 09/10/2010 12:10:39 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: American Dream 246
How about Gov. Patterson? Is he the type who might lend a hand on eminent domain?

May be. At least he is the only one who had the gutts to offer another location, meaning that he seems to be the only politician in NY to say outloud that he does not like the idea of the mosque at that location.
24 posted on 09/10/2010 12:11:21 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: streetpreacher
We’re going to try to cover the Des Moines Reagan Dinner speech by Sarah Palin

We want to gauge, especially, how much influence the Romney Guys have on the ground…and what Governor Palin can do to thwart them, and the RNC, in their efforts to keep her from winning the GOP nomination.

Palin/West 2012. Our dream ticket…what our hearts want…

We were lifelong Democrats until two years ago, but doubt we’ll ever vote for a Democrat again. We just don’t trust them in office, and don’t believe they care about what’s best for the country. So, it pains us to say this, but we doubt Hillary Clinton will ever be president, as much as we’d love her to be. We think she knows this too, and if anything might try to challenge President Palin in 2016.

25 posted on 09/10/2010 12:14:48 AM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: American Dream 246

Lets hope so. Trump is a good man, living proof that not all “rich people” are self-centered.


26 posted on 09/10/2010 12:16:59 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: truthfreedom

Danny and Sylvia Fine Kay are both deceased. I am really surprised to see their foundation listed, because I know their daughter, Dena Kaye, and if she’s in charge of the foundation, then she’s radically changed since I last saw her.


27 posted on 09/10/2010 12:18:45 AM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: American Dream 246

Too bad you didn’t excerpt the article. The title didn’t fit into the space allowed and the graphic made the column all the more ‘fun.’


28 posted on 09/10/2010 12:20:51 AM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: streetpreacher
She is no different than Obama (just shrewder)

Uhm, that would be to ignore who is PRESIDENT and who was packed in a jet and shuffled off as Secretary of State. So who was/is really the shrewder-(ed) one given those current facts of life?
29 posted on 09/10/2010 12:25:35 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: truthfreedom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YhTKiFEMAg


30 posted on 09/10/2010 12:30:28 AM PDT by mkjessup (0bama has LESS experience than did Jimmy Carter, guess how THIS train wreck is gonna turn out, eh?)
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To: onyx
What a hoot that link is. One of the members of ASMA is "Global Fund for Women"!!

Yet those enlightened women would all be just second class slaves if those ROP muzzi's had total Sharia control they want!! The utter stupidity is just mind blowing.
31 posted on 09/10/2010 12:31:28 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: jessduntno

And there’s that whole disposition of 6 floors that have no designation in the plan. Or the city block buildings in between the mosque and Ground Zero....that might come up for sale someday. Somehow.

We’re gonna watch the ‘Ground Zero Victory Mosque’ as it’s called in the Arab blogs & street doing its part to create Aya Cordoba where New York once stood. And have its altar or ‘mihrab’ face Mecca dead on, just like the Flight 93 crescent. Hagia Sophia covers a whole lotta territory.

The ‘community center’ status is going to get federal funds to get the thing built, too. And we’re gonna pay the developer some kind of poll tax up the waugh, too, from what I hear. Jizya. In your face Islamic attack and demand for payment = hostile act of conquest, backed by this ‘Administration’ at the local, state and national level. With media complicity.

“For God. The Cid. And Spain.” We need El Cid. Now. This human bullfight, waged politically and with buildings, is a dance of cultural death if I ever saw one. I say to the Muslims, Lan Astaslem (I will not submit).


32 posted on 09/10/2010 12:32:41 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: onyx

It took me three minutes to confirm, just out of curiosity, that Dena Kaye is indeed the president of her father’s foundation. I guess attending her junior high two years below her wasn’t sufficient to allow you to predict her future career, huh?


33 posted on 09/10/2010 12:35:28 AM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: American Dream 246
The Ground Zero Victory Mosque would be a non-tax generating building.

If Trump puts a hotel there, then that business would generate all SORTS of taxes for New York City and state: payroll taxes, business operating taxes, food and beverage taxes, hotel room taxes, taxi cab taxes, taxety-tax-tax taxes, you name it. (Giggle)

A further argument could be made that the Ground Zero Victory Mosque would dampen development in the neighborhood, while a hotel would draw new businesses there, resulting in even more revenue for the city and state at that location.

I LOVE IT!!! Of course, an earlier poster pointed out that individuals likely cannot assert Emminent Domain claims, but I think the lure of "taxety-tax-tax-taxes" may serve as a powerful incentive...

34 posted on 09/10/2010 3:42:25 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (Help keep Michigan working! Post your tagline here. Reasonable rates! Call for details)
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To: OldDeckHand
*** the city (the government) is who asserted the right of eminent domain. Individuals, like Trump, can't assert eminent domain. ***

Thank you.
You saved me a lot of time.

35 posted on 09/10/2010 4:47:03 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: truthfreedom
there is a bigger agenda with this mosque. The whole state department involvement with him is disturbing, including the promoting of his book. Hillary is big with CFR and globalist agenda.
36 posted on 09/10/2010 5:08:46 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: American Dream 246
George Bush should have nuked Mecca immediately after it was discovered who was behind the Twin Towers attack.

It worked wonders when Harry Truman did it.

37 posted on 09/10/2010 5:52:44 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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